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So the champions of the Environment are making it totally impractical to repair. May as well throw it out and get a new one. Into landfill it goes. I shudder to think how much this is going to be in Australia. Easily $1000 AUD.
 
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It's a no brainer why Apple charge very high repair fee's because they want people to purchase Apple Care. Some might call the high repair fees an incentive to purchase Apple Care, others will call it blackmail, don't get Apple Care and Apple will charge you extortionate repair costs.
 
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So the champions of the Environment are making it totally impractical to repair. May as well throw it out and get a new one. Into landfill it goes. I shudder to think how much this is going to be in Australia. Easily $1000 AUD.
No, they make it easy for folks who WANT to recycle to recycle. It appears that a lot of folks want Apple to FORCE them to recycle? There’s nothing Apple can do to stop someone who very vehemently wants to ensure everything they own ends up in a landfill.
 
It's a no brainer why Apple charge very high repair fee's because they want people to purchase Apple Care. Some might call the high repair fees an incentive to purchase Apple Care, others will call it blackmail, don't get Apple Care and Apple will charge you extortionate repair costs.
Yes. Apple, a company in business to make money, sells products, including Apple Care that makes it possible for them to make money. I’m astounded no other company in the history of companies have tried this novel scheme!
 
I stopped buying AppleCare a while back because my stuff just wasn't breaking out of warranty, and I wasn't accidentally damaging my stuff either. If I add up the amount of money I've saved by not buying AppleCare, it would probably pay for a couple of out of warranty repairs.

Basically, it's not really worth it unless you're careless with your stuff.
Further, and a point I’ve made before, when you buy with some credit cards (like Citi) an extra 2 years of warranty are automatically added onto the manufacturer’s warranty. So most of us have 3 year warranties if we bothered to pay attention to our credit card benefits.
 
I think the consumer watchdog needs to get involved at some point. It may be good business for Apple, but it’s a poor deal for the consumer. If you’ve just spent £699 on a device and Apple are tailoring a system that makes any form of accidental damage hugely expensive in order to panic the consumer into buying AppleCare, that’s wrong. Sure repair bills on devices should be costly, but nearly the cost of the total device? That’s dreadful practise.

AppleCare is in itself an expensive insurance policy. The average cost of insuring a home and it’s contents in the UK is £152 a year. Mine is less than £300 and it covers everything I own including my iPhone/iPad should I lose or break them. If I took out AC on every Apple device I own, I’d be paying way more than it costs to insure around £300k of buildings and belongings that I own. It looks like a rip off to me.

That's because the insurer probably figures there's low payout risk for the homes.

In some areas of California, houses are uninsurable because the risk of wildfire is too high. I believe average home insurance here is around $1200 per year.

As far as AppleCare+, can I self-insure? Yes. I save $100 per month for iPad upgrades. Do I want to self-insure? Case by case basis. On a $2.2K (with tax) 2021 iPad Pro 12.9 1TB Cellular with unpredictable release schedules, I'd rather pay the $8/month.
 
So the champions of the Environment are making it totally impractical to repair. May as well throw it out and get a new one. Into landfill it goes. I shudder to think how much this is going to be in Australia. Easily $1000 AUD.
You aren't supposed to throw it in landfill, you are supposed to bring it for recycling. Most of an iPad can be recycled so thats on you, not them if you choose to just throw it in the garbage.

Being environmentally friendly does not mean the same thing as repairable or consumer friendly, in the same was as eating healthy does not necessarily mean cheaper.
 
From Apple in regards to the Consumer Law:
I like how you posted what you wanted me to see (especially when you posted an untruth) but you didn't post the facts that come directly from Apple's own website. See below: 😉


From Apple in regards to the Consumer Law:
"Any defect or non-conformity of goods with the contract which becomes apparent within 6 months of delivery are presumed to have existed at the time of delivery. After the expiry of this 6-month period, the burden to prove that the defect or non-conformity of goods with the contract existed on delivery generally shifts to the consumer.

