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Here in the UK we have a pricing policy (or rather Apple does) that simply changes the $ for a £. This means that when the GBP is strong against the dollor we get stitched up and products can be twice as expensive as in USA.
Even following the rules and paying import duty and VAT it can still be hugely cheaper to import. I imported a MBA rev. A 3 years ago. 2:1 exhange rate and saved £300 on the whole deal, including all shipping etc.

I also imported 5 iPads recently and again, saved £100's after all taxes and shipping. Student discounts in the UK can work as Amazon, Currys, Solutions Inc. etc are generally the same price or more than Apple direct.

But then, we have a better soccer team than you....errr...maybe not !?!?!;)
 
15-inch MacBook Pro

* 2.66GHz Intel Core i7
* 8GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
* 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
* SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
* MacBook Pro 15-inch Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display
* Backlit Keyboard (English) & User's Guide
* Accessory kit


$2,799.00 no student discount

$2,539.00 with student discount

Also, I can get a free 8GB Ipod touch (student discount) and drop it for 100.00 free shipping, buy-it-now, on ebay and sell it pretty quick. That drops the price another 95 bucks after shipping. I could even build the cost into the price 105.00 and use USPS flat rate.

From my point of view the student discount is actually pretty good.
 
The student discount is very small, especially compared to other manufactures like dell who give 15-20% and far more custom pcs. You could easily get a laptop for a better price if you watch online.

But student discount is about $100 off standard apple retail prices, and usually most universities have an Apple store, so they get a lot of sales, even if the price isn't that much better. The student discount is better for software like office and endnote, rather than hardware.
 
The US student discount is terrible, most times you'll only save about $100.

Put that into perspective: I bought my 2.66Ghz MBP last July, on the Further Education discount. It retailed at £1499. I got it for £1320. Todays exchange rates: Saving of $250. Plus I got a free iPod Touch, which I gave to my father as a gift, but I could have sold it for another £150 EASILY, which means I would have actually saved $475.
 
Student Discount + Tax Free Weekend????

My question is........ here in NC we have a tax free weekend coming up in August. On that weekend will the student discount and no tax work???
 
If you do your own taxes, they ask you to declare purchases not already reported or paid for via sales tax. That's the use tax.

If someone else does your taxes, they ask you if you made any purchases, so the use tax can be paid.

The tax ALWAYS has to be paid, no matter if you are ignorant of the law or not.

Let the bears pay the Bear Tax, I pay the Homer tax!

That's the homeowner tax.

But, I digress, as has been pointed out several times in this thread, this is correct.
 
I have read online that since most states now have deficits, there is more pressure on the legislatures to inforce the use taxes and collect them. States are looking for any way to add to their state treasuries. I do not think it will take to much longer to see the states change and inforce their tax laws.

Hope this does not happen, but who knows what will?
 
This has to be one of the dumbest threads I've ever had the misfortune to read.



:D Lol seriously anyone actually taking the time to do research just to prove a point needs to find something better to do with their life lol.

Op: I just bought a new in box 2010 revision MacBook on eBay (10hr battery life) using the by it now feature for $875! Fact in the bing cash back of $70 and just scored $805, new in box MacBook. LOL NO TAX OR REDLIGHTS.
 
Do lots of US citizens really think that such a simple dodge could save them paying tax on bought items?

Most American's never pay the use tax (the end of the year portion where you would declare your purchases), so yes, most American's think that by purchasing in another state, they can avoid paying any sales tax their state assesses (they ignore the fact that they are supposed to pay use tax in their state on those purchases).

Government itself bares a large burden for this problem; in the past, governments never even attempted to asses use taxes on anyone for small and moderate items, now that they are cash strapped and think citizens will suddenly respond kindly to enforcement of a tax that hasn't truly been enforced in decades.

I'm sympathetic to the argument that not charging sales tax on internet purchases is regressive (the poorest people are paying the most taxes.)

That's not what regressive means. The poorest people pay a higher percentage of their income in a regressive tax, not necessarily a higher amount or the most amount.

Someone making $300K, spends $200K and is taxed at 7% on those purchases; they've paid $14,000 or 4.67% of their income in sales tax. A person making $20,000 has to spend a larger portion of their money to live, likely all $20,000, they still pay a 7% sales tax; they've paid $1400 in sales tax or 7% of their income. The wealthier person still paid the most in sales tax, however, the poorer person paid a higher percentage of his/her income.

