I am using a NacBook Air M1 on macOS Monterey and all is good. Normally I will wait for a bit till any bugs etc get sorted out with a new OS update. Is this current OS able to work without any issues, or should I just stay with what I currently am using. Thanks for any info.
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Is macOS Ventura 13.2.1 Stable Enough Currently to Update To
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'all the bugs' are never sorted out, it's an endless procession of updates, bug fixes, new bugs... etc. and a lot depends on your hardware, your apps, your settings; there's no one answer for everyone.
if you're going to dive in, you have to confront possibilities; that it will go well, or that there might be an issue somewhere. and then, this forum is the place to be, to get help.
if you want to dive in, back everything up. upgrade when you have time to sort things out (if they need sorting out). good luck, have fun!
if you're going to dive in, you have to confront possibilities; that it will go well, or that there might be an issue somewhere. and then, this forum is the place to be, to get help.
if you want to dive in, back everything up. upgrade when you have time to sort things out (if they need sorting out). good luck, have fun!
Similar thread "Monterey 12.6.3 vs Ventura 13.2.1 - performance on M1" https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/monterey-12-6-3-vs-ventura-13-2-1-performance-on-m1.2380815/
there are similar threads in every forum for every version of the OS... 🤔
Updated on my MacBook Air M2 - no issues
Updated on my iMac 27", 2017, 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 - no issues
Updated on my iMac 27", 2017, 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 - no issues
If there is something on the Ventura feature list that matters to you, then consider updating to it. If there is not, why would you replace what is working for you? Monterey has security updates until 2024.
with that thinking, we'd all still be on jaguar (or whatever).
what OS do you run? and will you stay on it if it's running well, for another year, 2 years, 5, 10 years? 🤔
In my experience that would be a definite NO.
I updated to Ventura last year and had not issues on my 2020 Intel iMac. I literally only use Resolve but I was having an issue with the Network speed capping at 100mbps so I thought I'd upgrade to see if that fixed my issue... which it did, then I updated to the latest build and I had kernel panic after kernel panic, the computer just **** it's pants and was unusable... My only option was to roll back to Monterey which took me two days because it kernel panicked during the OS install and left me with '?' on the screen... I eventually got it to downgrade, but it wasn't a clean install so I had to do it again, totally clean install no Time machine back... Finally got Monterey installed correctly and the machine is now stable...
For balance I have never really been this badly effected by an update and was probably a bit cavalier in my upgrading hast and got bitten. I'm now going to stay on Monterey until I'm forced to upgrade or we have a final version of Ventura
I have Ventura on my MacBook Pro and that's fine... My wife's MacBook Pro occasionally kicks her out of whatever she is doing and lands her at the log in screen, I had this on my iMac as well...
Ventura is not stable in my opinion and if you rely on your computer for work then just stick with Monterey..
I updated to Ventura last year and had not issues on my 2020 Intel iMac. I literally only use Resolve but I was having an issue with the Network speed capping at 100mbps so I thought I'd upgrade to see if that fixed my issue... which it did, then I updated to the latest build and I had kernel panic after kernel panic, the computer just **** it's pants and was unusable... My only option was to roll back to Monterey which took me two days because it kernel panicked during the OS install and left me with '?' on the screen... I eventually got it to downgrade, but it wasn't a clean install so I had to do it again, totally clean install no Time machine back... Finally got Monterey installed correctly and the machine is now stable...
For balance I have never really been this badly effected by an update and was probably a bit cavalier in my upgrading hast and got bitten. I'm now going to stay on Monterey until I'm forced to upgrade or we have a final version of Ventura
I have Ventura on my MacBook Pro and that's fine... My wife's MacBook Pro occasionally kicks her out of whatever she is doing and lands her at the log in screen, I had this on my iMac as well...
Ventura is not stable in my opinion and if you rely on your computer for work then just stick with Monterey..
macOS Ventura is on par with Monterey believe it or not due to it being literally a bug fix update and Settings.
That being said, 13.2.1 is really smooth. 13.2 wasn't really, but 13.2.1 fixes all of the issues that 13.2 introduced.
That being said, 13.2.1 is really smooth. 13.2 wasn't really, but 13.2.1 fixes all of the issues that 13.2 introduced.
I only use computers for business. I normally ALWAYS run one entire version of the OS behind current for stability reasons. Unfortunately, my new MacBook Pro M1 came with Ventura already loaded on it, so I used it.
IMHO Ventura is not yet suitable as a business OS (even running on a MacBook Pro M1). I honestly do not care about "new eye candy" or even all the interactivity with my iPad (Pro).
I have noticed two major and basic computer function-related issues with Ventura (I'm on 13.2.1, but 13.2 and 13.1 had the same issues and there is simply NO excuse for Apple not fixing the first of the two below by now because it's a very basic computer function and doesn't involve 3d party software - and there are posts all over the internet regarding it existing with Ventura).
