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Is there going to be a 12 or 13" MBP?

sparkie7

sparkie7

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seems to me there is still a gap in the market for a compact laptop with all the ports, connections, speed and power
 
I think Apple looks at it like this... We have two 13" models (Air, MacBook), a 15" (MacBook Pro), and a 17" (MacBook Pro). They don't see a gap in the lineup, and quite truthfully, neither do I.
 
AlexH said:
I think Apple looks at it like this... We have two 13" models (Air, MacBook), a 15" (MacBook Pro), and a 17" (MacBook Pro). They don't see a gap in the lineup, and quite truthfully, neither do I.
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NEITHER the Air or MacBooks are pro grade. No FW800 or FW400, limited USB2 ports, slower CPUs/GPUs, Guess you're blind :D
 
sparkie7 said:
care to point me to a relevant post
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Sure:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/15mbair.html

This one, on the Apple site, introducing the MacBook Air.

This IS the '12" MacBook Pro'. Get used to it. Apple doesn't care about "pro" stuff anymore. Aaaand in response to your other thread about virtually the same thing, you'll never be buying a MacBook Air, then, as Apple will be dropping FireWire altogether soon enough.
 
sparkie7 said:
NEITHER the Air or MacBooks are pro grade. No FW800 or FW400, limited USB2 ports, slower CPUs/GPUs, Guess you're blind :D
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Kinda harsh wouldn't you say? :rolleyes:

Do you really expect the same performance in a small package? Really? If so, you're expectations are unreasonable.
 
AlexH said:
Kinda harsh wouldn't you say? :rolleyes:

Do you really expect the same performance in a small package? Really? If so, you're expectations are unreasonable.
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hmmm.. every year miniaturisation occurs across the board. so I completely think my expectations are realistic, reasonable and sane. look at where we are today compared to say a decade ago
 
But if you remember back though... the current MacBooks, compared to the new MacBook Pros, are roughly(save for FireWire) the same as the old 12" PB compared to 15". let's take, for example, the Rev D PowerBooks (the 12" didn't get through to Rev E).

1.5Ghz vs 1.67GHz (0.17 difference. About the same as now)
GeForce FX Go5200 64MB vs ATi Mobility Radeon 9700 128MB
80GB 5400RPM equal.
512MB standard on both, PC2700 DDR333
Similar WiFi
Mini DVI on 12" versus Full DVI on 15"
Same SuperDrive
12" had only one FW400 versus 15" had FW800

As you can see, the 12" PowerBook then wasn't really an equal either. In terms of specs, the 12" PBs, compared to current MacBooks, are about the same spot in comparison to the 15"s...
 
sparkie7 said:
So what happens to all the millions of users with FW devices?

And what is the alternative for hi-speed connection to back up, video ete, etc?

via the Express port? -- even this is/likely to be dropped
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I'm not saying Apple's right here mate. I'm saying is, they've dropped the hammer, and it's not really gonna get called back. And they're also saying that FW is dying. That's the thing.
 
raymondu999 said:
I'm not saying Apple's right here mate. I'm saying is, they've dropped the hammer, and it's not really gonna get called back. And they're also saying that FW is dying. That's the thing.
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it just doesn't make sense. if I saw a succession to FW then I'd see Apple's vision. Unless of course theirs is totally wireless. Imagine backing up 150GB of work wirelessly?!?

If they went the eSATA route, I'd get it. or even fibre channel :D
 
I think they're seeing that only the most pro will need firewire. The masses have been reduced to USB.
 
raymondu999 said:
I think they're seeing that only the most pro will need firewire. The masses have been reduced to USB.
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i got the impression Apple were dropping FW completely

If they are keeping it in their future MBP's then thats cool.
 
Your impressions are correct. Expect to see less and less of FW from Apple outside what they consider their truly "pro" lineup.
sparkie7 said:
care to point me to a relevant post
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Yeah it's this one you created here. The trolling is cute though.

troll-web.jpg
 
oh, the troll route. I wish I was one. But I'm not

Add something to the discussion or PO

If you can't handle a frank discussion then go watch TV
 
I consider the Macbook a semi pro machine. Excluding the aesthetics, it has the same CPU as the baseline Pro, good graphics, good battery life, backlit keyboard, and a lot of wireless connectivity.

The old 12" Powerbook had a crummy 4:3 1024 x 768 screen and a far slower processor than its 15" cousin.
 
nick9191 said:
I consider the Macbook a semi pro machine. Excluding the aesthetics, it has the same CPU as the baseline Pro, good graphics, good battery life, backlit keyboard, and a lot of wireless connectivity.

The old 12" Powerbook had a crummy 4:3 1024 x 768 screen and a far slower processor than its 15" cousin.
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I agree. the new Macbook is an awesome deal. Apple have upgraded this range hugely, and blurred the mass and pro lines in doing so.

All I'm saying is that Apple should release a 12" MBP as I think there is a segment of users who will buy it. Me included :D
 
sparkie. seriously. this is the 2029330th thread on this. please dont try to fight for it.

if you dont have a NEW topic, then please dont start a new thread. find and old thread dig it up and post on there.
 
Honestly, the pros will have to buy the 15 inch MBP if they need FW, end of discussion.

There's no way in hell that Apple will release ANOTHER identical Macbook model with more ports and a better videocard. Think of it: they would then have a much larger selection at that screen size than they usually have.

Anyway, most people don't even use FW: I would have loved to, but all FW devices cost so much more than identical USB devices. I got a 1TB hard drive last year for 200$, the cheapest FW one I could find was over 300$. Pros will miss out I guess, but what can you do?
 
f1400 said:
Honestly, the pros will have to buy the 15 inch MBP if they need FW, end of discussion.

There's no way in hell that Apple will release ANOTHER identical Macbook model with more ports and a better videocard. Think of it: they would then have a much larger selection at that screen size than they usually have.

Anyway, most people don't even use FW: I would have loved to, but all FW devices cost so much more than identical USB devices. I got a 1TB hard drive last year for 200$, the cheapest FW one I could find was over 300$. Pros will miss out I guess, but what can you do?
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Lets not get our topics muddled. I'm talking about a 12 or 13 MacBook Pro. NOT a 12 or 13" MacBook

Yes much larger selection = Choice

Choice is a good thing

FW costs more, b/c it has its advantages over USB. Pros can afford it & justify it and do :D
 
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