is Steve turning the mac into a PC

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by Macmadant, Dec 7, 2005.

  1. Macmadant macrumors 6502a

    Jun 4, 2005
    i mean two button mouses, intel processors, i was happy being different, i don't like being the same as everyone else.:confused:
  2. mad jew Moderator emeritus

    mad jew

    Apr 3, 2004
    Adelaide, Australia
    It'll be interesting to see if OSX (or later) is ever licensed to another hardware manufacturer. I hope it won't be.
  3. ortuno2k macrumors 6502a

    Nov 4, 2005
    Hollywood, FL
    I'd really HATE :mad: to see regular PCs running OS X.
    What makes Macs unique is the OS. How many PC users wish they could build their PCs and use OS X?
    I hope Mr. Jobs keeps OS X on Macs. Period.
  4. sethypoo macrumors 68000

    Oct 8, 2003
    Sacramento, CA, USA
    No, I don't think that the Mac is going the way of the PC.

    When Apple starts putting Windows in Mac's then we can start to panic. The two button mouse makes you more productive than a single button one, and Intel processors are just better than PowerPC processors. Intel processors run cooler and faster, and use less power. Also, as you know, they have an awesome roadmap ahead of them.
  5. Eithanius macrumors 65816

    Nov 19, 2005
    then perhaps we should start to get ourselves panic...

    By switching to the x86 architecture, Apple had (unofficially) already putting Windows into future Macs...

    From my p.o.v, switching to the x86 is a bad idea, but it looks like Apple have had no choice after all....
  6. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004
    Without dragging this entirely off-topic, I'd like to see what evidence you have for such a statement.
  7. CmdrLaForge macrumors 601


    Feb 26, 2003
    around the world
    Can't give you a good answer to that - just that I really like the scrollball on my mightymouse and I believe that I am pretty fast with it scrolling .

    Anyway - I don't see Mac's turning into PCs because in the end when you sit in front of the machine and do your work it just doesn't matter what kind of CPU is used inside. And the whole look and feel of the OS and design of the machine will not change. The complete thought through expierence from dimming sleeplights to the working software update functions.

  8. Nermal Moderator


    Staff Member

    Dec 7, 2002
    New Zealand
    A Mac is a PC :)
  9. BakedBeans macrumors 68040


    May 6, 2004
    What's Your Favorite Posish
    Absolute rubbish
  10. Morn macrumors 6502

    Oct 26, 2005
    I think it's a positive thing that mac's have become a lot less propietary since steve has been aroundk. It means more choice for the user (with regards to hardware and software). Now really, if you want to think different, you need to have choice, you don't have to have steve or bill think for you.
    Also, with mactel's it's a lot easier for a windows user to consider switching.
    (btw, right button is more productive than a single button, I can't stress enough now useful it is to have related tasks that you commonly do come up on a context menu)
  11. Peter Griffin macrumors regular

    Jul 10, 2005
    I wouldn't go as far to say that having two buttons makes you more productive but it sure as hell makes scrolling and right clicking a lot easier which is a godsend to anyone who browses the internet (I think that includes just about every one of us). I seriously can't see how the benefits of a one button outweigh that of a two with scroll wheel.
  12. aristobrat macrumors G5

    Oct 14, 2005
    Exactly .. they're both Personal Computers!

    And no, I don't think that Steve is turning Macs into Windows boxes...

    If someone looks at a box running OS X and a box running XP and says "oh, they're the same" because they have the same internal processors or two-button mice, then I'd really not worry about anything else that person has to say on the matter. :eek: :D
  13. aristobrat macrumors G5

    Oct 14, 2005
    I'm sure it's personal preference.

    I wouldn't doubt that someone who's used to a one-button mouse wouldn't be able to match productivity with someone who's used to a two button mouse/scroll wheel.

    However, force either person to use "the other way" and watch them struggle! :rolleyes:
  14. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004
    In my job and personally speaking, productivity has little to do with scrolling, browsers and the web... the one-button mouse does have benefits, particularly ergonomically IMHO.
  15. BakedBeans macrumors 68040


    May 6, 2004
    What's Your Favorite Posish
    I agree Miss Velvet

    At first it 'forces' you to Ctrl click, this inadvertently introduces you to shortcuts and in things like photoshop etc its essential to use short cuts if you want productivity.

