Agreed. Jaguar was my first OS X and it had me hooked. My post was only intended to attempt to qualify "early", not to imply that everything before Tiger was crap (except for Cheetah which pretty much was).
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Isn't early OSX objectively easier to navigate?
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You people who prefer the Snow Leopard dock are weird.
Perfectly entitled to your opinion of course, I just have a very different brain.Look at that Mavericks dock. It's gorgeous. I love how the little app-is-open indicators use the edge, like a glint of sunlight.
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I’ve waited a long time to find a kit which could make Sierra or High Sierra look just like Snow Leopard — including the 2D (“non-glass”) dock override (not seen above, which was standard for left or right docks and could be used for a bottom dock with a defaults overwrite or toggle in OnyX).You people who prefer the Snow Leopard dock are weird.
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Look at that thing. It's gorgeous. I love how the little app-is-open indicators use the edge of the dock, like a glint of sunlight.
I have never found any project for a SL environment on post-SL Finders.
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Yep. Not sure I fully see the relevance. 13% of adults in the UK don't use the internet? 13% is not very many to begin with, and we can safely assume a huge proportion of those are elderly adults. Apple isn't designing OSes for people who don't use computers/the internet. They design OSes for people who do. That is most people.
EDIT: I also have an issue with how some of this data is compiled and recorded. There are only around 3.5 million secondary school pupils in total in the UK; it strikes me as really unlikely that almost a full quarter of those don't have any kind of tablet or computer at home. It's certainly possible, but believe me, having grown up working class and poor in the UK, even back in the 90s most people still had some kind of computer at home. So it makes me doubt how clearly the questions were phrased or how accurately the data was collected. Again, though, even if it was true Apple isn't designing operating systems for the minority who have never used a computer. Should they be? I dunno. But probably not.
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@Wowfunhappy - I love Mavericks' 2D Dock. Also the ones in Tiger and older. I hate the one in Leo/SL/Lion (no idea what ML's looks like). The fact that the 2D Dock returned in Yosemite is probably the only thing I like about its look 'n feel.
I'm nearly certain the ML one is identical to the Leopard-Lion one. The Mavericks one is nice too but I wish I could use it at the bottom as well. I never got along with right/left docks. The 3D dock was justified as looking like a shelf atop the wallpaper, but in most instances it just looks tacky. I don't mind a lot of the default Apple wallpapers combined with the 3D dock but using my own pictures it just looks jarring. 2D dock in those versions was crap though So I preferred the 3D dock in the end. Tiger dock is the best one.
I actually love this dock. That was perfection. I wish they could bring it back exactly as it is for Big Sur.You people who prefer the Snow Leopard dock are weird.
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Look at that thing. It's gorgeous. I love how the little app-is-open indicators use the edge of the dock, like a glint of sunlight.
I tried a cDock demo earlier - it's pretty close, but not 100% exactly the same thing. Needs tweaks, yes. Can get there.
Mountain Lion uses the Mavericks dock at the bottom and the 10.5–10.7 dock on the sides.
It uses the Mavericks 2D dock when in 2D? My reply was about the 2D dock styles
Sides = 2D.
I don't think there's a way to get the 2D dock on the bottom without that undocumented Terminal command, is there?
Sides = 2D.
Try OnyX or Cocktail, or if using Snow Leopard or Leopard, the Secrets.prefPane offers control over that, as well.
BTW, http://cooviewerzoom.web.fc2.com/blackdock.html should get you the Leopard 2D dock on Mavericks. (Use the .bundle alongside https://github.com/Wowfunhappy/MacForgeFramework/releases so it will work on Mavericks build 13F1911.)
I think the only thing that's off are the indicator lights, when the dock is at the bottom...
I think the only thing that's off are the indicator lights, when the dock is at the bottom...
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13% out of a population of 68 million people "is not very many people to begin with"? Goodness.
