Is there a new version of os x server?

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  1. cyberblood macrumors newbie

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    Hi,

    is there a new version of OS X Server coming with macOS High Sierra?
    If yes, are there some new features?
     
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  3. Ccrew macrumors 68020

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    Version 5.4 is now at Beta 5. Mainly integration changes, but some wholesale changes in Profile Manager.
     
  4. adam9c1 macrumors 68000

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    I think it will go public on the 25th, actually they were behind the os release a few days as of late.
     
  5. Geeky Chimp macrumors regular

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    here is a review of the latest server which in my opinion is really sucky. Went back to Sierra. High Sierra worked great but if you need time machine server, oh well. Thanks Apple for screwing us again,

    Missing Features

    by noraar
    For some reason Apple has decided to remove a number of features from the Server.app application itself - including: Network Time Machine Backups, Caching Server, and File Sharing. While all of these features still remain, and are baked directly into High Sierra, not having a central place to manage them severely limits their functionality. No longer can I manage these features remotely via the Server.app installed on a different computer (making managing multiple servers a giant pain in the butt), and with the removal from Server.app, managing from the CLI is gone as well. Having these features backed into High Sierra is awesome - allowing the lay person to benefit from said features, but removing them from Server.app itself makes zero sense. In addition, Open Directory is now hidden by default (though still accessible from the “View” menu - which when selected will make it visible again), which makes me fear that it will be removed in later versions of Server. iOS File Sharing is no longer an option that can be pushed out via profiles - while not a huge deal, and I think a lot of it’s functionality will be replaced by the new Files app in iOS 11, still another unnecessary feature removal.

    All in all, macOS Server 5.4 has removed significantly more features than it has added. Not sure what Apple is/was thinking - but I fear they are going to slowly remove features from Server.app until they eliminate entirely.

    What Happened to Time Machine?

    by K-MTG
    I can’t believe they just got rid of Time Machine Backup Support for Server. Totally ridiculous…step backwards. I want to go back
     
  8. PinkyMacGodess macrumors 601

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    Didn't they just announce that file server support was going to be released in an update? Was that just for MacOS?

    Server sure seems to be getting peed on. Sad... Will they dump it onto the third party like some other things they have done? Sad...

    Apple Does Business, except it doesn't...
     
  9. Altemose macrumors G3

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    A number of the features that were previously incorporated into macOS Server are now being deployed directly into the host OS in System Preferences. I predict that this is due to iOS gaining new functionality and power with the Files app as well as the fact that since OS X Lion, Server has merely been run as an extension atop of the existing operating system.
     
  10. chrfr macrumors 604

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    Time Machine support is still in 5.4, it's just hidden. Open up the Sharing System Preference, and right click on a sharepoint. Under Advanced Options, you're given the option to designate a volume as a Time Machine destination.
     
  11. dlopan macrumors member

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    It's client side not server and it's very limited compared to 5
     
  12. kamran1998 macrumors member

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    Good to know! I am the one that actually made that comment. Just ran a Time Machine Backup though super slow...so I created a fresh backup and it's still slow. I upgraded my external drives and everything to the new file system but still slow! Any idea why?
     
  13. DJLC macrumors 6502a

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    So let me ask this — is Caching server totally dead? I mean, I see about the iOS tethered caching being baked into High Sierra, but I really don't care about that at all. I'm not about to plug in every one of our 300-some iPads just to install apps from a cache, and I'm not spending $600+ on a charge/sync cart we'd use once a year. Having the local caching server significantly speeds up deployment while still allowing IT to have a mostly hands-off approach.

    So are we back to having every iPad individually download from Apple? That's stupid.
     
  14. chrfr macrumors 604

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    No, caching server is not dead- it's built into the base OS now, and doesn't require Server.app at all. The regular caching functionality isn't any different than it was in older versions of Server, aside from being built in now.
    https://georgegarside.com/blog/macos/high-sierra-content-caching/
     
  15. DJLC macrumors 6502a

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    Ahhhh, thank you! All I could find was an Apple page talking about tethered caching. You just totally turned my opinion of Server 5.4 around. :D

    As much as it sucks how much Server has been crippled since the introduction of Server.app, I'm kind of glad to see more of it moving into the client OS. Maybe some of these features will get the attention they need and deserve now that they're baked into the OS. Plus, now I can use some of this stuff at home without ruining my personal Mac with Server.app.
     
  16. dlopan macrumors member

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    smb probably.
     
  17. kamran1998 macrumors member

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    Yea..apparently I can't use AFP anymore. Any other options? I guess I will have to use ISCSI or something else
     
  18. 960design macrumors 68030

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    I'm using the new caching server with High Sierra with no issues. Apps seem to be pulling from caching, although I've only run about 50 iPads through today.

    I'd recommend pushing apps via MDM licensing and device assignment.
     
  19. DJLC macrumors 6502a

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    MDM all the way — and with DEP, we don't even need to physically touch an iPad before it goes out. The updated caching server is more advanced than I realized; being able to enable it on any old Mac and have it set up in a hierarchy is going to make deployment day a breeze. Now I can have one at both of our locations! Glad to hear it's working in practice for you.
     
  20. kamran1998 macrumors member

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    I wasn’t able to connect to my server so I checked up on it and realized it was frozen. Had to do a hard shutdown and reboot the system...experienced this for the first time. Apple needs to fix these bugs, absolutely critical my server remains on 24/7 for surveillance and home automation
     
  21. kamran1998 macrumors member

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    My server crashed again with some frozen graphic....don't update!! Also the RAID on my external drive lost a hard drive after changing file system
     

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