Wtf. Capital gains tax? Really? You're going to tax someone for investing in the economy? Really?

Capital gains is currently taxed at an extremely preferential rate of 15%. You're still being encouraged to invest in the economy. A large negative of this preferential rate is that many very wealth people accumulate wealth via capital gains and do so at a 15% rate. Take Warren Buffett for example; he has long made claims that he pays a lower percentage than his secretary does in income tax. The reason for this is that effectively all of his income is via capital gains while his secretary pays at the ordinary income tax rates.

Deductions, inheritance tax, etc? Really?

The government is trying to get you to engage in certain behavior by incentivizing in. For instance, the deduction for charitable contributions. If a tax incentive is provided, people will engage in activities they may not have otherwise (donating to charity, saving for retirement, spending on business machinery, etc).

Idk, it all seems rather counter-intuitive to me.

I assure that it makes more sense if you study it, however, there is still some stuff that kind of blows the mind. The generation skipping transfer tax is one that really blew my mind when I first heard of it. If Grandpa wants to gift grandson his entire estate because grandson's daddy smokes too much crack, get ready to be hit with one of the toughest tax penalties in existence.

Since we're supposed to be the land of equality, I'd rather just see a flat tax and be done with it.

The overall tax burden is fairly flat. There are more taxes than just the progressive federal income tax. Other regressive taxes, such as sales tax and payroll taxes make the system fairly but not entirely flat.

without the taxation of business, which would result in said businesses spending that money by either investing, or on new employees/hires, which benefits everyone.

I agree that we should not tax corporations. We have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world and it certainly doesn't help our corporations be competitive in a global market.

For serious?

Fu*k that.....I'm not about to claim the money under the table transactions. :cool:

You mean the under the table transaction you made on your credit card, had shipped to your house, and that Amazon keeps a record of that states are trying to make Amazon disclose? Doesn't sound so under the table to me...

Hate to break it to you, but as someone familiar with basic auditing procedures, nothing is really "under the table."
 
Listen. You must pay the tax either way, EVEN IF YOU RECEIVE THE STUDENT DISCOUNT, NO MATTER WHERE YOU PURCHASE FROM. Get it? I can only make the letters so big, and say it so many times.

You must always stop for 3 seconds at a stop sign.
NO MATTER HOW TRAFFIC CONDITIONS ARE, YOU MUST STOP FOR 3 SECONDS.
In case you don't, you MUST go to the nearest police station and pay your fine.

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU? I guess it does, because you're such an exemplary citizen.
 
Hojoon, come on. Don't be silly. Do you stop at red lights even when there's no traffic coming in the other direction? I bet you do. And if you blow through the light or roll through the sign, in some places there are traffic cameras that will catch you. And it doesn't matter how much you argue about traffic conditions, you're probably going to get fined.

You can say that you don't like the use tax, you don't want to pay the use tax, states aren't doing a good job collecting use tax, whatever. I don't want to pay it either, and I don't. But I'm not trying to argue that somehow I'm a better or smarter person because I am breaking this law. By not paying use taxes, I'm cheating on my taxes. Sure, "everyone else" is doing it, but what of that? "Everyone else" is breaking the law. It is what it is. Ignorance of the law is not a defense.

I speed a little bit, too. I get away with it, most times. But if I were caught by a cop, I know good and well that "everyone else was doing it!" is not an adequate defense unless the cop just decides to give me a break.

One day states will tighten up on their collection procedures, and we'll remember with fondness the days when we used to be able to order from Amazon "tax-free." But right now this discussion is just way off your original point, and is getting silly.

My question is........ here in NC we have a tax free weekend coming up in August. On that weekend will the student discount and no tax work???
Maybe. Where I live, the tax-free shopping weekends intentionally exclude expensive items like computers. Only items $100 or cheaper qualify, and only clothing and school supplies and stuff like that. In NC it might be different. You should look into it. I'm sure the info is not hard to find.
 
I think the one thing we can agree on is that the US tax code is incredibly retarded.

Illogical, overly complicated, and ever-changing.

...

/rant.

But yes OP, please do pay your taxes, our deficit is already unreal.

There is a much easier way to simplify the tax code..... remove two levels of taxing authority.

Currently taxes are levied by:
1) Federal government
2) State government
3) County government
4) Municipal government

Each entity has its own tax code. I'm talking about only sales and income tax here, not property tax.

