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Is Leopard really worth the wait?

siurpeeman said:
regarding the family pack, not everybody knows 5 people with macs who want to upgrade their os.
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2tallyAwesome said:
Family packs with 5 licenses are usually around $200. Share that with 5 people and it's like $40 a person.
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Just FYI, technically those 5 people need to be in one household. From the Apple Store:

* Family Pack Software License Agreement allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-labeled computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household and used by persons who occupy that same household. By "household" we mean a person or persons who share the same housing unit such as a home, apartment, mobile home or condominium, but shall also extend to student members who are primary residents of that household but residing at a separate on-campus location. This license does not extend to business or commercial users.

Just trying to make sure you're properly informed.:)
 
2tallyAwesome said:
Family packs with 5 licenses are usually around $200. Share that with 5 people and it's like $40 a person.
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Isn't there a requirement that the users of a family pack have to live in the same place. And if these 5 people aren't, isn't it the same as just copying the software without buying it from a legal point of view?
 
Well, the MacBooks out now are nice. But Intel is coming out with a new chipset called Santa Rosa in Spring. March-April'ish. It's a little faster, little cooler. Don't know if it's worth it to wait, but I will be. Hoping there's a new MacBook Pro mini or a better video card in the high end MB. Nothing's for sure though, so you could be waiting 'til June.
 
My thoughts exactly, Leopard isn't that fantastic as far as im concerned. Spaces? (Virtue Desktop), Time Machine? (We already have a networked HDD for backups) BUT i havent seen the whole OS so who knows....
 
Its a tricky decision. the benefits of you waiting are:

Good chance of getting Santa Rosa Intel chips (cooler and faster) +$xxx
iLife 07 +$79
Leopard +$129

Thats a pretty significant saving if you wait, with which you can use to completely max out the Macbook for RAM of HDD
 
I'd wait for Leopard before buying a new machine. Tiger was a disappointment for me (and other users) because none of the upgrades really appealed to me, and it seemed to run slower than 10.3 on my G4 systems. I am looking forward to some bigger changes in OS X 10.5, such as: Time Machine, Boot Camp, Spaces, and FrontRow and PhotoBooth for all machines.
 
Kind of tricky to say if anybody really needs Leopard without knowing what the complete list of features is going to be. Certainly given what we have seen, I think a new Apple user would be quite happy with Tiger (having as it does all those features that Windows users are getting only now with Vista).

From my own point of view...

Leopard Pros-

1. I have a Core 2 Duo MacBook and a Mac Pro. Leopard will be the first "complete" release of OS X for the new Intel machines and I am anticipating some optimizations. Not to say Tiger has been bad on Intel machines. Rossetta had worked well (If you have the memory - which I do). If nothing else, I'll get full 64-bit support for both machines which will be be very useful when Lightwave goes 64-bit (UB version coming soon now - at last).

2. Spotlight. I use Spotlight a lot. I have many documents that have to be searched on when doing research. The improvements shown in Leopard will be very useful for me.

3. Universal Access. The text-to-speech system is something I also use lots in freelance writing. Having the text read back is an excellent way of picking up errors in grammer and punctuation. It also is of use when editing.

4. Time Machine. An "about time" feature that may (or may not) be nice to have. It all depends on how granualr the backups can be made. An ideal situation would be to have a backup of any file I edit made each time it is saved so that I could revert. Even in he most basic form, anything that makes it easy to put in place some form of regular backup would be of some use.

5. Spaces. I've been in the position of needing two (and sometimes 3) displays. Spaces may not be quite as good, but it is also far les expensive and will not require three times the desk space.

6. Mail enhancments. I can see these being something I will use lots. Colaboration on various projects focuses on mail, and the To-Do capability will help keep a track of things.

Cons-

1. Software compatibility. Some software may not work. As I mostly use "the usual suspects" (Office, CS2) I am fairly confident that the apps I need will work however.

errr... That is about it.

So, I can see some compelling reasons for getting Leopard myself. The family pack looks like the way for me to go (in addition to the MacBook and Mac Pro we have an old G4 Mac Mini in the house). I will not be running to install it the week it comes out (well, perhaps I'll toss it onto the MacBook to evaluate).
 
Project said:
Good chance of getting Santa Rosa Intel chips (cooler and faster)
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i don't mean to sound rude, but, um, how long did we have to wait for C2D once Intel had released those? just because the new Santa Rosa chips will be out soon does not mean that Apple will adopt then ASAP. (I hope they do though!:D )

...just a thought.
 
drewby said:
i don't mean to sound rude, but, um, how long did we have to wait for C2D once Intel had released those? just because the new Santa Rosa chips will be out soon does not mean that Apple will adopt then ASAP. (I hope they do though!:D )

...just a thought.
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Im saying by the time Leopard comes out (which is probably going to be late Spring), it will most likely have the Santa Rosa chips in. Several months away yet.
 
