I know 10.X.0 releases are buggy, I upgraded a ibook to leopard the day it came out. but I did a clean install of SL yesterday and I am very pleased, WiFi issues are fixed, wake up and sleep are faster, so is restart/boot and all that jazz, and i regained 9gb of hard drive space. yes it is true SL is a big service pack, but that is what apple said it was all along, and give any bugs your having some time I bet 10.6.1 will fix a lot of issues.
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is SL as bad as everyone is saying?
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Snow Leopard is working just fine for me and even better than Leopard. I'm having no issues.
And this is a forum. People tend to state their annoyances with SL more than their happiness.
And this is a forum. People tend to state their annoyances with SL more than their happiness.
Most people are not having problems. You just read about them here because those are the people speak up. I did a standard upgrade install and have had zero issues.
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There are a couple of small problems, but in general most users seem happy with it; considering that it is barely five days old.
Seriously though, we are just going to reiterate exactly what has been said in one of the bijillion threads about people's thoughts on it.
Here is one uplifting thread.
Seriously though, we are just going to reiterate exactly what has been said in one of the bijillion threads about people's thoughts on it.
Here is one uplifting thread.
On my Mac Pro, I installed on a new (and faster) hard drive then migrated all my stuff over from the old drive using Migration Assistant. So far, works perfectly. I haven't had a chance yet to test everything (it's been less than 24 hours) but so far I haven't had any issues. Even the Logitech control panel/drivers for my mouse and keyboard seem to be working - and that's no small feet knowing the state of Logitech's software.
I haven't had a chance to install it on my unibody MacBook yet, but may do that tonight. I presume it should have an even lower chance of trouble since I use virtually no third party hardware or system extensions on it.
I haven't had a chance to install it on my unibody MacBook yet, but may do that tonight. I presume it should have an even lower chance of trouble since I use virtually no third party hardware or system extensions on it.
i am more than happy with SL, other than expose been a little choppy the odd time i have no problems and enjoy the performance increase
SL is working great. The people who are complaining are trying to use software that is not supported. I lost my Menu Meters (similar to iStat) because the file that is called to get the information went from storing everything in 32-bits to storing in 64-bits. They are expecting an update soon. Everything else seems to work just fine.
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I don't think SL is bad. Its certainly far better than Leopard 10.5.0. But its not better than 10.5.8
So I'm disappointed because I was expecting a tweaked version of Leopard that was better, faster, stronger. In my case its not better (less reliable), not faster (slower according to xbench) and not smaller (disk space savings were illusionary).
So what I got was an OS with major changes under the hood to lay a future foundation with none of the immediate benefits I wanted and all I have to show for it is some surface fluff. Ok, I admit there was a bunch of features I stopped using when Leopard came out cause they were buggier than crap - and SL may fix a lot of them so in coming months I may learn to appreciate it as I try some of these features again (like Spaces).
I don't think SL is bad. Its certainly far better than Leopard 10.5.0. But its not better than 10.5.8
So I'm disappointed because I was expecting a tweaked version of Leopard that was better, faster, stronger. In my case its not better (less reliable), not faster (slower according to xbench) and not smaller (disk space savings were illusionary).
So what I got was an OS with major changes under the hood to lay a future foundation with none of the immediate benefits I wanted and all I have to show for it is some surface fluff. Ok, I admit there was a bunch of features I stopped using when Leopard came out cause they were buggier than crap - and SL may fix a lot of them so in coming months I may learn to appreciate it as I try some of these features again (like Spaces).
With Leopard I could run world of warcraft maximized fullscreen on a second display (1920x1080) and still use safari, itunes, and ichat on the main display without a noticeable UI lag.
With SL there's a definite delay using the GUI, safari pages scroll much slower, and WoW FPS drops about 10% with safari running.
I've got a 4gb MBP with an 8600M GT
With SL there's a definite delay using the GUI, safari pages scroll much slower, and WoW FPS drops about 10% with safari running.
I've got a 4gb MBP with an 8600M GT
I installed it over Leopard (ergo no the clean install)
And... No problems (Macbook early 2008). Well, I was expecting an increase in speed for third party apps, though Flock seems slow as hell, but Finder is faster. Preview is a lot faster. Safari is the fastest browser I've used, despite the lack of plug-ins. (Really miss the AdBlock Plus and Personal Web Cleaner)
And quicklook doesn't support a plug-in for List view (Useful for looking into folders)
Start up is not as fast as I thought it would be, but shutdown is faster.
Expose is better though it is a bit buggy, with several windows open, and the bigger icons with the new PDF and everything in Finder. the 64-bit inside makes a difference. Pity that almost none other third party Apps are 64 bit (I'm looking at you, photoshop!)
Hell, I remember setting up a Vista machine last year, and it didn't go as good as this. my own user profile got corrupted, and it crashes if 2 specific user profiles are logged on at the same time. and lets not mention trying to network for file and printer sharing between that and an XP machine.