    I constantly have my thumb over the Ctrl/Option buttons ready to hit a shortcut.

    The scroller is good for webpages though. In general Windows users that are used to using 2 button mice think one button users are missing out, which is of course simply not true
  16. strydr macrumors 6502


    Mar 25, 2005
    I guess I'm just very ADD, cause I need a button for every finger on my mouse.. Personally, I love using keyboard shortcuts, sometimes, i'd rather use just a keyboard, but when I need the mouse, I want it to do as much as my keyboard (with the exeption of typing). I haven't played with the Mighty Mouse yet, I use a Logitech MX Duo (has 8 buttons, & a scroll). And, yes, I'm a old PC user, but I'm also a Mac user for over 15 years.
  17. Josh macrumors 68000


    Mar 4, 2004
    State College, PA
    If you like shortcuts, it confuses me why you wouldn't prefer a two-button mouse :confused:

    Using a 2-button mouse, I can right click without having to use two hands to do it. I can type with one hand, while clicking and control-clicking all with the other.

    Plus, I have 5 buttons on my mouse. I can access expose controls and dashboard with the click of 1 button, with 1 hand.

    I guarantee a person with a multi-button mouse could type a word, select it, control-click it, copy the text, use expose to see all windows, click a window, and control-click to paste the text in the new window MUCH faster than a person with a one-button mouse.

    The person with more buttons can access the control-click menu and expose with one hand, and type with the other. They don't need to go back and forth from the control buttons to the F buttons and all that.

    Not easy to "scientifically prove", but logically, if a process can be done with one hand where it is, rather than two hands, it is more effective.

    And two think the one-button Apple mouse is ergonomically designed is a mistake. There are no ergonomics to it. It is just a simple shape, an elongated circle which is completely unnatural to hold. A mouse that his been crafted to conform to the natural curve of one's hand is much more ergonomic.

    I think people just except things Apple says because in their eyes, Apple can do no wrong. If Apple say's it's egonomic, it must be.....right?
  18. Josh396 macrumors 65816


    Oct 16, 2004
    Peoria/Chicago, IL
    IBM also said they had a roadmap that would "knock your socks off" a few years ago.;)
  19. electronboy macrumors 6502

    Sep 27, 2005
    Steve wants TPM

    What Steve and friends are after is TPM for new Macs. Why reinvent the wheel? There is only one company out there that is developing the chip for Intel systems, so if Steve converts to Intel then he gets to save lots of money.

    TPM is coming to the Mac folks. :( Get yourself a PowerMac G5 while you can. YEE-Ha!

    Here is the Wikipedia link on the subject:
  20. Josh macrumors 68000


    Mar 4, 2004
    State College, PA
    The difference is IBM "said" that about their roadmap. Intel has actually provided their roadmap.

    Showing > Saying
  21. CanadaRAM macrumors G5


    Oct 11, 2004
    On the Left Coast - Victoria BC Canada
    Correction. A two-button mouse makes ME much more productive. I have no ide3a about you .... ;)
  22. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

    Lord Blackadder

    May 7, 2004
    Sod off
    I currently prefer my 2 button + scroll wheel mouse over the single button, but I really have no credibility because I was one of the very few that actually liked the "hockey-puck" mouse. :eek:

    I don't think that Macs will "become PCs", and I don't expect OS X to be licensed. Anyway Intel offers a very exciting roadmap whereas IBM has lost interest in consumer PCs. Apple really had no choice but to move to Intel, or at least move away from IBM.
  23. Plymouthbreezer macrumors 601


    Feb 27, 2005
  24. Sunrunner macrumors 6502a


    Nov 27, 2003

    Perhaps, but I think maybe "powerbook updates" takes the cake on that one... or perhaps "Mac is better than Windows"... :p
  25. FadeToBlack macrumors 68000


    Apr 27, 2005
    Accoville, WV
    I totally agree, man. Glad I'm not the only one who is tired of seeing this.

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