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Itanium Power?

Correction

What I ment in my prior post, was that although the Itanium is a good 2-fold better than the P4, consumers will get confused by the low Mhz numbers. So Intel will get Dell to market the speed as a number higher than those put on P4 boxes.

I'm glad the Itanium beats the G4, the better the competition, the better stuff Apple pus out. Maybe we'll see DDR Ram now…
 
When we talk about P3, P4, G3, G4, G5, itanium, or whatever chip, lets rember its just tech stuff. Each chip will perform differnet with each app. Even with the same code or code base each chip will perform different. You must optomize each app. for each chip to operate best. So why does it matter which chip is faster than the other. The main point is, which chip or chips work best for you and the app. you work with. I also am a Mac User at heart, P3 user, P4 user, SGI user, SUN user, and Amiga user. Each chip works wonders for what they are. . .

Gregory Out-
 
Yes, you are right gregory.
however ur impartiality is not welcomed by me, the way you have just tried to destroy that argument by being a "nice person" was both cruel and unneccessary. I think you should be ashamed of yourself young man. Here at macrumors we do not welcome fair people, we like nasty people who argue all the time and b*tch at each other whilst leaving the heart of the convo well alone.
But dont worry, you will soon get into the groove of things. ;)
 
Anyway, pentiums suck d*ck. Even if its because of how they are cheaply produced and mass marketed you just have to hate them.
And im not surprised an itanium kicks the sh*t out of a P4, it is kind of hard not to.
 
You're always good for a laugh.

One of the core issues is that some of us (myself) have invested a WHOLE FREAKIN' LOTTA CASH into our G4s. When someone disses your BMW (I wish) you'd better kick their butt. We bought G4s because Apple promised they are really fast, and yes we knew w/o Altivek their screwed but notice the 2 hottest topics here (on the forums): 1) Photoshop performance 2) Game peformance. Both PS 5.5/6.0 and OpenGL have Altivek, thus must be defended like we're really pissed, even if we aren't.

I apologize for my Mac-religious attitude.
 
PENTIUM:
Produces
Enormous
Numbers
Through
Incorrect
Understanding of
Mathematics

We will always be going back to quality vs.quantity. Do you want 5 medium grade microwaved steaks or 1 freshly flame-broiled steak dripping with lucious juices surrounded by steamed mushrooms, carrots, potatos, and peppers. As you cut into it, you notice how tender that G4 steak it...no fat on this baby. You salivate as the steak approaches the mouth; you can taste it through the air. Then suddenly bigger-brother (MS) takes it from you and gives you the 5 **** steaks, keeping the lucious one to hisself.

Sorry........I am very hungry right now....must eat and sleep
.....g...o...o...d...........n......i......g.....h.....t
 
You cannot ever say that a 1.6gighz AMD Athlon is slower than a 867 G4. That's complete bull. A 1.6 Athlon sweeps a 1.8 or 2.0 P4 too. I personally, have a DP 500 oc'd to 600, and a 1.0 Athlon oc'd to 1.628. The Apple is only faster in RC5 and a few select optimized Photoshop filters...

 
Hmmm, from my experience the athlon is great. It kicks any Pentiums ass. I havent tried an 867 but a dual 800 G4 is pretty equal to a 1.4Ghz in everything but gaming (which it is marginally worse)
The trouble with Athlons is heat, people are finding that the new athlons with 266 Mhz FSB are running at over 45 degrees, at peak some go up to 60. And its not the way they are put together, the thermal paste, or the heatsink being used..... trust me.
 
Mine runs at around ambient, but then again, i have watercooling. AMD's are made to handle up to 60+ degrees. They put out nearly 110 watts of heat at full load, while G4's put out like 15-20 max.

A friend of mine was a supervisor at ILM, and he said MAYA was incredibly slow on the apple, compared to his PC. Granted, it was only a G4 450, but his intel machine was only a dual 800 p3.
 
FYI

According to Maya's Web Site: A G4 450Mhz is the MINIMUM for Maya, along with 512MB of Ram. Why? I don' tknow, the newer version for MS2000 runs on a 350Mhz P3 and 128MB or so. I have a freind with a 500Mhz P3 and 2000, and I think 256MB Ram, he can run Maya. Keep in mind Maya for OSX is the 1st release, and probably runs with a lot of Wintel code.

I think there's a fine ballance in OSX:
BAD: The system gobbles away CPU (my Launch.app is at 92% CPU while ideling on my iBook). It requires 4x the Ram, and 3-D performance is weaker*. 2D acceleration is non-existant, plus since Quartz is PDF based, even when 2D acceleration is supported, it'll barly help in the finder. Oh yeah WTF happened to my Input Sprokets (HID seems to be a ghost. I've heard It exists, but maybe it doesn't support anything but mice and keybords yet?)

Good: Multiprocessing can make up for greedy apps, Better I/O system and Memory managment (w/MP) can doubble your FPS (see Q3 Area tests for OSX MP)

Overall the MP support and better Ram use makes up for no 2D acceleration, poor CPU concervation, and the occasional time I need to print. (I have to PDF-save and launch classic Acrobat....grrrrrrr)

And yet Maya still sucks...go bitch to Alias|Wavefront. No really, I'd love to see a better copy. Also do us all a favor and bitch to Apple for better driver support for printers, SCSI, and game controlelrs. Also bitch about "your" ATi128 cards having bad performance (i'm bleeding over my 128's performance, it's about 10fps)
 
Really people

The reason all of us buy macs is either religious or hardware quality. We know Apple makes the better computer, otherwise we really wouldnt buy them. Look, my new pc (8mnths) starting making HD spooling noises and fan noises after around 2 weeks. No, it aint dust or oil, checked em.

Believe in Apple, they know what they are doing and dont argue about chips. Who cares really? It aint like we show them off the everyone is it? My G3 500 in my iBook is piss slow on 10.0.4 but i still use it daily, even right now.

Enjoy it, and live it. Support apple to the end and we will keep getting the awesome products that they love to ship.
 
Re: Really people

Originally posted by Microsoft_Windows_Hater
Enjoy it, and live it. Support apple to the end and we will keep getting the awesome products that they love to ship.
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Well said.
 
Re: Really people

Originally posted by Microsoft_Windows_Hater


Enjoy it, and live it. Support apple to the end and we will keep getting the awesome products that they love to ship.
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I second that ... very well said. We have a real Mac head here.
 
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