Is Logic dead?

ScottishCaptain

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So this just popped up in my RSS feeds:

http://www.analogindustries.com/b1863/Sandbolloxed/

Likewise, the KVR thread is over here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392159

I really don't know what to make of this. What really freaks me out is this quote:

At some point in the future Logic Pro X will be sandboxed; all Audio Unit plugins and audio hardware will need to be sandbox-safe.
Yeah... uh, I already own several thousand bucks worth of audio hardware (including an ADDA converter that was basically built for Logic), and even more in AU plugins (some of which require hardware dongles). I highly doubt 100% of the stuff I already own is just going to magically be made compatible with the sandbox, since there isn't a whole lot of money in it for the developers.

Is Apple honestly telling us that: A) "security is non-negotiable", and B) they're going to cram everyone into their ****** sandbox technology, totally **** up Logic in the process, and essentially erase any and all backwards compatibility with former AU plugins? What the hell is wrong with these people? I'm already hearing rumours about companies like NI and Spectrasonics potentially dropping support for Logic over this.

Is it time to sell everything Logic related and switch to a more sane DAW?

-SC
 

slayerizer

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So this just popped up in my RSS feeds:

http://www.analogindustries.com/b1863/Sandbolloxed/

Likewise, the KVR thread is over here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392159

I really don't know what to make of this. What really freaks me out is this quote:



Yeah... uh, I already own several thousand bucks worth of audio hardware (including an ADDA converter that was basically built for Logic), and even more in AU plugins (some of which require hardware dongles). I highly doubt 100% of the stuff I already own is just going to magically be made compatible with the sandbox, since there isn't a whole lot of money in it for the developers.

Is Apple honestly telling us that: A) "security is non-negotiable", and B) they're going to cram everyone into their ****** sandbox technology, totally **** up Logic in the process, and essentially erase any and all backwards compatibility with former AU plugins? What the hell is wrong with these people? I'm already hearing rumours about companies like NI and Spectrasonics potentially dropping support for Logic over this.

Is it time to sell everything Logic related and switch to a more sane DAW?

-SC
I don't see why there is a big panic TODAY? sandboxing is a requirement for any apps on the AppStore. Apple should have sandboxed their product before asking other people to do so.

I don't like SB anymore than you do, sandboxing was a pain in the ass in my project.

Apple doesn't listen much to their customers, even if Logic is very good, you can consider using alternative software. I moved away from Aperture for that specific reason.
 

fastlanephil

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Apple does probably have more exposer to that sort of plugin issue with it's GB to Logic Pro for cheap business model. You can always use Vienna Ensemble Pro where your plugins reside ouside of the Logic Pro X host. If apple stopped supporting VE Pro that would be suicidal as it's a industry wide standard.

I'm sure Steinberg and Personus would be happy to fill the void on the OSX side. They both offer an inexpensive entry point and have the resorces to be around for the long haul.
 

zioxide

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How is it "dead"? They just released LPX a few months ago.


Furthermore, how does Apple potentially doing something in the future change any of the software you're running now? Seems like a bunch of whining over speculation.
 

bwhli

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So this just popped up in my RSS feeds:

http://www.analogindustries.com/b1863/Sandbolloxed/

Likewise, the KVR thread is over here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392159

I really don't know what to make of this. What really freaks me out is this quote:



Yeah... uh, I already own several thousand bucks worth of audio hardware (including an ADDA converter that was basically built for Logic), and even more in AU plugins (some of which require hardware dongles). I highly doubt 100% of the stuff I already own is just going to magically be made compatible with the sandbox, since there isn't a whole lot of money in it for the developers.

Is Apple honestly telling us that: A) "security is non-negotiable", and B) they're going to cram everyone into their ****** sandbox technology, totally **** up Logic in the process, and essentially erase any and all backwards compatibility with former AU plugins? What the hell is wrong with these people? I'm already hearing rumours about companies like NI and Spectrasonics potentially dropping support for Logic over this.

Is it time to sell everything Logic related and switch to a more sane DAW?

-SC
Wait until it actually happens before you go selling everything. ;)
 

Leekenn

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Is Logic Dead?

