Is Scott Forstall a true engineer/programmer or (just) a manager?

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  1. doug in albq Suspended

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    Is Scott Forstall a true engineer/programmer or (just) a manager?

    Says he "designed" this and that, but this does not really say so much—designed how?—visual designer, programmer, team leader (manager), or what?

    Honest question. spent a bit of time researching this question without any definitive answer.

    Anyone know for sure?

    No doubt about Scott's extreme intelligence and motivation...

    (Please refrain from quoting the typical stuff about him being responsible for this or that, I truly am looking for the actual background of Scott).
     
  2. Bernard SG macrumors 65816

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    Engineer/programmer.

    Did you?

    From Wikipedia:

     
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    did you not read my short and simple post...?

    (Please refrain from quoting the typical stuff about him being responsible for this or that, I truly am looking for the actual background of Scott).

    that wiki does not say much at all.
     
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    A Masters degree in Computer Science says a lot.
     
  5. doug in albq, Oct 17, 2011
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    actually, no it does not.

    i know quite a few "not so smart, or capable people" who graduated with both a BS and Masters in CS...

    EDIT: Honest question with no Ill-intent...maybe I should take the (just) out of the title of this post?

    Is his true strength in wizard-programming-skills, or better as a manager/people person...? Not so many people are great at both.
     
  6. Bernard SG macrumors 65816

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    Do you think Steve Jobs would have kept him around at NeXT first and then at Apple if he wasn't competent?
     
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    never said, or meant to imply that in any way. re-read the entire post again.

    also, to clarify, wizard: genius, expert, master, virtuoso, maestro, marvel, Wunderkind, guru; informal hotshot, demon, whiz kid, buff, pro, ace; maven.
     
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    Did they graduate from Stanford (i.e. one of the top computer science programs in world)?

    At the highest levels of pretty much any major company, "engineers" are managers. It's highly doubtful Forstall does much hands-on engineering, as is to be expected from a high-level executive.
     
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    Tell me doug.Did you sell your Apple stock in July 2010 for $235 ?

    Because it's at $422 now. ;)

    I'm guessing Scott held on to some of his.

    That makes him pretty smart in my book.
     
  10. doug in albq, Oct 17, 2011
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    but when he did, was he a wizard at it? is he also a virtuoso manager, presenter, people person? I guess you say yes to both. Thank you for your answer. I respect your opinion.

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    thread-drift.

    btw, I do not buy stocks.
     
  11. Peace, Oct 17, 2011
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    Ok. Sorry to go off topic.

    You do realize Steve Jobs did not know how to right code don't you ?

    He worked in concepts and had other people do the coding. Scott Forstall was one of the major players in writing the code for the NeXT OS.

    He may be a "manager" now but I'd venture to guess he could code better than most people on this board.

    Old saying :

    You know how to tell a real coder ?

    They lean forward a lot.

    Watch Scott sometime.


    "Notice how almost every thread in this "Mac OS X 10.7 Lion" forum sub-topic here at MacRumors is about problems/issues/broken-ness of Lion.

    Not, "How do I do this or that?" like 10.6 sub-forum, but just plain broken stuff...

    Apple has huge, new issues—an OS that is defective for any sort of power-user. Are all power-users going to have to switch to Windows?

    Lion is no longer a new OS, so that excuse is invalid.

    This seems like very new territory for Apple—a computer OS that is sucking hard...

    EDIT: is this why Bertrand Serlet left Apple...?
    (got sick of Scott thumb-typing on his phone all day long...)"


    I'm guessing you have some personal vendetta against Scott.
     
  12. doug in albq, Oct 17, 2011
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  13. MacHamster68, Oct 17, 2011
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    yes hm ok i did read your post but cant offer you a answer you did not already read
    Stanford , next, aqua ,OSX , nobody at Next or Apple would have let him near a computer if he wasn't a good engineer and coder , especially not Steve Jobs , if he wasn't good Steve would have fired him already at Next
    and he is not just a ordinary manager ;)

    from Apple press release

    Scott Forstall is senior vice president of iPhone Software at Apple. Reporting directly to the CEO, Forstall leads the team responsible for delivering the software at the heart of Apple’s revolutionary iPhone including the user interface, applications, frameworks and the operating system.

    Forstall joined Apple in 1997 and is one of the original architects of Mac OS X and its Aqua user interface. He was responsible for several releases of the operating system, most notably Mac OS X Leopard. Prior to Apple he worked at NeXT developing core technologies.

    Forstall received both a Bachelor of Science in Symbolic Systems and a Master of Science in Computer Science from Stanford University.


    Apple's senior VP for iOS, Scott Forstall, was indirectly responsible for the leak of an iPhone 4 prototype in 2010, a new Businessweek profile suggests. A former Apple manager claims that Forstall persuaded the company's CEO at the time, Steve Jobs, to allow dozens of engineers to carry prototypes so they could do better testing of network performance and reduce dropped calls. It was one of Forstall's engineers who accidentally left an iPhone 4 in a pub, which eventually resulted in a Gizmodo hands-on piece and a high-profile criminal investigation.

    The profile also reveals some other facts about Forstall, such as his close ties to Jobs. "He was as close to Steve as anybody at the company," says Andy Miller, the former head of Apple's iAd division. Forstall is in fact said to have a car identical to Jobs' -- a silver Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG -- and an on-stage uniform, that being jeans, black shoes and a black zippered sweater.

    Sources claim the VP has a tense relationship with other Apple executives, such as lead designer Jonathan Ive and Mac hardware leader Bob Mansfield. The conflict is allegedly intense enough that some executives will avoid meetings with him unless CEO Tim Cook is there as well. Two former Apple executives, Tony Fadell and Jean-Marie Hullot, are said to have left Apple after regularly fighting with Forstall. Another, Jon Rubinstein, reportedly turned away from conversations at a Silicon Valley party last month when Forstall's name was mentioned.

    "I once referred to Scott as Apple’s chief a–hole," says a former Apple software engineer, Mike Lee. "And I meant it as a compliment." AT&T CTO John Donovan comments that Forstall "knows what he wants," and can be "relentless" about pursuing it.

    A more positive perspective comes from Google's senior VP of social business, Vic Gundotra. "Scott's a pretty amazing guy," he remarks. "In terms of running an operating system team, he's one of the best I've ever seen." Such views may be reflected in Apple revenues, since the iPhone now forms the largest part of Apple's business, dwarfing even Macs, and the iPad is on the rise.


    thats enough info for you , if you want more then you know where to look for ...Google


    but i agree he tries to make OSX merge iOS or the other way round , but that was something favoured by Steve Jobs too , soon we wont need Mac's as we knew them , a bigger iPad will be the future
     
  14. doug in albq thread starter Suspended

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    Are You an "I" or a "T"?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/andyboynton/2011/10/18/are-you-an-i-or-a-t/?feed=rss_home


    in other words:

    "Specialization is for insects."



    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

    -Robert A. Heinlein
     
  15. Lyle macrumors 68000

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    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this thread. I would however point out that the article you linked to goes to great lengths, using Warren Buffett as an example, to make the point that specialization (i.e. being an "I") has its merits too, and concludes:
     
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    I think you do. You should give yourself more credit for the comprehension of this topic.
     

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