Is Ventura a good OS?

[svenmany]

Yes. Ventura has been rock solid for me (but I waited until 13.4)

Are you affected by the location services bug that’s the topic of the recent front-page article?

 

[osplo]

Are you affected by the location services bug that’s the topic of the recent front-page article?

I did not install 13.5, I'm on 13.4.1. Location Services shows all the apps.

 

[ewu]

Monterey always have problem when booting from USB such as docker failed to start. After upgrading to Ventura, all issues are gone.

Thanks Ventura

 

[Tagbert]

Instead of tinkering with the interface maybe they should concentrate on stability

There's a reason everyone loves Snow leopard

Sonoma seems to be exactly that with only small features and a lot of cleanup and bug fixes. Early reports are that it is very stable for a beta.

 

[Mac Hammer Fan]

I tried Sonoma B3 on an external SSD connected to my Mac Studio and it was not stable.

 

[Tagbert]

I tried Sonoma B3 on an external SSD connected to my Mac Studio and it was not stable.

It’s still beta. The point is that it is more stable this early in the process than previous OS betas.

 

[svenmany]

I enjoy using Ventura, but it's quite buggy. If you're lucky you won't notice them. System Settings has some serious bugs with networking related settings.

Even some really mainstream things don't work. Like when using Time Machine to restore files. You can select "Restore to...", but it ignores that and just always restores to the original location. Hard to forgive Apple's carelessness.

But, for the most part, i just work around the problems, so I would say it's a good OS. It definitely wasn't a good OS when it was released since there were serious issues that couldn't be worked around.

I've changed my mind. It's not a good OS. The location services bug, introduced in 3.5, is too egregious.

It's OK to say "I like the OS" or "It hadn't given me any problems". But, saying it's a good OS is setting the bar so low as to make "good" a meaningless adjective. A good OS can't be broken with respect to core functionality.

 

[Makisupa Policeman]

High Sierra only got stable in its final major point release update (10.13.6). It was a hot mess pretty much until that point and even then, it didn't hold a candle to how rock solid macOS Mojave was. I don't know that it has ever been as good since Mojave. Certainly Catalina was a dumpster fire with the same kinds of glitches that you're complaining about with Ventura. Big Sur, for how transitional it was in many under-the-hood areas, was pretty damn close to being as stable. Monterey had tons of stupid bugs and Ventura, while fixing a lot of those bugs, introduced a slew of its own. It's not great.

With a couple of exceptions that I hope are to be ironed out before release, I'm extremely optimistic about Sonoma. It would be nice if they didn't break so much stuff from version to version. It was never this bad prior to Apple switching macOS to an annual release cycle.

Mojave was easily the best modern macOS in terms of stability. Catalina was much worse than Ventura or even Big Sur IME, but that may have been because I was also running it on pretty old hardware.

 

[Makisupa Policeman]

Agreed that they desperately need to ditch the annual release cycle across all OSes and focus on stability. We need an OS as good as Mojave or Snow Leopard again. And don’t even get me started on iOS!

 

[Tagbert]

Agreed that they desperately need to ditch the annual release cycle across all OSes and focus on stability. We need an OS as good as Mojave or Snow Leopard again. And don’t even get me started on iOS!

I don’t mind the annual branding of the OSs. In reality they aren’t doing one single release, they have been doing a series of releases across the year that release various features when they are ready. It’s that “when they are ready” part that they need to respect. Don’t try to do so many big changes and don’t feel obligated to ship them on arbitrary launch schedules. Scale it back, release when it’s ready, and focus on more on fixes, cleanup, and optimization. In the long run, those last three are at least as important as any new features.