ITC Rules For Apple in HTC Patent Case

[*LTD*]

What I don't want to see is people patenting every dang thing that comes along. If some automaker patented putting a swinging doors on a car, all cars made by other people would have to crawl in and out through a hole or something. That's stupid. I'm not keen on patents for things like multitouch. I guess I would be if I invented it, though, because $$$$$$$$ über alles and stuff.

Now you understand the perspective of patent-holders.

We'd all do exactly the same thing if we were HTC, Apple, anyone of the others.

Maybe the problem is not that consumers' choices are being limited, but that the tech players really need to up their game.

It's possible that HTC just isn't doing the best they can do.

Do what Apple does, for instance. Think the way Apple does. Beat them at their own game. Perhaps that's what these other players should be trying to do. As it stands, Apple is the only truly unique player in the market. Their level of differentiation is insane. The way they think, their priorities, and yes - their "vision" stands in stark contrast to everyone else's.

Maybe consumers' complaints should be with HTC. Food for thought.

 

[cliveren13]

Sore Looser

Steve Jobs and Apple are nothing but cry babies because HTC and other companies are putiing out inovative product that the public wants they cry foul i gave up my apple products because of all this crying try to build and compete with good products or get out of the game all this nonsense already apple will loose this big time

 

[altecXP]

Steve Jobs 1996:
"Lesser artists borrow; great artists steal"

Now:
"...competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours."

 

[kiljoy616]

Not playing fair

Nice to see Apple is not in the business of playing fair I as a stock holder I expect Apple not to licence anything and shut them out complete from the market just like I expect other companies to do the same to apple. Winner take all is the name of the game.

 

[mac9000]

YESSSSS!!!!!

I respect Google's Android (although I think iOS is better), but I despise stupid HTC copying everyone. I've been waiting for them to get sued.

 

[Lone Deranger]

What I'm trying to say is that I would like to see what the competitors could come up with if they weren't restricted by patents.

But surely then all you have to do is look at what HTC and the like have on the market right at this moment. As up until now it appears Apple's patents (those few that have been approved) have been largely violated. The answer being, companies choose the easy road and will copy whatever is deemed successful in the market. The path of least resistance and risk.

What *I* would like to see is what they can come up with if they were restricted by patents and thus have to do their own thinking and innovating. To come up with something truly unique instead of producing knock-offs with just enough differences to play it legally safe.

Just do what some of the rest of us do. If the argument is from LTD consider it the fanboy argument and therefor invalided.

That's so funny, that's exactly what I do with anything from you

 

[mac9000]

Steve Jobs and Apple are nothing but cry babies because HTC and other companies are putiing out inovative product that the public wants they cry foul i gave up my apple products because of all this crying try to build and compete with good products or get out of the game all this nonsense already apple will loose this big time

HTC copies the iPhone all the time, and they produce inferior products. Just look at one, and you'll see.

 

[vvswarup]

It has everything to do with consumers. If Apple had their way, consumers would have no choices when it comes to buying smart phones. Competition and choices benefit consumers. Not that I expect you to understand that.

What you're saying about Apple is true of every corporation. Do you seriously think other corporations are saying, "We need to have some more competition in our markets" in their meetings? (My apologies in advance for bad grammar, but this is not an English class)

 

[AidenShaw]

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It basically says they have patented scanning data for elements that match specific patterns and then turning those parts into links to activate some sort of handler.

For example, Apple scans text and finds phone numbers and makes them tappable so you can call them.

OR, they scan and find a URL and make it into a link to launch Safari.

OR, if they recognize an email address, you can tap it and start an email.

Good luck to Apple for defending that patent - my Samsung Windows Mobile SCH-i730 phone from 2005 did exactly the same thing - text in email/SMS messages was hot-linked to the obvious....

Apple has good photo-copiers - but they'll need a real time machine to defend this patent.

 

[pyro008]

FYI the iPad/iPod were not the first tablet/mp3 player. Actually the ipad was about 5 years late on that, but of course it sold well because it had a fruit on it.

 

[*LTD*]

Steve Jobs 1996:
"Lesser artists borrow; great artists steal"

Now:
"...competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours."

Apple and everyone else can yada-yada all they like when it suits them. It's a game of psych-warfare.

But the what is comes down to are the goods. What you DID, not what you SAID.

 

[AidenShaw]

Oh Apple .....

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Stop it

Loved those skits....

 

[coldmack]

I just wished that all companies was as innovative as Apple.
I can name 2 MSFT innovations: Clippy and auto run.
Can name at least 50 Apple innovation. From the first digital camera to iPad.

I am a true blooded mac head like all people should be, but even I know the iPad wasn't an innovation, but more of an evolution of the garbage knowm as Tablet PCs, with their outdated, and slow Intel cpu, and running Wind'ohs

 

[Piggie]

Just to make it plain.

I've nothing anti or pro Apple on this.
I would feel the same no matter what company it was.

I don't have any issues with people stopping others copying their Icing, but they should not be able to stop people making cakes.