1) Printer presets simply do not work in any version of Ventura to date and I'm talking about using only an Apple built-in driver for the printer (admittedly a color copier/printer with duplexing, stapling, etc., but at the printer itself, the "default" is B&W, one sided, no staple). It doesn't matter if you remove the printer and re-install it. It doesn't matter if you "Reset the Printing System." It doesn't even matter if you do both of the above and then go to ~/Library/Preferences and delete ever plist file with the string "print" anywhere in its name, restart the computer and then add the printer back using Apple defaults for it. You can save a preset that has color turned off, duplexing turned off, and stapling turned off. The next time you load that preset you may get color, you may not (of course you shouldn't using that preset); you may get duplexing - Ventura really likes to revert to duplexing even when the preset calls for one-sided (I guess politically correct Apple wants to save the planet more than it wants to make an OS that functions at basic levels); but you will NEVER get stapling (even if the preset calls for it) unless you specifically toggle it on, off and back on again in the "finishing" section of the print dialog box itself. This is simply inexcusable. Printing is a basic function of a computer since "lp <filename>".
2) Ventura completely broke the ability of Microsoft "Old" (i.e., real - not pseudo web based, "new") Outlook to be able to have any search ability at all. "Old" outlook works flawlessly on my 2014 Mini on Monterey 12.6 (I can't remember if it's .2 or .3). I would BET this is a product of others saying "Spotlight works much better on Ventura than on Monterey..." That is because "Old / Real" Outlook for Mac has no built in search / find ability but uses an mdimport plugin (/Applications/Microsoft Outlook.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/Microsoft Outlook Spotlight Importer.mdimporter) to interface with Spotlight. This is a classic case of neither of these two MAJOR software / hardware company being willing to talk to each other. Trust me, hours of phone time with senior engineers at both companies regarding this issue makes this obvious. YES, you can use "new" (i.e., not enterprise grade / looks like the web interface in Office 365) Outlook for Mac and it DOES search (because that version of Outlook has it's own search engine built in and does NOT rely on Spotlight). But it is truly not enterprise grade software, is missing countless features contained in "old" Outlook and has the worlds clunkiest interface (unless you love Apple Mail / Apple Contact / Etc on a Mac, and if I did I wouldn't purchase Outlook...).
The next time I have a day or two to waste I'm going to wipe my MacBook Pro M1, and downgrade to Monterey... I already have the USB memory stick installer set up to do so. And BTW, that was the last "suggestion" of the highest Apple senior engineer with whom I've spoken concerning issue 2 above...
IMHO Ventura is not yet suitable as a business OS (even running on a MacBook Pro M1). I honestly do not care about "new eye candy" or even all the interactivity with my iPad (Pro).
I have noticed two major and basic computer function-related issues with Ventura (I'm on 13.2.1, but 13.2 and 13.1 had the same issues and there is simply NO excuse for Apple not fixing the first of the two below by now because it's a very basic computer function and doesn't involve 3d party software - and there are posts all over the internet regarding it existing with Ventura).
1) Printer presets simply do not work in any version of Ventura to date and I'm talking about using only an Apple built-in driver for the printer (admittedly a color copier/printer with duplexing, stapling, etc., but at the printer itself, the "default" is B&W, one sided, no staple). It doesn't matter if you remove the printer and re-install it. It doesn't matter if you "Reset the Printing System." It doesn't even matter if you do both of the above and then go to ~/Library/Preferences and delete ever plist file with the string "print" anywhere in its name, restart the computer and then add the printer back using Apple defaults for it. You can save a preset that has color turned off, duplexing turned off, and stapling turned off. The next time you load that preset you may get color, you may not (of course you shouldn't using that preset); you may get duplexing - Ventura really likes to revert to duplexing even when the preset calls for one-sided (I guess politically correct Apple wants to save the planet more than it wants to make an OS that functions at basic levels); but you will NEVER get stapling (even if the preset calls for it) unless you specifically toggle it on, off and back on again in the "finishing" section of the print dialog box itself. This is simply inexcusable. Printing is a basic function of a computer since "lp <filename>".
2) Ventura completely broke the ability of Microsoft "Old" (i.e., real - not pseudo web based, "new") Outlook to be able to have any search ability at all. "Old" outlook works flawlessly on my 2014 Mini on Monterey 12.6 (I can't remember if it's .2 or .3). I would BET this is a product of others saying "Spotlight works much better on Ventura than on Monterey..." That is because "Old / Real" Outlook for Mac has no built in search / find ability but uses an mdimport plugin (/Applications/Microsoft Outlook.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/Microsoft Outlook Spotlight Importer.mdimporter) to interface with Spotlight. This is a classic case of neither of these two MAJOR software / hardware company being willing to talk to each other. Trust me, hours of phone time with senior engineers at both companies regarding this issue makes this obvious. YES, you can use "new" (i.e., not enterprise grade / looks like the web interface in Office 365) Outlook for Mac and it DOES search (because that version of Outlook has it's own search engine built in and does NOT rely on Spotlight). But it is truly not enterprise grade software, is missing countless features contained in "old" Outlook and has the worlds clunkiest interface (unless you love Apple Mail / Apple Contact / Etc on a Mac, and if I did I wouldn't purchase Outlook...).
