Is Yosemite being rushed out before it's ready for prime time?

Discussion in 'OS X Yosemite (10.10)' started by katewes, Oct 1, 2014.

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Is Yosemite being rushed out too soon?

  1. Yes, it is rushed out too soon. Still major bugs

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  2. It's ready for a 10.0 release with acceptable level of bugs.

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    62.3%
  1. katewes macrumors 6502

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    #1
    Having read the Yosemite forum recently, I didn't get the impression Yosemite is ready for prime time - then I hear the Gold Master is being sent out. Is Yosemite ready, or is it just being shipped to meet Apple's self-imposed once-a-year-new-OSX schedule?
     
  2. iamMacPerson macrumors 68030

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    You do realize the GM is still only meant for Devs, not for the public. Any little issues will be fixed by the time the Public Release is out.

    That being said, I am using the PB4 of Yosemite on my rMBP (late 2013) and it runs amazingly well. I'd say as-good as Mavericks. This was the first release of Yosemite that I actually migrated all my data from Mavericks too. I spent this evening wiping my drive (I had Yosemite PB and Mavericks on it) to install just 10.10 and migrate via Time Machine and I love it! It has given me no issues so far and I think its ready for Public Release.
     
  3. phrozend, Oct 1, 2014
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    You've already answered it: It's both. The 1-year rollout thing is not exclusive to Apple and probably how the tech-business will continue for quite some time. Technically, any software needing an update after its initial release is software that was released before it was finished, true? (Yes, that includes updates enabling future technologies which couldn't have been predicted). Which means Yosemite will not be ready for release until they stop development and the last update is outt, around this time next year. Therefore, I ultimately reject your queetion.

    Edit: hey, the poll is biased. Why isn't there a "Yosemite is perfect, there are no bugs to be fixed and Safari is snappier"-option?
     
  4. katewes thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Given Mavericks' poor reputation for Apple Mail - particularly with GMail IMAP - how did you find Yosemite Mail?
     
  5. SCOLANATOR macrumors 6502a

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    Seems fine to me. Only weird thing I've discovered in PB4 is the boot menu is now in black and white, it looks really odd against the normally coloured drive options. Anyone else found this? I don't know if it's deliberate or not.

    Aside from that and continuity still not working for some reason its a great and solid OS. Safari is fantastic, HTML5 Youtube & Netflix by default is awesome!
     
  6. iamMacPerson macrumors 68030

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    Honestly, Mavericks mail really made me mad considering I have 8 Gmail accounts (for YouTube before they allowed multiple channels on one login). It was just a nightmare. I tried Mailbox beta, not my cup of tea really. I guess its the fact that you have two options for badging the app. Either:

    Show all messages in the Inbox (read or unread) as the badge (I.e. 200 messages in your Inbox would display 200)

    Or Show a 1 for new messages, which means no matter how many new messages you have it badges a 1. Rather annoying. I have complained to them in the past (particularly when the iPhone app came out, I wait to use that too!)

    I notice you have a late-2013 rMBP. I have both a late-2013 rMBP and a 2009 Mac Pro and the rMBP is the only one of the two that shows a black startup screen and the background for selecting a boot disk when holding Alt is black as well. The Mac Pro is the same; white. I think only certain rMBPs (late-2013 and later) have this featue, which I kinda like actually. Makes sense too considering iOS now behaves the same way on iPhone 5 and newer (white back/black Apple on white devices, black back/white Apple on black devices).

    I wonder if there is a setting to change that would turn this on and off. We might be able to turn it off, but users of other computers I don't think could activate it since I beleive its part of an EFI update that installs itself automatically after installing Yosemite.

    So far the only annoyance with Yosemite is the fact that installing it coverts my drive to Core Storage/Logical Volume. I hate that. I'm not sure if the terminal command can be run directly from within the OS, however I installed Mavericks on a small partition, booted from that and changed it back to standard GPT. I have no idea why they did this, but thankfully it is reversible. I beleive it only happens to Macs with PCI-e SSDs (MBA mid-2013 and newer, rMBP late 2013 and newer, and 2013 Mac Pro).

    If the Recovery Parition has Terminal (I think it does right in the Utilites menu?) I think it can be run in ther with no problems.
     
  7. leman macrumors 604

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    Just of curiosity - why is this an annoyance?
     
  8. beosound3200 macrumors 6502a

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    scrolling in yosemite itunes is like 15 fps, everything else is smooth and mostly bug free. also, definitely faster, snappier than mavericks.

    whats up with itunes?
     
  9. anupash macrumors newbie

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    Stuck at "about 2 minutes remaining" for 2 hours. Says something about upgrade process and prime time preparedness.
     
  10. Crosscreek macrumors 68030

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    My experience with 10.10 public beta sucked for the first 2 releases.

    Clean install with Beta 3 ran without any hiccups or freezes running full-time and everything worked great.

    Beta 4 seems fine so far.

    I think it's ready for primetime.
     
  11. katewes thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I note your negative comments on Mavericks Mail.

    So do you find Yosemite Mail, in its present state, a stable, trouble-free email experience with Gmail IMAP?
     
  12. iamMacPerson macrumors 68030

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    Basically, it makes the OS treat it like a Fusion Drive, meaning it doesn't wipe the same way. You can erase it (your partition) however you cannot repartition the drive fresh. I also have no idea how you would Bootcamp Windows on it but I'm not gonna try.

