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I have been using apple computers since 1988. OS15 is like it was written by a Windows team who were set on destroying Apple from within.
You used to be able to set start up and shutdown times by clicking on the light bulb in System Preferences. Now you need to know how to type code in terminal.

Obsesive passwords everywhere. I used to have an Apple hard drive ikon on the top right of the screen that I could click on and - wallah all of your folders wre there. I may find a way to fix this but have not yet.

In mail the background fonts are too feint and there seems a need for the screen to look chique at the expense of functionality.

The iMac I am using is the latest 24 inch Apple M3. Its fast but complex. Simplicity was the reason for Apples success. I sense that compromise of the base computer is to meet the needs of things like iPhones and ipads etc. The saying that applies is Jack of all trades and master of none.
 
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It's better than Sonoma was for me - Stage Manager now works for me, in ways that it didn't on Sonoma - so, no, it's not even close to a disaster. In fact I haven't discovered any bugs that affect me at all.
 
Every new macOS is a disaster - for some. (You can look it up and verify that this is true.) Why? Because people do not like change.

My "disaster" was in Mail. I couldn't send messages until I went into my account in Settings and changed the address. For some reason, it had been populated with an online-based address that I use instead of my iCloud.com address. I'm sure there's an explanation for this, but it's way over my head. It works now; that's what matters.
 
You used to be able to set start up and shutdown times by clicking on the light bulb in System Preferences. Now you need to know how to type code in terminal.
There are few reasons why people would need to shut down their Macs. Just run a good surge protector and keep it on.

I used to have an Apple hard drive ikon on the top right of the screen that I could click on and - wallah all of your folders wre there. I may find a way to fix this but have not yet.
Finder > Settings > Show these items on the desktop: √ Hard disks √ External disks √ CDs, DVDs and iPods
In mail the background fonts are too feint and there seems a need for the screen to look chique at the expense of functionality.
I use the free email app: Thunderbird. Although I'm sure there are font/visibility settings for Apple Mail somewhere.
 
I have been using apple computers since 1988. OS15 is like it was written by a Windows team who were set on destroying Apple from within.
You used to be able to set start up and shutdown times by clicking on the light bulb in System Preferences. Now you need to know how to type code in terminal.

Obsesive passwords everywhere. I used to have an Apple hard drive ikon on the top right of the screen that I could click on and - wallah all of your folders wre there. I may find a way to fix this but have not yet.

In mail the background fonts are too feint and there seems a need for the screen to look chique at the expense of functionality.

The iMac I am using is the latest 24 inch Apple M3. Its fast but complex. Simplicity was the reason for Apples success. I sense that compromise of the base computer is to meet the needs of things like iPhones and ipads etc. The saying that applies is Jack of all trades and master of none.
To me new MacOS releases are some extra work, some new adaptions, not disasters.

... the complaints about new releases are real disasters .....
;JOOP!
 
I upgraded to 15.2 from whatever my MBA was running before (i don't upgrade very often so it was probably an early 14 release). Can't say there has been much change really.
 
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the only reason I downgrade from 15.1 to 14.7 is my HP wireless printer can not work on MACOS 15, otherthan that, it seems OK for me.
 
I've had big time issues, particularly with Adobe Creative Cloud and Photoshop.
Before all this, Photoshop worked fine, but now I get a GPU message that I never got before.
I have a Mac Mini M1 and trying to download legitmate software, like Affinity Photo 2, sheesh
 
I've had big time issues, particularly with Adobe Creative Cloud and Photoshop.
Before all this, Photoshop worked fine, but now I get a GPU message that I never got before.
I have a Mac Mini M1 and trying to download legitmate software, like Affinity Photo 2, sheesh
i love affinity photo, but one of my collabs is running CC apps on her new imac without issue, and seems others here on the forum are ok with it as well. start a thread here, get into specifics... and perhaps the forum can help.
 
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I have been using apple computers since 1988. OS15 is like it was written by a Windows team who were set on destroying Apple from within.
You used to be able to set start up and shutdown times by clicking on the light bulb in System Preferences. Now you need to know how to type code in terminal.

Obsesive passwords everywhere. I used to have an Apple hard drive ikon on the top right of the screen that I could click on and - wallah all of your folders wre there. I may find a way to fix this but have not yet.

In mail the background fonts are too feint and there seems a need for the screen to look chique at the expense of functionality.

