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Is there any proof that Samsung panels > LG panels?
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I spent sometime calibrating the 13" Samsung panel with my Spyder3 Elite yesterday.
Profiled at 6500k @ 2.2 Gamma. Can't decide if I prefer the original which feels more accurate. Anyhows here's a share, if you have one I'd love to grab it too.
macbook_air_9CF0
Profiled at 6500k @ 2.2 Gamma. Can't decide if I prefer the original which feels more accurate. Anyhows here's a share, if you have one I'd love to grab it too.
macbook_air_9CF0
Here's a quick image, ideally you should see all 8 shades of each color...
The 13" prev gen Samsung and new LG Airs, I tried both clipped some of them, 15/17 MBPros were fine.
Monitor calibration will help.
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by the way...notebookcheck and anandtech did a relatively quantitative measures of panels on 13" MBAs.
The notebook check measured the samsung variant 9CF0 (LTH133BT01A01), while anandtech doesn't mention which panel they received.
Here are the measurements for samsung from notebookcheck:
Maximum: 341 cd/m²
Average: 306.8 cd/m²
Brightness Distribution: 77 %
Center on Battery: 333 cd/m²
Black: 0.52 cd/m²
Contrast: 640:1
Anandtech, on the other hand got this on unspecified panel manufacturer:
White Brightness: 427 cd/m²
Black level: 0.54 cd/m²
Contrast: 785:1
Possibilities:
1. they got different panels and the Samsung is quantitatively worse
2. they got the same panel but their measurement methods are different/calibrated differently
3. they got the same panel, but the manufacturer has crazy variability.
in any case, anandtech is reviewing the newer models now. Perhaps we can ask him this time to specify the panel manufacturer. If that is available, a better comparison could be made.
The notebook check measured the samsung variant 9CF0 (LTH133BT01A01), while anandtech doesn't mention which panel they received.
Here are the measurements for samsung from notebookcheck:
Maximum: 341 cd/m²
Average: 306.8 cd/m²
Brightness Distribution: 77 %
Center on Battery: 333 cd/m²
Black: 0.52 cd/m²
Contrast: 640:1
Anandtech, on the other hand got this on unspecified panel manufacturer:
White Brightness: 427 cd/m²
Black level: 0.54 cd/m²
Contrast: 785:1
Possibilities:
1. they got different panels and the Samsung is quantitatively worse
2. they got the same panel but their measurement methods are different/calibrated differently
3. they got the same panel, but the manufacturer has crazy variability.
in any case, anandtech is reviewing the newer models now. Perhaps we can ask him this time to specify the panel manufacturer. If that is available, a better comparison could be made.
Copy it into ColorSync Profiles:
Finder > Cmd + shift + G > ~/Library/ColorSync/Profiles/
System preferences > Displays > Color
make sure Show profiles for this display only is unchecked, then select 9CF0
Finder > Cmd + shift + G > ~/Library/ColorSync/Profiles/
System preferences > Displays > Color
make sure Show profiles for this display only is unchecked, then select 9CF0
This is a storm in a teacup... You do understand that 98% percent of Air owners will never know of the existence of two panels, let alone try to discuss their subjective merits?
That's why they're not on here and we are.
Nope.. Since the graphic in the air are much better than the doomsday scenarios led to believe , panel origin seems to be the de facto issue to complain about
Nope.. Since the graphic in the air are much better than the doomsday scenarios led to believe , panel origin seems to be the de facto issue to complain about
I would complain about the GPU if I needed it. It's the reason why I don't need a MBP.
This is a storm in a teacup... You do understand that 98% percent of Air owners will never know of the existence of two panels, let alone try to discuss their subjective merits?
I completely agree. If you're happy with it, why change it?!?
Don't know how this can be interpreted but just for the report:
On a 2011 MBP 13":
LP133WX3-TLA4 (9CC5)
The 2 last red are 1 block, the 2 last green are kinda ok, the 2 last blue are barely distinguishable, the grey could be better.
