Is the atv2 capable of doing 1080p with an iOS update?

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by Che Castro, Apr 17, 2011.

  1. Che Castro macrumors 603

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    Or the hardware is just not there?

    If not

    the next apple tv 3 will have 1080p...


    Will they stop making the current atv2 or lower the price

    Or keep the current price of $99 for the atv2 & have the atv3 cost more?

    I dont think there going back to a hardrive inside the atv again

    So a media streamer with no hardrive would be a tough sell if it cost more then $100, unless there saving all the good stuff like appstore & games for the atv3

    What do you guys think
     
  2. Intell, Apr 17, 2011
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    The current Apple TV hardware is capable of playing back a full 1080p media file. But Apple's firmware limits it. How do I know the hardware can do this? The iPhone 3Gs can playback a 1080p m4v without any problems.
     
  3. Che Castro thread starter macrumors 603

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    I remember with the iphone 3G apple sayd no video recording

    In came cycorder


    Now with an ios update iphone 3g can do video recording
     
  4. ghostlyorb macrumors 6502a

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    I believe it can. Kinda pointless without it IMO. When it get's it.. I'll buy it!
     
  5. Sparky9292 macrumors 6502a

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    Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_0_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8A306 Safari/6531.22.7)

    There's no need for hard drives anymore. 100mbit wifi is fine for streaming 1080p.

    I have 3 appletv's in my house all streaming fine from one mac mini with a drobo 4TB.

    FTW
     
  6. spizer511 macrumors newbie

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    I've got one streaming my whole home library...

    I've got one streaming my whole home library. The Primary interface seems to be 720p though, as my Samsung LCD notifies me whenever it changes resolutions (kinda annoying, but in this instance useful). My little jailbroken device is a dream.
     
  7. DoFoT9 macrumors P6

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    kind of a touchy subject. the ATV2 can OUTPUT to 1080p (i.e. upscale 720p movies, etc). that is the main thing advertised, this taken from their website.

    additionally - as we have discovered through various tests it is possible to playback a 1080p movie on the ATV2, but there have been various results, such as bitrate limitations and whatnot.
     
  8. Intell macrumors P6

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    Now that I reread my post I see that it was worded oddly.

    The current Apple TV hardware is capable of playing back a full 1080p media file. But Apple's firmware limits it. How do I know the hardware can do this? The iPhone 3Gs can playback a 1080p m4v without any problems.
     
  9. DoFoT9 macrumors P6

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    ahhh. i was a bit confused by your comment and may have jumped the gun a little.

    but sure, all those devices can play back 1080p, its not very hard. even the original appleTV hardware was capable of this. its more the bitrate that is the problem.
     
  10. dynaflash macrumors 68020

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    Decoding and outputting (rendering to screen) are two vastly different things. Even when 1080p is decoded its downscaled to 720p to the renderer then upscaled to your 1080p set on the atvs.
     
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    However...

    Can it do it without choking? Netflix struggles with SD at times. If they can improve the throughput, then maybe...
     
  12. blevins321 macrumors 68030

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    There are a bunch of threads about that topic. The ATV itself is fine with streaming. Netflix connectivity specifically has some issues with connective consistency. Ive noticed it's improved if you use ethernet rather than Wifi.
     
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  14. fpnc, Apr 21, 2011
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    I'm not certain what you mean by that statement. As far as I know the ATV2 output is locked to 720p, there is no way for the user to select 1080i/p or even 480p as an OUTPUT. One could speculate that it could do other output resolutions (particularly 480p, since there is/was a problem with some TVs where the signal would drop to 480p rather than sync to 720p), but in any case Apple only supports output at 720p.

    Again, I'm not certain what you mean here. The ATV1 could OUTPUT at 1080i/p, but the maximum source or decode resolution was in the 720p24 range. Hacked/jailbroken ATV1s could perhaps do a little better than 720p24, but the only way to get usable 1080p decode on an ATV1 is to add a third-party hardware video decoder like the Broadcom Crystal HD.

    As for the OP, I suspect that the ATV2 might be able to decode 1080p content but frankly I doubt that Apple will ever enable that resolution on the ATV2 (so the question is kind of moot). Note, when I say might I mean that we'd have to know that it can robustly and reliably decode high-quality 1080p content. Thus far all we have seen is that the A4 processor/GPU can decode random samples of 1080p that have been tried by a small group of users (including myself), but that doesn't prove that it could handle high-quality 1080p content day-in, day-out without any problems or display artifacts.
     
  15. peterjcat macrumors 6502

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    Agreed, there is no way to get the ATV2 to output 1080p at the moment. The XBMC people seem to think that it's not possible for them to get around this limitation, though it's not clear whether this is a hardware or firmware issue.

    I think 1080p output is desirable even if the ATV2 can't decode all 1080p material, simply because a lot of HD video is encoded at 24fps and the best way to display it is at 1080p24.
     
  16. DoFoT9 macrumors P6

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    fpnc - you are obviously forgetting the few page discussion we had on this sometime last year ;)

    might be worth re-reading?
     
  17. Irishman macrumors 68030

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    From what I understand, there is a difference between the HD streaming experience on iTunes content vs Netflix content.

    With iTunes, the device pre-caches more of the stream (but a higher bitrate than Netflix), and the resultant image has less artifacting than NF.

    A Netflix stream will start quicker, but at a lower bitrate and more blocking, etc.
     
  18. fpnc, Apr 22, 2011
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    Okay, I just reviewed that thread and I still stand by everything I said (both then and now).

    In fact, here is the key portion of our last exchange on that thread where you pretty much resigned to the fact that the ATV1 with its 1GHz Pentium CPU and NVIDIA 7300Go would probably have difficulty with 1080p H.264 decode:
    In any case, in its current configuration and with the current Apple firmware/software the ATV1 can NOT decode 1080p video. Enough said, I think.
     

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