The iMac I am using is the latest 24 inch Apple M3. Its fast but complex. Simplicity was the reason for Apples success. I sense that compromise of the base computer is to meet the needs of things like iPhones and ipads etc. The saying that applies is Jack of all trades and master of none.
I have no difficulties with Affinity and Sequoia. I have no difficulties with sequoia at all, besides their brand new Passwords app needing some improvement.
 
I have been using apple computers since 1988. OS15 is like it was written by a Windows team who were set on destroying Apple from within.
You used to be able to set start up and shutdown times by clicking on the light bulb in System Preferences. Now you need to know how to type code in terminal.

Obsesive passwords everywhere. I used to have an Apple hard drive ikon on the top right of the screen that I could click on and - wallah all of your folders wre there. I may find a way to fix this but have not yet.

In mail the background fonts are too feint and there seems a need for the screen to look chique at the expense of functionality.

The iMac I am using is the latest 24 inch Apple M3. Its fast but complex. Simplicity was the reason for Apples success. I sense that compromise of the base computer is to meet the needs of things like iPhones and ipads etc. The saying that applies is Jack of all trades and master of none.

It's better than Monterey and Ventura and a marginal bit less glitchy than Sonoma (though Sonoma was a big improvement over Monterey and Ventura), albeit much more sluggish on bare minimum system requirements Intel Macs than Sonoma was. I noticed no significant sluggishness on my MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) running Sonoma; though I totally feel it on Sequoia. Can only surmise that Apple is caring less and less about Intel performance before finally ditching x86-64 for good. Then again, of the Intel Mac notebooks that are still supported, you are naturally hamstrung by insufficient thermal headroom on anything with a butterfly keyboard.


no, it's not a disaster. some things change, many get better... some things change that you don't like. and life goes on.

I love how you allow for the possibility for many things to get better, and for there to be changes that people don't like, but not for the possibility that things actually get worse. As though Apple is objectively incapable of making anything worse from version to version and that any perceived degradation is entirely subjective and merely someone else's opinion. 🤣 :rolleyes:


we see these kinds of posts with EVERY version of the OS (and am sure we'll see it with OS16 ad finitum)... 🤔
Don't you mean ad infinitum?
 
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I love how you allow for the possibility for many things to get better, and for there to be changes that people don't like, but not for the possibility that things actually get worse. As though Apple is objectively incapable of making anything worse from version to version and that any perceived degradation is entirely subjective and merely someone else's opinion. 🤣 :rolleyes:



Don't you mean ad infinitum?
yes, thanks for the fix (ad infinitum). i can't type on my phone 🙄

in my humble observations, things basically do get better, altho some changes annoy some people. but if the overall situation changes in the future, i'll be happy to express my own annoyance.

these posts happen with each new OS, and it's tiresome.

anyway, for me, here, OS 15 is running beautifully. others may have less-stellar experiences, and could easily create a thread to ask for help, and discuss. better than whining or ranting (and that too is only my opinion). 🧘
 
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Define disaster. Else, fans would find defense angles if using it killed people and anti-fans would find attack angles if using it cured major diseases.

Basically, some things get better, some worse, some things evolve like the "judge" wishes and other things devolve per that same judge. But then the next judge comes along and sees it differently.

It IS a disaster for those who judge it as such. It IS the greatest OS ever created for those who judge it as such. And all other judges judge it somewhere in between those extremes.

For you- OP- early (new generation) bugs that might be particularly frustrating you will probably get addressed in future point upgrades.

Disaster is a very strong adjective. A better title might have been "These 3 macOS 15 changes bug me. Help!" Each is probably towards molehill for many (but maybe not for you)... certainly not worthy of a word like "disaster." Else, what word describes the North Carolina hurricane impact and similar? If someone writes up a summary of the World's Worst Disasters, how far down the list would this one appear?
 
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Definite disaster. Else, fans would find defense angles if using it killed people and anti-fans would find attack angles if using it cured major diseases.

Basically, some things get better, some worse, some things evolve like the "judge" wishes and other things devolve per that same judge. But then the next judge comes along and sees it differently.

It IS a disaster for those who judge it as such. It IS the greatest OS ever created for those who judge it as such. And all other judges judge it somewhere in between those extremes.

For you- OP- early (new generation) bugs that might be particularly frustrating you will probably get addressed in future point upgrades.
In other words: automation people are conservative.
;JOOP!
 
Define disaster. Else, fans would find defense angles if using it killed people and anti-fans would find attack angles if using it cured major diseases.