The next time I have a day or two to waste I'm going to wipe my MacBook Pro M1, and downgrade to Monterey... I already have the USB memory stick installer set up to do so. And BTW, that was the last "suggestion" of the highest Apple senior engineer with whom I've spoken concerning issue 2 above...
Wow thanks for the heads up about "old" Outlook and search being broken. I have to use that version for work because of offline folders so a broken search would be a complete non-starter.
It's always been fine and this is coming from someone who does an absolute ton on their machine from programming, to 3d graphics work, to games. I've been running it since release.
I also completely disagree with the above poster about not being ready for business use, it's what I use it for including the entire Microsoft office suite.
I also completely disagree with the above poster about not being ready for business use, it's what I use it for including the entire Microsoft office suite.
Stay on Monterey. I just purchased a new M2Pro Mini, and the only think I don't like about it is that I cannot fall back to Monterey. Not that Monterey is all that wonderful, but it's less buggy than Ventura.
Ventura is fine and stable. However, the 13.2.1 update has a known bug that breaks smb, so do not install it if you need to share files between Macs using Apple's file sharing, or if you do Time Machine backups over a network. Those rely on smb and will not work until a fix is released. Other file sharing protocols seem to be unaffected.
Ventura 13.2.1 Breaks file sharing
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Ventura 13.2.1 Breaks file sharing
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I'm using it day to day for work (office stuff, productivity software, lots of graphic design) and it's totally fine and stable for me. I actually think I had more issues with Monterey when it first came out.
My only beef is with how much of a mess System Settings is in Ventura, but thankfully search within that works reasonably well.
My only beef is with how much of a mess System Settings is in Ventura, but thankfully search within that works reasonably well.
Well, I'm sure it was his advice. You're trying to keep running some old-ass version of Office and it was bound to eventually hit some OS update where it wouldn't work anymore. Turns out Ventura is that update ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If you want to run old software, at some point, you have to stop updating your OS. This is nothing new.
It sounds like you have a couple of really specific issues that don't necessarily have bearing on Ventura's general stability or whether or not it's suitable for an office.
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As mentioned above, smb file sharing is a serious problem. Here's another link on these forums.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ventura-today-13-2-file-sharing-now-quit.2378064/
I've not encountered any other issues that make me regret the upgrade to Ventura. There are other bugs, but I can generally work around them.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ventura-today-13-2-file-sharing-now-quit.2378064/
I've not encountered any other issues that make me regret the upgrade to Ventura. There are other bugs, but I can generally work around them.
As a complete Mac one week noob, I've noticed a couple of bugs: sometimes the right side of system settings becomes unresponsive. You can change categories on the left side, but nothing on the right panel will respond to mouse click. Have to restart app
Second, the mouse pointer graphic can lag behind what you're doing. For example, it shows resize pointer even though I've moved away from anything resizable. Sometimes it turns into a plus icon when I'm not pointing at anything applicable. I'm using a standard mouse, not magic mouse or track pad
Not a bug, but i turned off the Ctrl+right/left shortcut to switch spaces because I'm used to using that on windows to go to next prev word in code editor. Now i can't for the life of me find where to switch the short cuts to something else. It's not where the keyboard shortcuts are set. I searches shortcut in settings and went through every entry. Using latest Ventura on M1 mini
Second, the mouse pointer graphic can lag behind what you're doing. For example, it shows resize pointer even though I've moved away from anything resizable. Sometimes it turns into a plus icon when I'm not pointing at anything applicable. I'm using a standard mouse, not magic mouse or track pad
Not a bug, but i turned off the Ctrl+right/left shortcut to switch spaces because I'm used to using that on windows to go to next prev word in code editor. Now i can't for the life of me find where to switch the short cuts to something else. It's not where the keyboard shortcuts are set. I searches shortcut in settings and went through every entry. Using latest Ventura on M1 mini
I want to emphasize the #1 comment from HRoarke above that presets DO NOT WORK. If you are a photographer and need to print using ICC profiles and/or different papers Ventura is a mess. You may end up with double profiling, roll paper instead of sheet and any other setting can be off. To be able to print, I had to reinstall Monterey on a separate hard drive, making sure files were shared between OSs like the image to print, printer profiles, as well as the display profiles.
The push for new features just so Apple can present a new version every year in WWDC need to stop. I mean why should user need to literally stay behind -1 version just to get their computers suitable for business? I mean we are no longer in the early 2000s where Apple and Microsoft were bitter rivals. There's no longer a need to show off how macOS is quicker to iterate than Windows. Both OSes are mature and both companies are relying more on services. Literally nobody is looking at OS versions to see who is "better" nowadays.