Let's leave it here and end this discussion because frankly when people cherrypick info and make incorrect blanket statements such as yours I highlighted I'm done here.
You have also missed a very important part on apple uk
And I recommend you read the right page when it comes to consumer law
And you seem to have really missed the most important part of the text
From Apple in regards to the Consumer Law:
"Any defect or non-conformity of goods with the contract which becomes apparent within 6 months of delivery are presumed to have existed at the time of delivery. After the expiry of this 6-month period, the burden to prove that the defect or non-conformity of goods with the contract existed on delivery generally shifts to the consumer.
And the juice part
UK consumer law automatically introduces the following terms into any contract of sale for goods and/or services to consumers:...The goods will be of satisfactory quality.
This entails a Mac or iPad breaking within a year is not living up tours expected quality related to price.
For purchases made by consumers in the United Kingdom and Ireland: If a product is defective consumers may, in addition to any other rights which they may have under consumer law in the UK and Ireland,
 
Further, and a point I’ve made before, when you buy with some credit cards (like Citi) an extra 2 years of warranty are automatically added onto the manufacturer’s warranty. So most of us have 3 year warranties if we bothered to pay attention to our credit card benefits.
Only some Citi cards offer that but yes, a lot of people probably overlook it
 
I like how you posted what you wanted me to see (especially when you posted an untruth) but you didn't post the facts that come directly from Apple's own website. See below:


From Apple in regards to the Consumer Law:
"Any defect or non-conformity of goods with the contract which becomes apparent within 6 months of delivery are presumed to have existed at the time of delivery. After the expiry of this 6-month period, the burden to prove that the defect or non-conformity of goods with the contract existed on delivery generally shifts to the consumer.

Let's leave it here and end this discussion because frankly when people cherrypick info and make incorrect blanket statements such as yours I highlighted I'm done here.
The burden of proof rarely falls to the consumer though and Apple would oblige should a hardware failure occur within or sometimes after 2 years. I’ve had devices exchanged well after the warranty periods. It’s impossible to prove an iPhone or iPad had a hardware fault from day one when the consumer is incapable of opening the device up and showing the said fault. Even Apple don’t disclose what they find inside devices and they don’t examine in front of customers either. If a screen stops working or a battery fails, nine times out of ten Apple will just replace the device within 2 years of purchase. I don’t know anybody who has been turned away in these situations.
 
If Apple care worked in the consumers favor, Apple wouldn't sell it. Apple's in the business of making money. They obviously make more money selling Apple care than charging one time repair cost.

If you are buying apple care is should be for the peace of mind it brings, not for financial reasons.
 
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The burden of proof rarely falls to the consumer though and Apple would oblige should a hardware failure occur within or sometimes after 2 years. I’ve had devices exchanged well after the warranty periods. It’s impossible to prove an iPhone or iPad had a hardware fault from day one when the consumer is incapable of opening the device up and showing the said fault. Even Apple don’t disclose what they find inside devices and they don’t examine in front of customers either. If a screen stops working or a battery fails, nine times out of ten Apple will just replace the device within 2 years of purchase. I don’t know anybody who has been turned away in these situations.
That's my experience too. I've had absolutely no problem getting faults rectified by Apple for free, even after 2 years.
 
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Some might call the high repair fees an incentive to purchase Apple Care, others will call it blackmail, don't get Apple Care and Apple will charge you extortionate repair costs.
Fortunately no one makes you buy an Apple product. I laugh when I see toddlers with iPads on airplanes. For watching videos and simple games a Fire tablet will work just fine and a new tablet costs less than Apple Care for an iPad.
 
Fortunately no one makes you buy an Apple product. I laugh when I see toddlers with iPads on airplanes. For watching videos and simple games a Fire tablet will work just fine and a new tablet costs less than Apple Care for an iPad.
I think you'll find that is exactly what Apple want's as well. They do not want the lower classes buying their products hence why they price everything out of their hands. The fact that the lower classes can get their hands on Apple products is not Apple's doing but other 3rd party retailers who offer Apple products at discounted prices, special deals or on finance deals.