On a 2011 MBA 13" i5 (toshiba ssd)
LP133WP1-TJA3 (9CDF)
The last 4 red are 1 block, the 3 last green are 1 block, the blue are ok, and the grey are ok but depending a lot on your vertical axis of vision.
Both with default calibration.
I know I'm anal about these things but I'm wondering wether or not to trade back in the recent MBA against another.
Tomorrow if I find the time I'll try on a MBA 13" of 2010. I already know it's a LP133something by the way, maybe they only send LP133 stuff to France?
On a 2011 MBP 13":
LP133WX3-TLA4 (9CC5)
The 2 last red are 1 block, the 2 last green are kinda ok, the 2 last blue are barely distinguishable, the grey could be better.
On a 2011 MBA 13" i5 (toshiba ssd)
LP133WP1-TJA3 (9CDF)
The last 4 red are 1 block, the 3 last green are 1 block, the blue are ok, and the grey are ok but depending a lot on your vertical axis of vision.
Both with default calibration.
I know I'm anal about these things but I'm wondering wether or not to trade back in the recent MBA against another.
Tomorrow if I find the time I'll try on a MBA 13" of 2010. I already know it's a LP133something by the way, maybe they only send LP133 stuff to France?
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So far I've only seen 1 report about reading the contrast on the low end side. On my 2010 13" LG they're all individual blocks, all the way to the left most block which is black across all colors. The samsung on 2010 MBA as reported wasn't able to show the darkest 2~3 bars properly. You can say samsung has blacker black because it's not able to show slight difference lighter black?
Can somebody please explain how they do the associations between the LTH and LP numbers with Samsung and LG, respectively?
I remember with the late 2010 Airs people were usually talking about two different kinds of numbers that come up when looking in system preferences under displays and then going to item #17. The discussion back then was between 9CF0 and 9CDF. Now my new display is an LP one, and also 9CDF. Is it true that 9CDF=LP=LG and 9CF0=LTH=Samsung?
I remember clearly that the *rumor* at the time was (about as well backed up as the current display rumors) that 9CDF was superior to 9CF0. With the current generation is it the other way around?
I remember with the late 2010 Airs people were usually talking about two different kinds of numbers that come up when looking in system preferences under displays and then going to item #17. The discussion back then was between 9CF0 and 9CDF. Now my new display is an LP one, and also 9CDF. Is it true that 9CDF=LP=LG and 9CF0=LTH=Samsung?
I remember clearly that the *rumor* at the time was (about as well backed up as the current display rumors) that 9CDF was superior to 9CF0. With the current generation is it the other way around?
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I was a little bummed cuz I just got back with my new baby and have the LG display (but the Samsung SSD). But it looks really good to me, especially after calibrating with SuperCal. Then I looked at the image and I can clearly see all shades. Overall I'm thrilled!
The only thing that is a little weird is I swear the text isn't as crisp as it should be. It seems a little jagged. I'm going to have to see if there's something I have to tweak.
Yeah, I did just download the free one. If you use the free one, it says it sets some of the values to default values, but I went with it anyway as a test. It is a little on the cool side but I kind of like it. (My friend says it's a little too blue.) But the colors pop much more (compared to the default) and since I don't do any design stuff, it's good for me. If I can figure out how to post my profile, I will.
PS...I'm now not worried about the jagged text. I never noticed it before but I went back to my Macbook Pro and iMac and they also were the same way. When I looked closely at them, it was the same. It happens mainly on websites with light back grounds and black text.
Good post. Do you know how to contact Anandtech?
I think this debate should be settled once and for all, since it's getting ridiculously speculative.
How difficult is it to do an objective test?
When I look at this from my new Air 13" with an LG display the reds blend. However when I look at the same graphic on the same Air 13" via internet explorer using fusion all the reds separate.
The plot thickens.
Personally I think it's beautiful and with the Toshiba hard-drive it seems to perform great. That said, I really don't have another one loaded with Samsung to compare it with. But paying all the money I did for this thing and reading all the FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) on this forum is no fun.