M3Jedi77

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Just seems pretty quiet in here, particularly when thinking about how many people have been begging for the 7,1 (which arrives in 2 days) for years.

Is there a better place to discuss options, accessories, etc? A better Mac forum, or Facebook Group?
 
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IndioX

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No, you're completely wrong here ;- )
but you will find many posts in the forum here that should answer all your questions.
 
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Unless I've missed something, there's no sign of fantastic clearance deals on the 2013 cylindrical "Trash Can" Mac Pro model either.....
 
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Macshroomer

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Well we are going into the holidays and these things are just starting to ship. Once more people get their hands on the 7,1 I suspect it will liven up.
 
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defjam

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I agree that it is very quiet. There was a lot of activity up until Tuesday. I was surprised as I thought once the 2019 Mac Pro was available to order we'd see all kinds of discussions about it. For something people have waited for for so long there's relatively little discussion.
 
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MGrayson3

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The lull is waiting for actual units to land in the hands of users. They will run simple tests, and the torrent will start of "Threadripper, Ryzen, whatever, crushes, obliterates, humiliates, defenestrates, annihilates, percolates, laminates, and otherwise waves its private parts at" the Mac Pro. Throw in a few "the stand is a ripoff" for old time's sake.

Actual users, knowing their actual use case and exactly what to expect, will be happy.

Then we'll hear from people who are trying to upgrade less expensive orders with their own sourced parts. Some of these will work, others will be frustrated. In the former case, Apple will be excoriated for price gouging. In the later case, Apple will be excoriated for deliberately using a proprietary interface so they can price gouge.
 
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The lull is waiting for actual units to land in the hands of users. They will run simple tests, and the torrent will start of "Threadripper, Ryzen, whatever, crushes, obliterates, humiliates, defenestrates, annihilates, percolates, laminates, and otherwise waves its private parts at" the Mac Pro. Throw in a few "the stand is a ripoff" for old time's sake.
All reasonable points if true.

Actual users, knowing their actual use case and exactly what to expect, will be happy.
Up until Tuesday Mac users were happy with the 2013 Mac Pro, MBP, or iMac Pro. Now that the 2019 Mac Pro has arrived they're amazed at how fast it is. Meanwhile on the other side of the tracks people like the new Mac Pro but don't think it's anything to write home about because they've had similar capabilities for years.
 
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MGrayson3

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All reasonable points if true.


Up until Tuesday Mac users were happy with the 2013 Mac Pro, MBP, or iMac Pro. Now that the 2019 Mac Pro has arrived they're amazed at how fast it is. Meanwhile on the other side of the tracks people like the new Mac Pro but don't think it's anything to write home about because they've had similar capabilities for years.
Mac users are not, by and large, stupid or delusional. There is a trade off, and they choose a different balance of raw power vs. a more agreeable system. As with Prius and SUV drivers, each thinks the balance chosen by the other is idiotic.

Some situations are compute constrained. Then you use whatever gets more work done. Otherwise, well here’s a true story: I worked on a Cray 2 in 1989. I ran a numerical simulation on my Mac IIfx which took two days to code (in Pascal!)and six hours to run. The Cray development environment was batch jobs. Code. Submit. Get error report. Rinse. Repeat. It took two weeks to get the code running, and 1/10 second for it to run. Which computer was faster?

Of course, if I were simulating galaxy formation, the Cray would pull ahead very quickly. The point is that we are not all running 100% all the time, and the other stuff matters.
 
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defjam

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Mac users are not, by and large, stupid or delusional. There is a trade off, and they choose a different balance of raw power vs. a more agreeable system. As with Prius and SUV drivers, each thinks the balance chosen by the other is idiotic.
Yet they tolerated systems which were suboptimal for their tasks.
 
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MisterAndrew

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If you think this is quiet you must be new here. This forum isn't quite as busy as some of the other forums, but there is regular activity and lots of knowledgeable people who are passionate about the Mac Pro. Some of us prefer it here because it's not so busy.
 
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M3Jedi77

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For anyone interested, here is my $1000 gaming PC vs 5K iMac 2014 vs Base Mac Pro (photoshop benchmark only).

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davidec

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Well it’s quieter than you think. There will be only one Mac Pro on display in all of the Australian Apple stores and only about 50 were sold on day one and less that again since.
 
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M3Jedi77

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Well it’s quieter than you think. There will be only one Mac Pro on display in all of the Australian Apple stores and only about 50 were sold on day one and less that again since.

Where were those numbers posted?
 
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this forums useful info / activity ratio is much higher than the rest of macrumors. the iphone forum has been lost to complete degenerates, and the macbook pro forum used to be good until it got overrun by people complaining that their battery health indicator for their brand new MBP says 99.8% instead of 100% or that using final cut pro while connected to an external display causes their computers fans to ramp up from 1800 to 2400 rpm and their CPU temp to go from 40 to 60c which is apparently UNACCEPTABLE!!

this particular forum is the last solace and, given the mac pros price, i expect it to keep the high aforementioned ratio for a while.
 
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chfilm

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this forums useful info / activity ratio is much higher than the rest of macrumors. the iphone forum has been lost to complete degenerates, and the macbook pro forum used to be good until it got overrun by people complaining that their battery health indicator for their brand new MBP says 99.8% instead of 100% or that using final cut pro while connected to an external display causes their computers fans to ramp up from 1800 to 2400 rpm and their CPU temp to go from 40 to 60c which is apparently UNACCEPTABLE!!

this particular forum is the last solace and, given the mac pros price, i expect it to keep the high aforementioned ratio for a while.
The last stand!!
 
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I don't think that's a very fair comparison. The PC has an RTX 2080 and the Mac has a Pro 580X. It would be more interesting to see the comparison with an RX 580 installed in the PC, or a Vega II in the Mac. Also, perhaps run the benchmarks in the same OS as well.

more like Photoshop is optimised for RAW power 1 or 2 cores, so the more frequency of the CPU is the matter, I don't really think it's a serious software for CPU usage like Xeon, if you check some online reviews, the best CPU for Photoshop is i9-9900K, I doubt if someone will buy Mac Pro for this kind of software
 
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M3Jedi77

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more like Photoshop is optimised for RAW power 1 or 2 cores, so the more frequency of the CPU is the matter, I don't really think it's a serious software for CPU usage like Xeon, if you check some online reviews, the best CPU for Photoshop is i9-9900K, I doubt if someone will buy Mac Pro for this kind of software

Yes you are right. These are just the computers I have available today in my home.
 
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MisterAndrew

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Which other forums?

You know, that's a good point. Compared to the MacBook Pro and iPhone forums I guess. I assumed this one isn't as busy, but it looks like that isn't true. The iMac and Mac mini forums look more desolate. My original point still stands though because it doesn't appear this forum is very quiet. Every thread on the first page of the forum is either from today or yesterday.
 
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