HP, Dell, Lenovo, they all sell brand new laptops and desktops that start close to $300 for their low end basic models to very high end models that cost over $1200. Basically they have laptops and desktops to suit EVERYONES price range. Now go look at Apple, their brand new basic low end models of laptops and desktops start close to $1100. Such prices fall well out of the grasp of the lower classes in society.

Therefore, it has never been a case of 'no one makes you buy Apple', it's always been a case of Apple only want's a certain demographic of society to buy Apple.
 
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Fortunately no one makes you buy an Apple product. I laugh when I see toddlers with iPads on airplanes. For watching videos and simple games a Fire tablet will work just fine and a new tablet costs less than Apple Care for an iPad.

Both my kids (4 and 7) have iPads but 2017 versions so not current. My wife and I find it easier to link and control the accounts if they use iPads rather than using a different operating system. Having had a go with a cheap Amazon Fire tablet I think I’d lose my patience with its performance pretty quickly and I know the kids would too lol. The base iPad now is only £370 I think?
 
Do they give a new one or a refurbished one? In the past, I was given a refurbished replacement from other companies. Luckily never have needed to get one from Apple yet.
They’re replacement devices, most likely refurbished by Apple. Some are new devices.

Apple is offering you an out of warranty replacement device at roughly half the cost of a new one. Your ongoing limited warranty rolls over into your replacement.

I’d say that’s better than most companies will offer you.
 
They’re replacement devices, most likely refurbished by Apple. Some are new devices.

Apple is offering you an out of warranty replacement device at roughly half the cost of a new one. Your ongoing limited warranty rolls over into your replacement.

I’d say that’s better than most companies will offer you.
I agree, just was wondering.
 
..... You know I just checked your BS

Apple.com ipad pro 12.9 1tb cellular + apple care 2148$ + california vat 2356$
Apple.fr same ipad + apple care + tax (is already inluded unlike the US) 2318euro or 2786$.

The Apple france price for the ipad includes 360EUR in taxes thus price before vat would be 1960euro or 2355$ so apple charges 200$ more in france for the product before tax.

You need to include in this that apple care in france is 160euro or 190$ so the real price difference is less...

Vat in california is 9% and 20% in france...while it costs more the money is used at least for something useful such as not having a student debt crisis with over trillion dollar of studentdebt...
Well, there's at least a whiff of b.s. here. There is no VAT anywhere in the US. There are sales taxes of 9.50% to 10.25% in California, depending on locality. The difference between VAT and sales tax is not a trivial one, because, for instance, foreign nationals can generally get VAT refunded if they're not purchasing for resale, but not sales taxes. Non-profit organizations (religious organizations, charities, local, state and federal government agencies) do not have to pay sales tax. Many states also have sales tax "holidays" a week or so before the school year starts, that cover certain classes of purchased items. And some states with income taxes offer some income tax credit if the individual filing has paid a lot of sales tax that year.

But in general, what is being missed here is that several European countries (Italy comes to mind) require a five-year hardware warranty with any item purchase. Obviously, the sellers will factor that into their sales prices in those countries.
 
It's a no brainer why Apple charge very high repair fee's because they want people to purchase Apple Care. Some might call the high repair fees an incentive to purchase Apple Care, others will call it blackmail, don't get Apple Care and Apple will charge you extortionate repair costs.

Buying AppleCare for something that should be included in the standard warranty in the first place?

I got RAM modules that have a lifetime warranty for example.
 
I can't see how anybody would be foolish enough to think that's a good deal. Buying a MacBook for a little more than the going price for a used one on Ebay without warranty with only 2 months warranty left especially if it's in good working condition easily stands a good chance the buyer will not use the warranty.
The buyer is assured that if there does happen to be some sort of problem with it (that I’m hiding from them and not readily apparent) they can get it fixed for free.
 
I am not a fan of using refurbished or second hand products even they are fully checked by Apple. If I buy Apple Care+ for my iPad Pro 12.9 2021 and something goes wrong, Apple gives me a brand new or refurbrished replacement. Can I trade that in with Apple?
 
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