Is Sequoia ready for prime time?

[nph]

Is it stable compared to Sonoma and ready for upgrade?
Or is it better to wait until 15.1 comes out?
What is general recommendation?

 

[edubfromktown]

I say no.

The 15.0 release had network driver issues (LAN connection would not negotiate to 10 GB and would stop working after sleep at 1GB) on my M1 Studio Base Max.

Other problem was LrC could no longer import photos from my USB-C connected phone (the phone storage would mount and unmount repeatedly).


Upgrade to 15.0.1 improved things slightly. Still no 10 GB LAN speed negotiation though 1 GB behaved slightly better. Only downside was a delay before the network connection would go active.

LrC import from my phone still did not work.

Doing an Internet recovery of Sonoma and restoring from backup.

So far, Sequoia seems to be working ok on my M3 Pro MBP 14". I'm not holding my breath lol

 

[richmlow]

Is it stable compared to Sonoma and ready for upgrade?
Or is it better to wait until 15.1 comes out?
What is general recommendation?

I feel that you should wait for Sequoia 15.1. The current iteration of Sequoia is unstable, compared to Sonoma 14.7.

richmlow

 

[jz0309]

Is it stable compared to Sonoma and ready for upgrade?
Or is it better to wait until 15.1 comes out?
What is general recommendation?

without knowing your system, your apps etc - impossible to give a recommendation.
It's running perfectly stable on my M1Max Studio ...

 

[Wolf1701]

Sequoia (15.0.1) seems to have network drivers problems (example: on my two macs the dlink e250 usbc to ethernet 2.5gbps adapter is way slower than in 14.7... 1950 mbps vs 2350 mbps). Calendar shows widget in the wrong (for me) language... they have some more work to do.

 

[edubfromktown]

My Studio Base Max 10 GB wired Ethernet started working normally no prob after rolling back to Sonoma.

Also, my longtime online investment website displayed various data erratically after updating to Sequoia. The Account Value would show as NaN and a bunch of the tabular holdings/values, etc. were often blank or zeroed out. All of the website data displays correctly as it had in the past since I rolled back to Sonoma.

Apple: stop all the mucking around with network drivers and IP stack (or at least TEST THEM adequately before release to production lol).

Even better, all my photos from my (USB-C connected) mobile phone appear and stay visible when I go to import in LrC 13.5.1

With Sequoia, some photos would appear briefly and then all would disappear and continually reload some, then disappear again over and over.

 

[nph]

Thanks, I will definitely hold off until 15.1.

 

[workerbee]

Sequoia (15.0.1) seems to have network drivers problems (example: on my two macs the dlink e250 usbc to ethernet 2.5gbps adapter is way slower than in 14.7... 1950 mbps vs 2350 mbps). Calendar shows widget in the wrong (for me) language... they have some more work to do.

Did you try to force-quit Finder?
Transferring 5.44GB over ethernet to my Synology was going to take 41 minutes.
Force-quit Finder, network shares are still mounted, the same transfer is now 4 minutes.

Sometimes I really with Apple would polish their OSes instead of trying to add AI nonsense everywhere to make Wallstreet happy.

 

[mikes63737]

I've been having two issues on Sequoia. Running a MBP M1 Max on 15.0.1.

First, I'm noticing more weird network stuff than usual. Seeing a good deal of pages fail to load on the first try in Firefox, but work fine once you try again. Could be Firefox, but weird network behavior is Apple's specialty.

Second, I've also had to force-reboot my Mac 3 times in the last few days since 15.0.1. I can't remember the last time I had to do that, and now thrice in a few days. I don't think this was happening on 15.0. My entire system hung while unmounting a SMB network share (see, more weird network stuff) and again a few minutes ago for an unknown reason. By entire system hung, I mean apps not responding, unable to force-quit them, or launch new apps, or log out. Just sitting there with apps bouncing in the dock for multiple minutes.

 

[golftime]

Maybe it is me but Sequoia is the least stable release in years. Software that was stable before is now glitchy. I have MS Office for work and since Sequoia it is extremely unstable and won't fully load or if it does it is totally unstable. As one small example, the I was sending an email today and in the short time it took to write it, the draft autosave feature had save 45 different drafts of the same email.

 

[maccuser]

So far one of the best features using Safari was that it would automatically recognizes the the tow factor authentication via SMS and it would fill it. For some reason it has stopped both on my Mac M! MacBook pro and iPhone 16 pro.

Any ideas why it stopped? any solutions?

Im running latest beta of 18.1

 

[con]

No, based on some pretty critical issues with Safari including passwords, freezes loading some settings in System Settings (including with iCloud), etc.

 

[FNH15]

I’d wait unless you really want it. Even something as simple as typing out an email in Mail lags if there’s a picture attached. Yeesh!
There appears to be a bug in WindowServer - the entire system will start to get laggy. This is after around a week of uptime.

This is on my M1 Pro w/ 32GB RAM. So not underpowered…

 

[topcat001]

I just updated my M1 to Sonoma, primarily because of the Safari Netflix error message (which is now fixed). No plans to upgrade to Sequoia in the near future.

 

[Mike57000]

Do not update to Sequoia.

 

[thebart]

I understand new features will have bugs, but don't get how a mature OS should break mature subsystems like networking. They don't claim to be improving their network stack, so what are they doing?

 

[galad]

Just because it's not listed in the changes log, it doesn't mean nothing happened.
For example since Sonoma (or before?) Wi-Fi and Ethernet drivers run in user-space instead of running inside the kernel. Was it ever listed? Not really.

 

[OptimusGrime]

Just because it's not listed in the changes log, it doesn't mean nothing happened.
For example since Sonoma (or before?) Wi-Fi and Ethernet drivers run in user-space instead of running inside the kernel. Was it ever listed? Not really.

Wow. This is very interesting. Is there any more information on this?

 

[topcat001]

How macOS is moving away from kernel extensions

How 3rd party developers used KPIs for drivers and much else in kernel extensions. These are now being replaced progressively by System Extensions. This is the state of play.

eclecticlight.co

 

[OptimusGrime]

How macOS is moving away from kernel extensions

How 3rd party developers used KPIs for drivers and much else in kernel extensions. These are now being replaced progressively by System Extensions. This is the state of play.

eclecticlight.co

Thanks. I wasn’t aware it applied to Apple’s own kexts.

I’m curious if moving wifi and especially Ethernet (10 gig) out of the kernel effects performance or overhead? I had always heard the reason drivers were in the kernel was for efficiency and performance.

 

[Tagbert]

Maybe it is me but Sequoia is the least stable release in years. Software that was stable before is now glitchy. I have MS Office for work and since Sequoia it is extremely unstable and won't fully load or if it does it is totally unstable. As one small example, the I was sending an email today and in the short time it took to write it, the draft autosave feature had save 45 different drafts of the same email.

I use Office 365 and have not run into that problem, or really any other problems with Sequoia. These kinds of issues can be frustratingly specific to a particular installation and hard to track down.

Is your Outlook the most current version that has been tested against Sequoia?