Basically, some things get better, some worse, some things evolve like the "judge" wishes and other things devolve per that same judge. But then the next judge comes along and sees it differently.

It IS a disaster for those who judge it as such. It IS the greatest OS ever created for those who judge it as such. And all other judges judge it somewhere in between those extremes.

For you- OP- early (new generation) bugs that might be particularly frustrating you will probably get addressed in future point upgrades.

Disaster is a very strong adjective. A better title might have been "These 3 macOS 15 changes bug me. Help!" Each is probably towards molehill for many (but maybe not for you)... certainly not worthy of a word like "disaster." Else, what word describes the North Carolina hurricane impact and similar? If someone writes up a summary of the World's Worst Disasters, how far down the list would this one appear?
There was one MacOS release that didn’t work at all with the then-latest version of MS Office. For me, that was a true disaster. I needed Office in order to do my work. The installer and Microsoft didn’t mention that there was an incompatibility. And it wasn’t a minor bug; you couldn’t use any of MS Office Mac at all. They fixed it in a week or two, but I think Apple should have either waited or else wanted users before proceeding with the update.

I get that Apple can’t test every piece of software out there but they should definitely test Office and Adobe Photoshop before releasing an update.
 
There was one MacOS release that didn’t work at all with the then-latest version of MS Office. For me, that was a true disaster. I needed Office in order to do my work. The installer and Microsoft didn’t mention that there was an incompatibility. And it wasn’t a minor bug; you couldn’t use any of MS Office Mac at all. They fixed it in a week or two, but I think Apple should have either waited or else wanted users before proceeding with the update.

I get that Apple can’t test every piece of software out there but they should definitely test Office and Adobe Photoshop before releasing an update.
A good reason to install LibreOffice side-by-side (it will process all Microsoft formats) in case something goes
wrong in the future (at no cost).
In view of the complexity of nowadays software, as a pro you just got to have a plan B software product.
;JOOP!
 
I have been using apple computers since 1988. OS15 is like it was written by a Windows team who were set on destroying Apple from within.
You used to be able to set start up and shutdown times by clicking on the light bulb in System Preferences. Now you need to know how to type code in terminal.

Obsesive passwords everywhere. I used to have an Apple hard drive ikon on the top right of the screen that I could click on and - wallah all of your folders wre there. I may find a way to fix this but have not yet.

In mail the background fonts are too feint and there seems a need for the screen to look chique at the expense of functionality.

The iMac I am using is the latest 24 inch Apple M3. Its fast but complex. Simplicity was the reason for Apples success. I sense that compromise of the base computer is to meet the needs of things like iPhones and ipads etc. The saying that applies is Jack of all trades and master of none.

It's weird that you're claiming it's a rogue Windows dev team causing it, yet if you'd used any modern version of Windows you'd notice that despite some over-simplification of older features (that are gradually being added back in, thankfully) it's actually the exact opposite of your prejudice.

MacOS has been on a downward trend for the last decade. Meanwhile Windows and Linux have crept up and moved ahead in most aspects, especially when it comes to usability and features.

MacOS meanwhile has been adding useless features each year that no one asked for or cared for, with the end goal of making it as close to iOS as possible. Afterall iOS is home to hundreds of millions of people who only use iPhones because they're simple and easy to use. Therefore in order to maximise profit, MacOS should be the same.

Just like iOS, they have in turn neglected to fix long standing bugs and issues, and completely ignored adding much requested ease of use and quality of life features. Heck they recently, and finally, added window snapping to MacOS. Only it doesn't work, and is particularly buggy with Apple's own apps which serves as proof that they just didn't bother or care to test the feature. You're better off turning it off and continuing to use a third party app.

For years now they've also tied the animation when switching desktop spaces to the MBP's 120hz refresh rate. It literally takes DOUBLE the time to complete the animation unless you revert back to 60hz. It's a simple bug that's been around for an age, that many many people have reported. Guess Apple were too busy making VisionOS.

I use a MBP 16" for work but we regularly have to fix/setup W11 devices and Chromebooks. In 2024/25, the Chromebook comes out on top for both simplicity and usability. Everything you need to work efficiently is built into the OS. You lack creative professional apps, but everything else is there. Windows 11 is a close second but will always fall short due to the legacy systems and code that it refuses to let go of. MacOS is a very distant 3rd and if we deployed Linux devices here, it would easily be a distant 4th.

