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Is there going to be a 12 or 13" MBP?
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** Double YAWN **
here it is again...
A "Pro" (AKA Professional) is anyone who makes their living with their machine. Not some muppet sitting around their bedroom watching youtube and "surfing" the net. and MSN chat.
The current Aluminum (or aluminium as per video
) MacBook can do anything the Pro can do, besides firewire (but woopty dooooo)!I run final cut, photoshop and all those heavy programs no problem on this machine, and its a 2.0 with 2GB of ram.
I also run games, such as counter-strike source and COD4 at playable framerates. I get 80FPS for source and around 40FPS on COD4, sure I could pay $1000 to upgrade to the "pro" but if my current MacBook does everything fine, then why should I dishout the extra money.
And if Apple were to release a 12" notebook, then there would probably be thousands of threads how the 12" MacBook pro excluded so many features. You really have to think about it, it's hard to fit these incredible components in a smaller shell, there is no way they will be able to fit everything the 15" has into a 12" shell.
/end discussion.
my guess is not...esp with the new motherboard, its limited to the number of port spaces and might just end up like a MacBook
The current Aluminum (or aluminium as per video
I run final cut, photoshop and all those heavy programs no problem on this machine, and its a 2.0 with 2GB of ram.
I also run games, such as counter-strike source and COD4 at playable framerates. I get 80FPS for source and around 40FPS on COD4, sure I could pay $1000 to upgrade to the "pro" but if my current MacBook does everything fine, then why should I dishout the extra money.
And if Apple were to release a 12" notebook, then there would probably be thousands of threads how the 12" MacBook pro excluded so many features. You really have to think about it, it's hard to fit these incredible components in a smaller shell, there is no way they will be able to fit everything the 15" has into a 12" shell.
/end discussion.
its clear you are not a heavy/intensive user.
its not hard. the proof was in the G4 PB12" they crammed it all in there.
with constant miniaturisation its all possible
if i remember correctly the 12" PBook didn't have PCMCIA port, less powerful graphic card and was thicker too compared the the same year 15". I am probably forgetting some more but you see where i'm going. If Apple came with a 12" laptop it'll still be less powerful than the 15" and people who wanted one will still whine about it
I think the new MacBooks were expected to be the 13" MBP everyone has been whining about.
I would get one of the new MacBooks, but I just keep hearing so many horror stories regarding the screens. I will wait until the next upgrade/revision.
I would get one of the new MacBooks, but I just keep hearing so many horror stories regarding the screens. I will wait until the next upgrade/revision.
That would be me. And I could do my job just fine on the MB. So....guess you'll have to stop bitching now.
Oh wait, did you mean professional musician? Professional videographer? Professional what?
I've got usually 2-3 VM's running, terminal, and RDP open up at all times on my 2.4Ghz MBP......with the 9400m. So it's basically an MB with a big screen. I don't use either the express card slot or the FW800.
I'm not saying I fit everything it means to be using a machine "professionally"; that would be an asinine claim. But seriously, these threads about a "professional small laptop" are getting retarded. The MB can be used professionally. It is a far superior laptop to the 12" PB, which was a "professional" laptop. Yes, lack of FW sucks. there's nothing that can be done about it though, so e-mail Apple about it if it pisses you off so much.
Could you define "heavy/intensive user" then? because I think I'm someone an intense user. I push my computer a lot, by having tons of **** open and doing multiple tasks at once, such as photoshopping while having final cut open.
how big are your photoshop files?
At just 2GB memory, you will be paging out and swapping and writing to your scratch disks.
Both the MB and MBP have the same 6GB RAM limit, so that's irrelevant to the debate. and the 12" PB was limited to 1.25GB of RAM as opposed to the 2GB of the 15" PB.
Well I make money from my machines as a web designer/as prorammer and FW has never factored into it. Currently I'm using a MB with an unused FW port. Does this mean I'm not a pro?
A lightweight Pro.
shifting 72dpi files, flash and coding. all adequate on a MB
True. The 12" PB was a bit on the piggy side, proportion wise.
That guy was working on a 2GB machine. My comment was based on this hardware. I know about the 6GB usability on the MB and MBPs. I'm testing it on my machine currently
Jesus, you really are a troll. People give you multiple different examples of heavier usage and you discount each one. You have still yet to define what "pro" is.
No. I'm not a troll.
And i'm not discounting anything. Do I have to repeat myself for the 2nd time?
"Pro" is anyone who makes their primary income and living off their machine.
There are different levels of Pro usage in terms of power, transfer, usability.
Sparkie... why don't you just give it up? You're starting to insult folks ("lightweight Pro") and if you were just fishing for an answer to your question, you wouldn't be so argumentative. For the record, my opinion - No. There won't be a 12/13" MBP. In fact the designation MBP may just disappear also. What's with the dumb "Pro" designation anyway, and who the heck cares? The 12" Powerbook wasn't a MBP. Even the Powerbook wasn't a MBP, or at least it didn't refer to itself as a "pro" anything.
I developed interactive websites and built apps using Visual Studio 6, Java, DB2, Dreamweaver/Fireworks, Photoshop, and other software, and actually earned a living working much of the time with an underpowered, somewhat clunky Thinkpad A20m with a 12" screen, 550mhz celeron, no firewire, no USB 2. I did have dual pc slots, though. I never saw "pro" stamped on my laptop. Was it a "pro" machine? I guess it was...
No doubt many "pros" can get the job done with a MB. The way I figure it... a "pro" will buy whatever tools he/she needs to get the job done, and won't be sitting around waiting for someone to make it for him. A real "pro" can choose from and adapt existing technologies as needed. Maybe Apple will listen to these folks in the future as they used to, but one way or another a "pro" will still manage to find a way, even if using a product more targeted to the consumer market. Today's consumer market laptop is way more powerful than yesterday's "pro" model, any way you look at it.
I developed interactive websites and built apps using Visual Studio 6, Java, DB2, Dreamweaver/Fireworks, Photoshop, and other software, and actually earned a living working much of the time with an underpowered, somewhat clunky Thinkpad A20m with a 12" screen, 550mhz celeron, no firewire, no USB 2. I did have dual pc slots, though. I never saw "pro" stamped on my laptop. Was it a "pro" machine? I guess it was...
No doubt many "pros" can get the job done with a MB. The way I figure it... a "pro" will buy whatever tools he/she needs to get the job done, and won't be sitting around waiting for someone to make it for him. A real "pro" can choose from and adapt existing technologies as needed. Maybe Apple will listen to these folks in the future as they used to, but one way or another a "pro" will still manage to find a way, even if using a product more targeted to the consumer market. Today's consumer market laptop is way more powerful than yesterday's "pro" model, any way you look at it.
Then I don't get it. The macbook can qualify under your definition of "levels". Does apple just need to slap on a "Pro" after that macbook for you to be satisfied?
Exactly this years ultra portable is much more powerful that last years. An air is much more powerful than a 12" Powerbook. I would love a 12" Macbook(it clearly wont be a pro) but it wont happen.
And you've been given 3 or more examples, of which you've said "lightweight" or "not intensive".
you don't have to repeat yourself, but you do have to be more specific. What do you do for a living? Perhaps we'll judge you as to whether or not it's "lightweight" or "intensive".
Sorry dude, I push around much larger files than 72dpi.
pdxflint brings up a good point. A pro uses whatever equipment they have on hand to get the job done while an amateur whines that its not labeled "Pro".