Like, a glass touch screen which you use a finger on, multitouch, pinch to zoom, can all be seen as the cake.

Sure, design your own shaped icons, or buttons or something, but not the fundamental item of it's functionality.

As we keep saying, it's all of us that will lose out in the long run.

 

[mac9000]

What you're saying about Apple is true of every corporation. Do you seriously think other corporations are saying, "We need to have some more competition in our markets" in their meetings? (My apologies in advance for bad grammar, but this is not an English class)

Competition is fine, but the other companies can't do it without copying Apple. Meanwhile, Apple had to rise up from an almost dead company to make the iPhone. They need their own designs.

 

[gkpm]

Good luck to Apple for defending that patent - my Samsung Windows Mobile SCH-i730 phone from 2005 did exactly the same thing - text in email/SMS messages was hot-linked to the obvious....

Apple has good photo-copiers - but they'll need a real time machine to defend this patent.

Or Apple just had to file it before your 2005 phone, which they did, the patent was filed in 1996.

 

[mac9000]

Just to make it plain.

I've nothing anti or pro Apple on this.
I would feel the same no matter what company it was.

I don't have any issues with people stopping others copying their Icing, but they should not be able to stop people making cakes.

Like, a glass touch screen which you use a finger on, multitouch, pinch to zoom, can all be seen as the cake.

Sure, design your own shaped icons, or buttons or something, but not the fundamental item of it's functionality.

As we keep saying, it's all of us that will lose out in the long run.

iPhone users won't lose out. Apple has to keep updating them even without competition in case there is a threat. Also, if they don't, everyone will hate them.

And Apple patented multitouch and developed it.

 

[*LTD*]

FYI the iPad/iPod were not the first tablet/mp3 player. Actually the ipad was about 5 years late on that, but of course it sold well because it had a fruit on it.

That's not only misinformation, it's the wholly irresponsible kind.

It sold well because it made everything else look like **** by comparison.

And back then Apple didn't quite have the cachet it has now. The iPod was the device that brought Apple out of a lot of their troubles. A lot of folks were calling the iPod a failure when they first heard about it. A lot of them can be found right on MR.

There's your FYI.

 

[dethmaShine]

Steve Jobs and Apple are nothing but cry babies because HTC and other companies are putiing out inovative product that the public wants they cry foul i gave up my apple products because of all this crying try to build and compete with good products or get out of the game all this nonsense already apple will loose this big time

Innovating by stealing technologies from others.

I get ya!

 

[mac9000]

That's not only misinformation, it's the wholly irresponsible kind.

It sold well because it made everything else look like **** by comparison.

And back then Apple didn't quite have the cachet it has now. The iPod was the device that brought Apple out of a lot of their troubles. A lot of folks were calling the iPod a failure when they first heard about it. A lot of them can be found right on MR.

There's your FYI.

The "fruit" on the iPad means that you can actually sync it with your computer unlike the trashy competitors. Is Apple the only company that understands device syncage?

 

[*LTD*]

iPhone users won't lose out. Apple has to keep updating them even without competition in case there is a threat. Also, if they don't, everyone will hate them.

And Apple patented multitouch and developed it.

Apple has a tendency to do amazing things even in the absence of competition. Such as the iPhone. And the iPad as well. What new market will they revolutionize/create next?

 

[macsmurf]

I tend to think anything reducible to one line of Perl should not be patentable.

That pretty much covers everything

 

[miografico]

iPhone users won't lose out. Apple has to keep updating them even without competition in case there is a threat. Also, if they don't, everyone will hate them.

And Apple patented multitouch and developed it.

Apple did not invent multitouch!

Bell Labs came out with a screen in 1984 capable of doing minor touch related things. In 85 Bill Buxton from University of Toronto engineered a similar capacitive based screen.

91 Pierre Wellner and his paper on the matter of gestures...

Then on to a company called FingerWorks!

God some of you people... There is a big difference between inventing something and taking a design, making it better (they did and with help btw FingerWorks), patenting and then trying to sue everyone else out of market existence!

 

[AidenShaw]

Or Apple just had to file it before your 2005 phone, which they did, the patent was filed in 1996.

Then we'll have to go to Lynx from 1992 for "prior art" - which can trump any filing date....

Apple has a tendency to do amazing things even in the absence of competition. Such as the iPhone. And the iPad as well. What new market will they revolutionize/create next?

Yes, I find it amazing that Apple still does not have even the option for builtin WWAN (3G/4G) radios - something that Windows portables had 5 years ago. Nor the option to read HD optical disks from roughly that era.

Apple *is* amazing.

 

[gkpm]

Then on to a company called FingerWorks!

God some of you people... There is a big difference between inventing something and taking a design, making it better (they did and with help btw FingerWorks), patenting and then trying to sue everyone else out of market existence!

You forgot to mention that Apple purchased all the assets (including patents) from FingerWorks in early 2005.

Companies don't really invent anything, inventors do and in this case the inventors were paid by Apple, which then developed the technology into something other than niche products. FingerWorks original products were all just keyboard/mouse replacements.