I definitely wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be true, as a moneymaking exercise for the app store more than any other reason - why wouldn't they funnel more of the potential revenue in this industry toward themselves? They did it with music consumers through iTunes, now it's going to happen to the creators.

I think Apples actions nowadays suggest they are more geared toward generating short term profit than maintaining a long term user base. And, in fairness, it's working pretty well for them to say the least. But, unfortunately, we don't play into that business plan, seeing as Macs in general hardly account for any of Apples revenue, and that remaining revenue share is primarily driven by more casual consumers now. Perhaps they're overlooking the fact that professional users, especially the creative industries, are massively influential when it comes to getting other consumers on board with their expensive tech - precisely because those less tech savvy than us know that we see these things for what they are, and no amount of flashy 'it just works' nonsense will sell stuff to us if it doesn't ACTUALLY work.

I hope Apple figures this out in time to save what is arguably one of the best DAWs ever made, but frankly I'm not expecting that to be the case. People are right to say that it's a little early to proclaim the end, but in fairness I expect it to be an accurate prediction.
 

Luap

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So is this sandboxing thing a non issue now, as here it is 2015?
Logic certainly isn't dead, and evidently if Sandboxing is coming, then it's been delayed by quite a while.
All I do know is, Apple has a presence at NAMM and has called upon certain people in the music tech press for a "Logic briefing"
So just maybe we'll get some interesting news regarding Logic over the next few days.

That said, Logic X is working just great as it is for me :cool:
 

accentaudio

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Logic certainly isn't dead, and evidently if Sandboxing is coming, then it's been delayed by quite a while.
All I do know is, Apple has a presence at NAMM and has called upon certain people in the music tech press for a "Logic briefing"
So just maybe we'll get some interesting news regarding Logic over the next few days.

That said, Logic X is working just great as it is for me :cool:
Seriously, a presence at NAMM? Sweet! I was hoping that would be true, and have been wondering if they would be... Nice. Well I hope something fun pops up. I would even be thrilled with a .1 type update that fixes some old lingering bugs...
 

Luap

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Seriously, a presence at NAMM? Sweet! I was hoping that would be true, and have been wondering if they would be... Nice. Well I hope something fun pops up. I would even be thrilled with a .1 type update that fixes some old lingering bugs...
I'd be very surprised if they have a stand there.. But they are definitely there in some capacity, and have requested to meet with certain music tech journo's.
Which while initially not sounding that exciting, it's an unusual thing for Apple to do, so hopefully there is something of interest going on there :)
 

Luap

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That explains the Logic briefing at Namm then ;)

So.. Wheres the Sandboxing?? :rolleyes:
 

ScottishCaptain

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Sandboxing is dead.

The OS X sandbox is too limited to accommodate an application like Logic. From what I've heard, they scrapped the plans after they realized it would be the death of the product and haven't bothered doing anything since.

It'd be really neat if Apple stopped assuming that every application was a word processor and actually built some sandboxing tech that didn't limit applications in completely arbitrary and annoying ways.

-SC
 

DougTheImpaler

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If any audio software is unaware that its days are numbered, IMO, it's Pro Tools. Yes, yes, studio industry standard and all that, I get it, but Avid is working very hard to kill it. Their new "rental" pricing structure is completely absurd. Even "persistent" licenses are subject to "support plans" and annual fees. Adobe could do it because there's really no competition for the deep integration among the Creative Cloud toolset. Avid is not in such a position with competition from Logic, Studio One, Cubendo, Reason, Reaper, Sonar, etc, etc, etc.
 

fuchsdh

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If any audio software is unaware that its days are numbered, IMO, it's Pro Tools. Yes, yes, studio industry standard and all that, I get it, but Avid is working very hard to kill it. Their new "rental" pricing structure is completely absurd. Even "persistent" licenses are subject to "support plans" and annual fees. Adobe could do it because there's really no competition for the deep integration among the Creative Cloud toolset. Avid is not in such a position with competition from Logic, Studio One, Cubendo, Reason, Reaper, Sonar, etc, etc, etc.
Avid itself is in a rather poor financial situation. Having Pro Tools and Media Composer isn't doing them much good, apparently, and any moves they make to try and right the ship risk only angering the customers they still have. That said they don't have much debt and still have money in the bank so they're not done for.
 

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