So no, Depends i suppose on people, their systems and what they do. For me, its gone smoother then I hoped. And it is a fresh release. It can only get better with updates. (And people, check incase your Mac needs Firmware updates from apple. Mine apparently doesn't, and, if memory serves me correct, might be one of the only ones that don't)
And... No problems (Macbook early 2008). Well, I was expecting an increase in speed for third party apps, though Flock seems slow as hell, but Finder is faster. Preview is a lot faster. Safari is the fastest browser I've used, despite the lack of plug-ins. (Really miss the AdBlock Plus and Personal Web Cleaner)
And quicklook doesn't support a plug-in for List view (Useful for looking into folders)
Start up is not as fast as I thought it would be, but shutdown is faster.
Expose is better though it is a bit buggy, with several windows open, and the bigger icons with the new PDF and everything in Finder. the 64-bit inside makes a difference. Pity that almost none other third party Apps are 64 bit (I'm looking at you, photoshop!)
Hell, I remember setting up a Vista machine last year, and it didn't go as good as this. my own user profile got corrupted, and it crashes if 2 specific user profiles are logged on at the same time. and lets not mention trying to network for file and printer sharing between that and an XP machine.
So no, Depends i suppose on people, their systems and what they do. For me, its gone smoother then I hoped. And it is a fresh release. It can only get better with updates. (And people, check incase your Mac needs Firmware updates from apple. Mine apparently doesn't, and, if memory serves me correct, might be one of the only ones that don't)
I kinda figured most of the "SL sucks" threads were started by the secret Micro$oft trolls on the forums. I'm still waiting to figure out my situation so I can get it. Does anyone know if it improves HandBrake performance or do we need an upgrade from HandBrake's devs?
That could be a workaround.. not a solution though. I'll have to try running Safari in 32-bit mode to see if it's faster.
I did a clean install of SL when I got it on the 28th and I even booted to 64 bit kernel. It seems to work really good for me. Much faster and I do like the little changes on the looks here and there. I have not had really any problems getting my old programs I use to work either. I was worried snow leopard would be a big mess but I am actually really impressed. It could been much much more bad. My dad was surprised to!
You hear people complaining about SL because:
If it's not working for them, (more lag, beachballing, incompatibility, etc) then they post questions here. Or write articles/blog posts.
If it does work, they keep quiet. They don't start a thread saying "Snow Leopard does everything it was advertised to do! Yay!" Because that would be dumb.
You do find articles though, about how Snow Leopard is a good upgrade.
If it's not working for them, (more lag, beachballing, incompatibility, etc) then they post questions here. Or write articles/blog posts.
If it does work, they keep quiet. They don't start a thread saying "Snow Leopard does everything it was advertised to do! Yay!" Because that would be dumb.
You do find articles though, about how Snow Leopard is a good upgrade.
Why I'm trying to downgrade back to 10.5
I think that for most people this upgrade will be quite nice with maybe a couple of hiccups. For me it has been a nightmare.
-A high end encoding system that I have hooked up doesn't work anymore.
-EyeTV will only work if I pay ElGato another pile of money to buy a 10.6 compatible software package.
-No more AppleTalk which is the only way to directly connect to an OS9 machine.
-Stability issues with MS excel spreadsheets.
Other than the EyeTV nonsense I need the rest of these things all day long to get my work done. I'll probably upgrade my laptop and my home machine, but no way am I going to be able to use 10.6 for work for some time.
I think that for most people this upgrade will be quite nice with maybe a couple of hiccups. For me it has been a nightmare.
-A high end encoding system that I have hooked up doesn't work anymore.
-EyeTV will only work if I pay ElGato another pile of money to buy a 10.6 compatible software package.
-No more AppleTalk which is the only way to directly connect to an OS9 machine.
-Stability issues with MS excel spreadsheets.
Other than the EyeTV nonsense I need the rest of these things all day long to get my work done. I'll probably upgrade my laptop and my home machine, but no way am I going to be able to use 10.6 for work for some time.
SL is doing fine. Installed last night. Did NOT erase drive first -- as appears to be conventional wisdom here -- and went the chicken's way with a simple upgrade.
No serious issues so far. It "uninstalled" my Hyperspace screen saver, but that's pretty minor. Software seems to work great.
Nope, it's not bad at all. Report back to Redmond that Lauren the Laptop Hunter might want that MacBook after all.
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No serious issues so far. It "uninstalled" my Hyperspace screen saver, but that's pretty minor. Software seems to work great.
Nope, it's not bad at all. Report back to Redmond that Lauren the Laptop Hunter might want that MacBook after all.
mt
xbench is a joke and hasn't been updated in eons. And I got back 10GB of disk space when I upgraded. YMMV.