My biggest pet peeve is that we use multiple monitors, and I always have the dock hidden. You CANNOT easily bring the dock up on the external monitors when using a 3rd party mouse. It works perfectly to unhide the dock with the built in trackpad and using a colleagues Magic Mouse, but a peripheral other than Apple's own? No, you need to keep your cursor at the bottom of the screen and hope that it'll take less than 5 seconds to show the dock.

The long term future of Apple is going to be a rough one for anyone who's been with them since the early days. They don't care about you, they simply want to sell more subscriptions to teenagers and the elderly. They are a short term vision company that spoon feeds shareholders every year. The only actual hope you have is if somehow the replacement for Tim Apple doesn't care about counting beans.
 
It's weird that you're claiming it's a rogue Windows dev team causing it, yet if you'd used any modern version of Windows you'd notice that despite some over-simplification of older features (that are gradually being added back in, thankfully) it's actually the exact opposite of your prejudice.

MacOS has been on a downward trend for the last decade. Meanwhile Windows and Linux have crept up and moved ahead in most aspects, especially when it comes to usability and features.

MacOS meanwhile has been adding useless features each year that no one asked for or cared for, with the end goal of making it as close to iOS as possible. Afterall iOS is home to hundreds of millions of people who only use iPhones because they're simple and easy to use. Therefore in order to maximise profit, MacOS should be the same.

Just like iOS, they have in turn neglected to fix long standing bugs and issues, and completely ignored adding much requested ease of use and quality of life features. Heck they recently, and finally, added window snapping to MacOS. Only it doesn't work, and is particularly buggy with Apple's own apps which serves as proof that they just didn't bother or care to test the feature. You're better off turning it off and continuing to use a third party app.

For years now they've also tied the animation when switching desktop spaces to the MBP's 120hz refresh rate. It literally takes DOUBLE the time to complete the animation unless you revert back to 60hz. It's a simple bug that's been around for an age, that many many people have reported. Guess Apple were too busy making VisionOS.

I use a MBP 16" for work but we regularly have to fix/setup W11 devices and Chromebooks. In 2024/25, the Chromebook comes out on top for both simplicity and usability. Everything you need to work efficiently is built into the OS. You lack creative professional apps, but everything else is there. Windows 11 is a close second but will always fall short due to the legacy systems and code that it refuses to let go of. MacOS is a very distant 3rd and if we deployed Linux devices here, it would easily be a distant 4th.

My biggest pet peeve is that we use multiple monitors, and I always have the dock hidden. You CANNOT easily bring the dock up on the external monitors when using a 3rd party mouse. It works perfectly to unhide the dock with the built in trackpad and using a colleagues Magic Mouse, but a peripheral other than Apple's own? No, you need to keep your cursor at the bottom of the screen and hope that it'll take less than 5 seconds to show the dock.

The long term future of Apple is going to be a rough one for anyone who's been with them since the early days. They don't care about you, they simply want to sell more subscriptions to teenagers and the elderly. They are a short term vision company that spoon feeds shareholders every year. The only actual hope you have is if somehow the replacement for Tim Apple doesn't care about counting beans.

for a OS, I want it be more stable instead of be more fasion, same expectation to MACOS.

I have windows notebook too, I keep using windows 10 LTSC instead of windows 11 becuase win10 LTSC is more stable.
 
for a OS, I want it be more stable instead of be more fasion, same expectation to MACOS.

I have windows notebook too, I keep using windows 10 LTSC instead of windows 11 becuase win10 LTSC is more stable.

W10 always will be, it's a mature OS and aside from the few QOL additions and UI updates in W11 it's pretty much all anyone needs.

Sadly most will be forced over to 11 once security updates stop.
 
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W10 always will be, it's a mature OS and aside from the few QOL additions and UI updates in W11 it's pretty much all anyone needs.

Sadly most will be forced over to 11 once security updates stop.

I'd say windows 10 LTSC 2021 is quite stable, more stable than my MACOS 14.X.

I feel Windows 10 equires less HW resources than MACOS too, it's pretty good actually.
 
A good reason to install LibreOffice side-by-side (it will process all Microsoft formats) in case something goes
wrong in the future (at no cost).
In view of the complexity of nowadays software, as a pro you just got to have a plan B software product.
;JOOP!
Not good enough if you’re “the Mac guy” in a Windows enterprise environment, especially if your company uses Outlook/Exchange for email. As I recall, I couldn’t just roll back the system update.

TBH, it was inexcusable for Apple to release a major system update that doesn’t work at all with the currently shipping version of MS Office. That’s just awful QA. I still have no idea how they missed that.
 
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