    I haven't set it up yet actually. I might do it today and see what happens.
     
  13. leman macrumors 604

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    But don't you think this is primarily the problem with Disk Utility, which appears to have only very basic support for Core Storage? And why would you want to repartition the drives in the first place, it does not sound like something one needs to do very often.

    Besides that, treating the disk as a logical volume can have some interesting consequences. One application I can imagine is transparently extending your disk with online space — e.g. having bulk of your photos in the cloud, but they would appear to you as if they are on your local machine (and if you are not online, you would get a low-res version). I think functionality like this is one of the things Apple has envisioned when developing Core Storage.
     
  14. n-evo macrumors 65816

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    It seems you don't quite understand the concept of "GM". GM = public release. They are one and the same. Developers are just getting access to it before the general public. However the latest Developer Preview is a GM Candidate, which means it could become GM or not.
     
  15. comics addict macrumors 6502a

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    I can confirm that even on cMBP with third party SSD's are turn into Core Storage as well. :mad: So its a recurring annoyance across of all the public betas I have tried. I'll need to turn in feedback before it goes public hoping they either fix it or go back against such decision.
     
  16. ZVH macrumors 6502

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    There are a fair number of bugs that still exist in Mavericks and they may still exist in Mountain Lion as well. Most that I know of have to do with external drives, like drive ejecting, drive going to sleep midstream, drive powering down while in use, USB drive not recognized unless a USB hub is used as an "adapter." Apple has been getting away with the "Blaim the vendor" game for too long. It seemed to start around the release of Mountain Lion.

    On Yosemite I see a lot of old Apple Apps crash, and IMHO they shouldn't. If they're Intel based apps they should work, period, but they don't, and some of them are now "banned" with the prohibited sign through them.

    The old phrase "It just works..." is now "It might work if you're lucky..."

    We shouldn't be getting OS updates every year if there are still significant bugs with existing OSes. Why do we need a new OS every year if they can't even get the current versions working right?

    I really don't like the direction this company is taking.
     
  17. BasicGreatGuy Contributor

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    The core storage conversion that happens on install has been brought up to Apple several times before. And it is my understanding, from what has been posted here (as to what their reply was) that that is how it is supposed to be. Why that is, I don't know.

    The core storage can easily be converted in a matter or moments.
     
  18. 576316 macrumors 601

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    Yosemite is mostly great and ready but it seems like they haven't touched Time Machine since the first beta. Still lots of performance issues in TM as well as weird UI problems.
     
  19. iamMacPerson macrumors 68030

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    When wiping the drive I always reformat it to get rid of everything across all paritions. This way, when you go back in and reinstall OS X, it also puts in a fresh restore partition. It completely gets rid of everything (or, at least to the point where its not seen by the computer) including other partitions (for instance, both my Macs have Windows installed).

    I'd rather have complete control of my machine really. This is how I have always used OS X, from Leopard to current. 10.10 won't change that for me.

    GM is still a different build then what is released to the public. The build numbers still change which means things can still change like bug fixes. Just because the GM is close to what the public will see, its not necessarily the exact one they release to the public. Plus, like you said its a candidate which means this could be it, or they could pull an iOS 5 (or was it 6?) where it had 2 GMs.

    Yeah there is a way via Terminal to change it back. When I ran it, it didn't delete any data. It sucks all SSDs are doing this. Question, do you have TRIM enabled? I wonder if that's the reason because my Mac Pro has an SSD and it didn't do the same thing.

    If you would like to try the Terminal command, PM me and I'll send it to you.
     
  20. comics addict macrumors 6502a

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    No I don't have TRIM enabled due to the new kext signing that the developer was talking about that Apple implemented in Yosemite. Have you had any luck using TRIM Enabler? I remember reading that it was making Macs unbootable with Yosemite.
     
  21. iamMacPerson macrumors 68030

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    Only with Mavericks on my Mac Pro. Its enabled by default on my rMBP.
     
  22. snorkelman macrumors 6502a

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    graphical glitches at my end - pretty minor but don't give the impression of a polished release:

    populating grid view and folder views with icons is noticeably slower than under mavericks, and folder opening animations (e.g. as they zoom to their open state/position) are nowhere near as smooth

    On wider note I'd kinda like to keep the dark grid view background of old with normal menu colour, but as it stands we can either have screaming white grid view with normal menu or are forced to use Dark mode just to get old style dark grid view.

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    2012 rMBPs can have white on black boot screens and CSLVs its not just limited to 2013 models onwards
     
  23. iamMacPerson macrumors 68030

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    I wonder if its in the ROM to tell it what color to make the display color. Does anyone know what other model have a black boot up screen?
     
  24. TheBSDGuy macrumors 6502

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    How are you guys getting it to create itself as a Core Storage volume?

    Before Yosemite Beta's were released I got a bigger drive and split the partitions using Mavericks with one free one left aside for Yosemite. When Yosemite started coming out I started populating with the Yosemite releases. None of my partitions or volumes are Core Storage and I was never asked to convert anything at all. It's just another, regular partition on my system.

    Are you guys installing on a standalone drive with nothing else on it?

    Just curious,

    Thanks
     
  25. snorkelman macrumors 6502a

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    only one of our machines has yosemite on it (single partition with 10.10 installed over top of an existing 10.9 installation)

    Don't recall any option/request to convert to CSLV the change just occurred of its own accord
     

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