Is there an "El Capitan Sucks" thread?

Discussion in 'OS X El Capitan (10.11)' started by now i see it, Feb 24, 2017.

  1. now i see it macrumors 68040

    Jan 2, 2002
  2. DeltaMac macrumors G3


    Jul 30, 2003
    Looks like you started your own.

    I hope that others don't hate on me for asking:
    Maybe you should start with issues in El Capitan that no one else has reported?

    You can review the list of similar threads at the bottom of this page :D
    Most started more than a year ago.
    It's hard to keep up to date when you have complaints!
  3. TMRJIJ macrumors 68040


    Dec 12, 2011
    South Carolina, United States
    You could have just ranted on this thread. That way it may take longer to be wasteland'ed.
  4. now i see it thread starter macrumors 68040

    Jan 2, 2002
    Well since its very obvious when comparing the legibility of Snow Leopard to the amazing illegiblity of El Capitan side by side, that Apple is intentionally trashing Mac OS to make iOS seem nicer.

    There's just no other reason. Everything looks worse in El Crap. Everything. And they know it. It's intentional. The freaking OS promotes eye strain. Im now getting eye strain playing with it. Never happened with Snow Leopard. I'm ok with flat icons, but the choice of color palette and brilliant white windows and the illegiblity of all the grey text and file names is a disaster. It looks so much worse than system 7 circa 1995. Wow.
    (Yes I've set "increase contrast" in settings).

    There is something sinister behind this train wreck they've created with the mac.

    And that's just the GUI.

    Now about system responsiveness...
  5. DeltaMac macrumors G3


    Jul 30, 2003
    System legibility is also tied into the display that is used. And, with the advent of the retina displays, the system is really headed toward making that high density screen pixels as the norm for the use of the system.

    (I'm guessing that you have not spent any time using any retina Mac :D )

    just my 2 cents: the Increase Contrast setting is really designed as part of the visual compensation for vision-challenged folks.
    If you changed that setting, then that would make some parts of your GUI "over-sharp". As you can see, that sort of "adjustment" to the system means that there are a lot of compromises at play.
    I hope you did not move the "Display Contrast" control to the right, away from "Normal". If you did, setting that back to the left might even show you that it has been affecting the rest of your GUI, too. Just a little too far to the right can fuzz everything out.
    I find it hard to compare anything in macOS to the old classic Mac OS (worked as a Mac tech at that time), and there's a huge difference with macOS providing full-time font smoothing and other font display technologies that just didn't work well at that time. (I guess you might say it still doesn't work, at least to your satisfaction)
    So, I don't agree with much of your assessment, although there are areas I would really like to see - like the option to go to some kind of darker GUI. There's some progress, with a dark dock and menubar, but those bright white windows annoy me at times, too. There are a small number of apps that give you a dark interface, but then when you leave that app, the system jumps right back at you.
    And, Sierra beta has added the night shift feature, which is quite impressive (turning it off for a moment is an unpleasant experience late at night :D )
    I expect that whatever is coming in the next release for mac OS, you may see your dark interface, or some iteration going closer to that.
  6. nordique macrumors 65816

    Oct 12, 2014

    No unfortunately El Capitain doesn't suck so such a thread hasn't been created :p

    (For real, El cap is one of Apples best, bug free, stable releases....a 180 from did a good job with optimization on El Cap. Reminiscent of Mountain Lion and how much improved it was from Lion. Sorry to hear you're having a frustrating experience)
  7. Morpheo macrumors 65816


    Feb 26, 2014
    On non-retina screens, font smoothing doesn't look too bad in the Finder and menus, but in browsers and most apps it kinda sucks. They shouldn't have changed the system font, lucida grande looks great even in 10.10 and later.
  8. Pojo99 macrumors newbie

    Mar 28, 2015
    Ok on ios 10.2.1 when I use the built in calculator it shows what math symbol I want to perform after I tap it. Say, 8 x 7. On OS X 10.11.6 try the same thing and you will see...the x symbol is not outlined in bold! How am I supposed to remember what math symbol I tapped?! It got so bad with some homework that I had to put down the Snow Leopard Macbook Pro beside me just to use its calculator. (This was an assignment where I had to keep multiple calculations stored. I was using my phone calculator, a TI solar calculator, and unfortunately the Snow Leopard calculator.)

    Proof positive of the "crippling" of OS X compared to ios;)

    If sierra fixes this I might upgrade, but I have a 2012 macbook pro. I've heard "stories" that my dvd drive might be non-functional in the new OS because of "progress." Someone said I would have to download a third party app!
    --- Post Merged, Mar 7, 2017 ---
    After further testing, OS X does indeed appear to "highlight" typed in arithmetic symbols in the calculator, but it does so by a cheesy line doubling effect instead of a true bolding like the iphone. The result was still almost imperceptible to me on the macbook pro unless I stared at it for a second. I even tried playing around with increase contrast but it didn't highlight the area that needed it the most. I did find a thread on the apple support forums saying I could use the Snow Leopard Calc application, so I'll try that for now.
  9. ProTruckDriver macrumors regular


    Jul 28, 2016
    Chesapeake, Virginia
    Sorry to hear you're having a bad experience with El Capitan. I haven't found any problems with it on my computer. In fact this is my first Apple computer and I am very satisfied with it. You can see what I'm running in my signature. I'm glad I spent the money on what I got. :)
  10. givemeanapple macrumors Demi-God


    Oct 2, 2016
    It's funny because El Capitan is by far the best OS from the last 4 years performance wise.
  11. doublesupercool macrumors member

    Apr 15, 2009
    Hmmm, I installed it on the weekend on my early 2011 MBP with 16 gig RAM and a new 750gig HD and everything, everything on my puter is chugging like a dog. Word basically pauses for 5-10 seconds doing anything (no surprise, but didn't happen last week), Logic Pro just crashed for the first time in . . . a very long time. File stuff, apps opening. Everything is way, way slower than Yosemite.
  12. redheeler macrumors 604


    Oct 17, 2014
    No Apple is not conspiring to make iOS seem nicer than MacOS, but they do want consistency in UI design which I understand. The new font is designed with newer displays in mind, especially Retina displays; so it may look slightly less legible than Lucida Grande on older displays as a result.
  13. Morpheo macrumors 65816


    Feb 26, 2014
    Yet you get used to it and after a while you don't pay attention - San Francisco is in fact better for the eyes than Yosemite's Helvetica, so that's a plus for El Capitan actually.
  14. saudor macrumors 6502a

    Jul 18, 2011
    macOS since at least mavericks likes fast SSD disks. it'll make a big difference in responsiveness
  15. simonsi macrumors 601


    Jan 3, 2014
    Option 1 - guess whats wrong
    Option 2 - Use the Activity Monitor to see what is actually using cpu (hence making "everything" else slow), and act/ask accordingly...

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