Is this illegal?

Discussion in 'Buying Tips and Advice' started by Mac_i_Am, Mar 17, 2011.

  1. Mac_i_Am macrumors member

    Nov 22, 2004
    I have a 250GB hard drive taken from my Macbook Pro that I am trying to sell. It has top software like iWorks, MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, Final Cut Pro, and bunch more.

    It's not illegal for me to sell the hard drive with all these in them, is it?

    p.s. - i'm in the US.
  2. entropi macrumors 6502

    May 20, 2008
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    of course it is! (if you don't sell the licenses - with serials & discs - to all software too)
  3. Mac_i_Am thread starter macrumors member

    Nov 22, 2004
    I've had the HD for a long time and moved enough times where I dont know where the original disks are.

    Now I have to delete all the software before someone can buy my macbook or HD? :confused: :(
  4. Cyberheart macrumors member


    Mar 14, 2011
    it is but who cares everyone is pirating anyways in other countries especially if your to worried about it dont do it then just wipe the drive clean before you sell it.
  5. OllyW Moderator


    Staff Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    The Black Country, England
    It's common sense to wipe / re-format your HDs on anything you sell because of the amount of your personal information that will have accumulated while you have been using it.
  6. Cyberheart macrumors member


    Mar 14, 2011
    Many people dont format properly try to do it the proper way 35 security wipe the government uses that option there is no chance of recovery but it takes like 8 hours to finish
  7. Matthew Yohe macrumors 68020

    Oct 12, 2006
    Yeah, I lose my Adobe Creative Suite, Office, and Final Cut Pro DVDs all the time...

    I think the illegal part is you're trying to sell this software that you don't even own in the first place.
  8. Dustman macrumors 65816


    Apr 17, 2007
    You dont need to include the original CDs for it to be legal. You just can't use the software anymore legally if you find them as you would have sold the usage licenses to the customer. Its perfectly legal, but only one copy can be being used at a time.
  9. jdsmoooth macrumors member

    Oct 30, 2007
    Pittsburgh, PA
    The discs aren't the issue. If you sell the licenses with it that's fine. If you don't actually own the license to the software or you continue to use the software after you sell your laptop.... That's called hard loading the drive.
  10. omegaphil6 macrumors 6502

    Jul 19, 2002
    Fort Myers Florida
    if you list the hard drive with the disclaimer that the software installed on the hard drive is for demonstration purposes only and that the new owner needs to purchase lisenses for the appropriate software should they choose to continue using it, or delete it. Then you will have no problems.

    HOnestly, if software companies didnt charge hundreds of dollars for software and just made them all $9.99 each then we would all buy the software and never need to pirate it. Sure the software would be less profit for the software companies per indiviual sale but i bet their sales would increase about 1000 times fold.
  11. blevins321 macrumors 68030

    Dec 24, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    I think Adobe (at least, maybe more) will recognize that the computer that is running the software is different and will require reactivation.
  12. iStudentUK macrumors 65816


    Mar 8, 2009
    Do you know the person you are selling to? If not beware of leaving info in the drive, I'd wipe it.

    Nobody is going to know about the programmes. You said you have lost the discs, so you aren't getting any use out of them. I don't know if technically they should be handed over or not, but who cares? Morally you are in the clear.
  13. Hirakata macrumors 6502


    Mar 17, 2011
    Burbank, CA
    Really? In an age where billions of $.99 songs are stolen every year?
  14. vincenz macrumors 601


    Oct 20, 2008
    I don't think there had been even one recorded case where someone has been able to pull any info from a hard drive that has been formatted with the quickest option. That 8 hour format is pointless.
  15. Darth.Titan macrumors 68030


    Oct 31, 2007
    Austin, TX
    Who sells a hard drive without reformatting it first?
  16. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    It's illegal.

  17. omegaphil6 macrumors 6502

    Jul 19, 2002
    Fort Myers Florida
    Yeah, i dont know anyone who has ever paid for their entire music catalog. even before the iTunes store, one person bought a CD and everyone would rip it. and before that you record the music off the radio. Music is different because it is unidirection. you listen to it, you dont interact with it.

    Software is different. Now i dont know if you own Adobe CS (in any variation) or the old Macromedia suites or even Corel Draw suites, but i do know that i would be more inclined to purchase them all if their individual components were $9.99 ea.

    Photoshop for $9.99 each year is a no brainer for anyone. $499 however... nah, i'll find someone who has it and have them burn me a copy.
  18. mr.steevo macrumors 65816


    Jul 21, 2004
    The "government" removes the hard drive before selling the computer.
  19. snberk103 macrumors 603

    Oct 22, 2007
    An Island in the Salish Sea
    Good parenting skills.

    "Go ahead little Sally. It's OK to steal from WalMat 'cause they make a $Billions a year (obviously charging too us too much), but don't steal from the nice fellow who runs the corner store because that would be bad?"

    It's illegal. Don't do it.
  20. omegaphil6 macrumors 6502

    Jul 19, 2002
    Fort Myers Florida
    i dont know anyone named Sally, and you know you havent paid for everything on your computer.
  21. Charlie Sheen macrumors 6502

    Charlie Sheen

    Mar 9, 2011
    So this subject seems to be clear. But it is legal to sell a music cd you bought in a store and don't have any mp3 rips on your computer anymore. But what if i buy music from amazon and burn them on a cd. Can i sell the cd to someone if i delete all the mp3s?

    So the case is this
    1. Download music from amazon
    2. Burn on cd
    3. Delete files from compiter and other medias
    4. Sell cd you just burned.
    5. Getting sued by the music industrie?
  22. robanga macrumors 68000


    Aug 25, 2007
    It seems a violation of fair use to do that, although i have never read the law. Good question for an attorney that has read it.

    There was a company doing this for a while, you would send them your CD collection they would burn them to mp3s and then send you a link to grab the files. They would then keep the CD's and sell them.

    Not sure if they are still around.
  23. snberk103 macrumors 603

    Oct 22, 2007
    An Island in the Salish Sea
    The only "unpaid" applications on my computer are licensed "freeware". I hunt them down with as much passion as anyone else.

    I have made donations to NeoOffice because it forms a large portion of my workflow. I have not needed to get tech support from them, so the donation was just that. A "Thank You".

    Among other things, I teach photography. Any images I use in my classes that I have found on the internet I credit to the creator. I will use Tin Eye to confirm authorship of images if I am not certain where it came from. Or I will find another image. Using images this way is allowed under existing legislation.

    Our friends got married in our backyard this past summer, and gave me 3 songs to play. We already owned 2, and I bought a the 3rd song from iTunes to stay "legal".

    I buy the Family Pack of Apple software because we have multiple Macs at home.

    As a photographer I create intellectual property, often in digital form. I want people to pay for my IP - it's how I make my living. I owe it to other authors of IP to respect their IP.

    By being very careful about what I do regarding software and other IP, I can adopt a "holier than ... " attitude with confidence.

    I don't know anyone called 'Sally' either, but 'Johnny' keeps getting a bum rap. And I had Sally Struthers on my mind after watching Steve McQueen in Getaway last night.

    Bonus Trivia Question: Which Canadian iconic folksinger had their music used in the movie? Hint: He thinks my name is 'Larry.'

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