States have multiple cities, and some counties have several cities, and I believe some cities cross county lines.

So a business trying to set up in a State may need to deal with 4 tax codes for a single location. Add a second location in the same state, and you add perhaps 2 more tax codes. If set up another location in a 2nd state you add perhaps 3 more tax codes. So 3 locations and 7 tax codes. This is if they rent their premises and don't purchase property (so no property taxes).

I am familiar with the Canadian system which has two levels of taxing authority, Federal and Provincial. Open up as many locations as you want in a province, and you are still dealing with 2 tax codes. Open up a location in a neighbouring province, and you add one tax code.

But wait - it gets better - several provinces are now combining their PST (Provincial Sales Tax) with the Federal GST (Goods and Services Tax - essentially the same as the UK VAT). Now, the business is dealing with a single tax code per province, and a single sales tax form. Eazy Peazy - or at least as much as any tax form is. Starting July 1st I will only need to fill in a single page form to remit my sales tax to both the province and the Feds.

And because the whole thing is now considered a VAT (which is different than a straight sales tax) you only remit the difference in tax collected/tax spent buying business items. So if I purchase an expense piece of equipment, the sales tax I paid is deducted from the sales taxes I owe on sales.

I don't like paying taxes, but at least I can do my sales tax form in a quick afternoon (computerized record keeping - so I can print the two reports I need, and fill in the blanks.
 
it slays me how many people are truly up in arms that others may be keeping some of their money. i don't know a solitary person that pays the use tax. "ohmigawd it's breaking the law" - really? just as with other minor illegal acts such as speeding, really, who cares? if you get caught, it sucks, but you deal with it. especially given that use taxes are almost never enforced, it's an even larger incentive to ignore the law.

it's very much akin to waiters having a large amount of their income (cash tips) being untaxed, as they report only the minimum required by law (usually 10% of total sales.) yes, it's "breaking the law." no, no one really cares. if the irs wants to crack down on the local olive garden, they can spend tens of thousands on lawyers and time to get back a few hundred bucks. or.. we can continue on the way it's been going.
 
it slays me how many people are truly up in arms that others may be keeping some of their money. ... ... especially given that use taxes are almost never enforced, it's an even larger incentive to ignore the law.
I think what happened is that when most of these transactions small and occasional, the state governments had no real incentive to try to enforce the rule. Now that on-line purchasing is getting bigger, and continuing to grow, the incentives are there - though perhaps not yet the means. The added incentive is that the vast majority of states are looking at a deficit budget. To take what is happening to an illogical extreme, if 100% of all purchases in a state were from an out of state online store, then that state would have to cut virtually all services or increase (or institute) their income tax. Take that to further extreme. Imagine a situation where the only "stores" in any state were actually just the warehouses supplying the neighbouring states on-line commerce activities.
it's very much akin to waiters having a large amount of their income (cash tips) being untaxed, as they report only the minimum required by law (usually 10% of total sales.) yes, it's "breaking the law." no, no one really cares. if the irs wants to crack down on the local olive garden, they can spend tens of thousands on lawyers and time to get back a few hundred bucks. or.. we can continue on the way it's been going.

Like the out of state "use tax", this minor issue is not too seriously enforced as long as only restaurant servers are abusing the system. But what if 50% started to "hide" their true income. How happy would you be, as an honest tax paying citizen, if you knew that you were subsidizing road repairs for every 2nd car on the road because they weren't paying their fair share? So take it a step further, and now 80% of the citizens are hiding income. So now who is paying more than their fair share? People's whose professions deal in cash or payment on the spot now stop paying taxes. So, if you work in an office where taxes are deducted at source, you end up paying your taxes plus the taxes for your plumber, electrician, car repairperson, and corner grocer.

I guess I have ranted long enough.... sorry about that....
 
"Isn't complaining about any discount totally pointless?"

I used my student discount and got a free iPOD touch & printer (through rebates). I would've spent about $300+ on those 2 items without the discount.
 
I didn't even have to read the thread to know with 100% certainty that by page 3 it surely has degraded into the MacRumors moral police with their high and mighty rhetoric, telling everyone they are lesser people for not voluntarily paying some random tax most people don't even know about and that the government won't ever bother to enforce. I'm pretty much a model citizen to the T, but even I wouldn't bother with it.

The holier-than-thou attitudes, 99% of the time which is completely unsolicited to boot, of so many on this site just reeks of ultra-square sometimes.
 
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