Poverty in the UK is soaring: even as grim as things were during the Thatcher years, the working class and those on the breadline (a background that I also grew up in) of the 80s and 90s were not reliant upon food banks unlike today.
Marcus Rashford mounted a campaign to push the government to provide children from low income backgrounds with free meals during the school holidays. Large numbers of families are going without electricity or food, charities have warned that the UK is facing a child poverty crisis but yet it strikes you as unlikely that struggling families couldn't have any kind of tablet or computer in the home? The government thinks otherwise.
I'll leave it here, lest I end up being reported yet again and besides, it's a divergence from the actual thread topic.
Some further articles on this issue:
Digital divide 'locking children out of education' - BBC News
'Digital poverty' in schools where few have laptops - BBC News
84% of schools with the poorest children lack devices to ensure their pupils can study at home if self-isolating
Pupils face falling behind because they can’t access online learning, headteachers and councils warn
While we're on the subject of the Dock:
techreflect.net
Although I like the final design Apple chose, this one is at least equally good.
Edit: For context, the author of that blog is an ex-Apple engineer.
The black Dock – Tech Reflect
techreflect.net
Although I like the final design Apple chose, this one is at least equally good.
Edit: For context, the author of that blog is an ex-Apple engineer.
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I think it would be a mistake to assume that people with difficulty using computers are simply 'computer illiterate'. Many have problems because their needs don't logically translate to the tools systems seem presently to offer - which is what user interfacing is all about. Some examples of those being potentially disadvantaged are learning or developmentally disadvantaged/disabled, such as people with ADHD, Downs and autism. These people don't need lessons, but as operating systems become both more complex and more sterile, they could do with less obstructions.
I'd be very concerned about the possibility that a population group of any size is essentially being denied access to the use of technology due to simple design choices being made. Particularly when other choices could potentially help resolve that.
I would also say that while it may be true that today, Apple isn't designing OSes for people who don't use computers, that would be pretty damning for a company which produced the Mac in the first place - which was precisely for people who didn't have to know about computers in order to use one.
Just playing devils advocate but maybe Windows and macOS have it right and you are the one who is the anomaly😁
I certainly have heard something similar to that before, but put it this way: A person on the autism spectrum, for example, can't do the slightest thing about that fact, but a computer designer can do a great deal about making their system more usable for that person.
Should they do that? Perhaps others think not, but Apple used to think they should.
The first thing that popped into my mind when I read "objectively easier to navigate" was the moronic limitation that you could only resize a window by dragging the bottom right corner. Cumbersome for the heck of it, one of those "whatever Windows has, we must have the opposite" (single mouse button etc) things that Apple used to do out of foolish pride. So good riddance to that "feature"...
The second thing is that early OSX had no Mission Control, hot corners or multiple desktops, all of which make a world of difference. Those save me hundreds of clicks every day.
Try as I might, I can't think of anything navigation wise that was easier or better in vintage OSX.
The second thing is that early OSX had no Mission Control, hot corners or multiple desktops, all of which make a world of difference. Those save me hundreds of clicks every day.
Try as I might, I can't think of anything navigation wise that was easier or better in vintage OSX.
Black would've been nice - that low angle light is crazy harsh though, with the shadows falling on the 'wall' above the icons rather than below. It makes the whole thing look like a police lineup. Like one of the icons robbed the bank, and here it's DVD Player's turn to step forward and say "put the money in the bag and no one will get hurt".While we're on the subject of the Dock:
The black Dock – Tech Reflect
Although I like the final design Apple chose, this one is at least equally good.
Edit: For context, the author of that blog is an ex-Apple engineer.
My money is on trash bin.
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I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with this response.
there is literally no sense in which they are being “denied access”. We’re talking about fractional degrees of usability and intuitiveness, not an OS that’s literally unusable by anyone without a degree in computer science.
That looks... odd. The black menu bar is awesome though - fortunately we can get that.
I want to see MacBooks in anodized blue. Like the frame of the blue iPhone.