USMaC said:
Just FYI, technically those 5 people need to be in one household. From the Apple Store:

* Family Pack Software License Agreement allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-labeled computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household and used by persons who occupy that same household. By "household" we mean a person or persons who share the same housing unit such as a home, apartment, mobile home or condominium, but shall also extend to student members who are primary residents of that household but residing at a separate on-campus location. This license does not extend to business or commercial users.

Just trying to make sure you're properly informed.:)
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Let us all try and be realistic when considering how much that clause effects anyone in the real world. Also don't forget about the giant elephant that's in the room regarding where most of this software ends up anyways (The big P). The bottom line is I belive restrictions like this are put into place with a big fat wink from apple.

I mean...the price could drop considerably if one decided to pursue other options in procuring this software (not that I support this, I'm just saying sharing a family licence is probably not something that apple is really going to care about when faced with other software distribution issues).
 
Wait until the possible release of Leopard on Feb 1st at the rumored special event. I think it is probably that the rumor is true, since Jobs wants to launch Leopard after the wide-release of Vista. Even if Leopard isn't out in early or late February, I would still wait until WWDC, unless you need a computer right now. Who knows, by then you might have more money saved up, and prices could come down, which might enable you to buy one of the new Apple displays that I hope are coming out soon :p
 
2ndPath said:
Isn't there a requirement that the users of a family pack have to live in the same place. And if these 5 people aren't, isn't it the same as just copying the software without buying it from a legal point of view?
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Erm yeah... legal poin of view.

The software publisher conveniently forgot the fact that they just gotten a bit richer, maybe they should just take their terms and conditions up their *** and deal with the real pirates while leaving legit paying customers alone :)
 
2tallyAwesome said:
Let us all try and be realistic when considering how much that clause effects anyone in the real world. Also don't forget about the giant elephant that's in the room regarding where most of this software ends up anyways (The big P). The bottom line is I belive restrictions like this are put into place with a big fat wink from apple.

I mean...the price could drop considerably if one decided to pursue other options in procuring this software (not that I support this, I'm just saying sharing a family licence is probably not something that apple is really going to care about when faced with other software distribution issues).
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So, breaking the rules is OK if it meets certain criteria, even that assumed and not actually known. You have a very bright future in the corporate world, law, government or oragainzed crime (well I guess that is redundant).
 
Ummm yeah actually, that's pretty accurate.

Everything, including right and wrong is subjective. There is a line to draw between supporting a company, and catering to nonsensical regulations designed purely to milk additional funds from hard working people. Sorta like the way apple claims to void their warranty if you place third party components in their products, yet wink and tell you ways to get around that when you bring it in for service.

Sharing the family pack with people who don't live with you isn't piracy. If I wanted to pirate something I would skip all of this and log into a p2p right now.

Let's be realistic.:apple:
 
im in a similar position, ive got the funds to buy a macbook, but i don't really NEED to hav it until october when i go to uni...
whats the chance of macbook updates before then?
 
Chundles said:
Legal Point of View = The Law.

Breaking the law is bad m'kay.
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Apple's EULA does not the law make.
Breaking the terms of a contract does not equate to breaking the law.

Please do not confuse the law and a private contract. A contract of which you never sign and Apple has zero proof of you ever agreeing. An agreement that Apple can change at any time with no recourse to you.

Geez, some people take these EULAs to be worth more than the bits they are encoded on.
 
tshakey said:
im in a similar position, ive got the funds to buy a macbook, but i don't really NEED to hav it until october when i go to uni...
whats the chance of macbook updates before then?
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Until Ocotber there will be an upgrade for sure. Otherwise the Macbook would not have been updated for about a year, which is much, much longer than the standard update times of Macs. I guess until then it will have at least the Santa Rosa chipset and might have some other upgrades as well.
 
Well I am surprised that Apple allows products like OSX and iLife to be installed without a key. I'm glad they trust their customers.
 
tcrab said:
Well I am surprised that Apple allows products like OSX and iLife to be installed without a key. I'm glad they trust their customers.
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Yep. It does not make a big enough difference if the software was installed into all of the whopping 5% of the personal computers that are able to run it.
 
iW00t said:
Apple's EULA does not the law make.
Breaking the terms of a contract does not equate to breaking the law.

Please do not confuse the law and a private contract. A contract of which you never sign and Apple has zero proof of you ever agreeing. An agreement that Apple can change at any time with no recourse to you.

Geez, some people take these EULAs to be worth more than the bits they are encoded on.
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Pretty sure you agree to accept the EULA before you install the software...
 
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