Is MacBook Pro 2018 a failure?

[pitchblack73]

imo, the i9 in the MacBook Pro is pointless and a waste of money. I couldn't be happier that i returned it.

The i5 quad in the 13" tho, it's amazing. I can work in logic without fans ramping up.
the i9 was ramping up the fans in fear when you touched it.

The pre-Vega i9 is a waste of money. The i9 combined with the Vega 16 or 20 has much better thermals therefore almost no throttling the i9 stays always ahead of the i7. But not much only about 9-10% or so.....
[doublepost=1549462317][/doublepost]I have a late-2013 MacBook Pro which more or less died last march, it throttles a lot, CPU ist always almost at 100 °C, Fans are spinning on full power. I try to clean and repaste is but it was no use.
I wait to update since 2016. I tried the first Gen Touchbar 15” MacBook Pro but give it back after a week, it was much worse then my old late-2013. Since my MBP died I used a Thinkpad X1 Carbon - which also has his fair share off issues and since about 2 months am iPad Pro 11 with Smart Keyboard.

Now its time to upgrade...... on the table are:

- 12.9” iPad Pro
- 15” Late-2018 MacBook Pro (i7 or i9, 16 or 32 GB, 1TB, Vega 16 or 20)
- 13” Mid-2018 MacBook Pro (i7, 16 GB, 1TB)

Money isn’t the matter - usually isn’t anyway if you buy Apple stuff - the office will pay for it. Next week we can order with good discount - 15% on Macs - 13% on iPad Pro’s

Just the really hard decision what to do....?

 

[MacDonaldTrump]

It didn't seem to drop much on the intel monitor, lowest was 2.95. Not really sure what these scores mean

 

[Thysanoptera]

View attachment 820285 It didn't seem to drop much on the intel monitor, lowest was 2.95. Not really sure what these scores mean

Damn it, 4 seconds faster than my 2.2/555x. 0.9% more rays/s.

In other words your machine works fine, that’s all you can get, i9 or not.

 

[pitchblack73]

[QUOTE="MacDonaldTrump, post: 27070583, member: 1156561"It didn't seem to drop much on the intel monitor, lowest was 2.95. Not really sure what these scores mean [/QUOTE]

That’s what I’m telling, the Vega die has a much smaller footprint the memory is on-die and both are cooled with the CPU heatpipe. Vega 16 and 20 both runs cooler then the AMD 5xx... therefore everything stays a bit cooler and the i9 don’t throttle a hard as before.

 

[Queen6]

It didn't seem to drop much on the intel monitor, lowest was 2.95. Not really sure what these scores mean

You certainly don't have any issues with your Mac, they are what they are. You'll never see the best the i9 CPU can deliver, equally nor will any Windows notebook with a similar design philosophy. Shorter time, higher numbers of Ray's more performant the system is.

Certainly don't fall into the trap of it running too hot and not performing as it's pretty much up there for an i9 MBP. If you upload your results to Corona your MBP will be 5th/6th fastest

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Damn it, 4 seconds faster than my 2.2/555x. 0.9% more rays/s.

Grins evilly, unlatches Turbo Power Limits 00:02:41.39, 3.91GHz, 3,011,040 Ray's, there's more to come as 8750H can push as hard as 00:02:37.67 & 3,082,120 Ray's

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[Thysanoptera]

That’s what I’m telling, the Vega die has a much smaller footprint the memory is on-die and both are cooled with the CPU heatpipe. Vega 16 and 20 both runs cooler then the AMD 5xx... therefore everything stays a bit cooler and the i9 don’t throttle a hard as before.

No, just no on both counts. Vega 20 generates 40% more heat than 560x when loaded, and smaller die makes it more difficult to transfer heat, you need higher temperature gradient in such case.

 

[pitchblack73]

No, just no on both counts. Vega 20 generates 40% more heat than 560x when loaded, and smaller die makes it more difficult to transfer heat, you need higher temperature gradient in such case.

Vega is at least two generations newer then 5xx which is nothing else then a rebranded 4xx. Newer generation usually means more efficient and smaller architecture. The RAM on the 5xx was is not covered by the headpipe. On the Vega the die with the memory is covered by the heatpipe.

Even if your statement hold’s up in theory it’s a fact that the Vega MacBook Pro stays cooler then with the prior GPU. Maybe Apple did some improvement on an other part we don’t know yet.

 

[Thysanoptera]

Vega is at least two generations newer then 5xx which is nothing else then a rebranded 4xx. Newer generation usually means more efficient and smaller architecture. The RAM on the 5xx was is not covered by the headpipe. On the Vega the die with the memory is covered by the heatpipe.

Even if your statement hold’s up in theory it’s a fact that the Vega MacBook Pro stays cooler then with the prior GPU. Maybe Apple did some improvement on an other part we don’t know yet.

Yes, Vega is more power efficient, it is 60% faster than rx560 but consumes 40% more power. It is more power efficient but is configured with TDP of 50W compared to 35W on rx560, that’s it.
We’ve been doing some tests here on forum, when you equalize the fans my 555x is 30C cooler than Vega while running benchmarks. It has to be, its only 30W.

 

[MacDonaldTrump]

I ran it again as the other one wouldn't let me submit. Submitted this one under the same username, I couldn't seem to filter the benchmark results to just Mac? Had no idea which page my results uploaded to.

 

[fokmik]

Now its time to upgrade...... on the table are:

- 12.9” iPad Pro
- 15” Late-2018 MacBook Pro (i7 or i9, 16 or 32 GB, 1TB, Vega 16 or 20)
- 13” Mid-2018 MacBook Pro (i7, 16 GB, 1TB)

Money isn’t the matter

So buy all of them..like i do i love to have all of the products and take with me whichever i need

 

[Ploki]

The pre-Vega i9 is a waste of money. The i9 combined with the Vega 16 or 20 has much better thermals therefore almost no throttling the i9 stays always ahead of the i7. But not much only about 9-10% or so.....

debatable, multicore performance is still not much better than it was, and it still runs pretty hot.
the i9/560X just doesn't feel right...

in any case, i'm super happy with the 13" i5, much more than the i9/560x/32GB/2TB that went back.

not to mention the whole hodgepodge vega additional upgrade was a sloppy launch. (and that flag in the firmware that allowed VRMs to throttle. jesus)

 

[Queen6]

I ran it again as the other one wouldn't let me submit. Submitted this one under the same username, I couldn't seem to filter the benchmark results to just Mac? Had no idea which page my results uploaded to. View attachment 820299

You search user results by CPU type, you should be pleased your MBP is the strongest of the i9 MBP's listed You can spot the Mac's as they don't register the CPU frequency. Yours is at #21, #28 & #29

#21 nice run

Cracking 300K Rays is the challenge

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