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broken_keyboard said:
That's interesting, I have never heard of such a concept. Though you can borrow oldish CDs from the public library. I guess Steve Jobs' argument that people don't want subscription services, that they would rather own the music file doesn't hold in Japan. I wonder how well iTunes would do in such a market? .
Well, its a little different. You can actually legally copy your rented music. So you are in effect buying it and locking it into your MD (no way to get it out). I've rented singles for about 3 dollars each, so if iTunes can sell a single at ¥100 then that would be pretty good.
 
BeigeUser said:
To give you guys a general idea about music pricing in Japan. Retail CDs costs around $25 to $33 each. Rental CDs cost $4-5 for the album and $2.50-$3 for the CD Single. The various downloadable music services charge about $2.50 per song aside from the annual membership fees that they may charge.

33e is pretty high! Here in Finland the average "expensive" CD is around 26e. I personally welcomed iTMS when it arrived and have bought a couple of tracks (yet there's not too much music there I don't already have). Hope you people there get this service soon too!
 
Trowaman said:
To our northern neightbors remember this:

Jobs promised your store this month. No more than 13 days to go.

No more than 8 days according to the circulating rumors, too.

I still wish all the stores shared their content though... :(
 
deejemon said:
Hahahaha.... yes, I have a fake laugh with your nick all over it.

That never stops being funny, even 20 years after a baby girl was killed.

Oh, that really happened? :confused: :(
 
BeigeUser said:
There are ways around this though. I am a U.S. citizen living in Japan so I still have my old U.S. issue Mastercard which I can use to buy U.S. music while in Japan. I think you can also download music from overseas if someone sends you a iTMS gift certificate. The only problem being that somebody needs to get the gift certificates for you first.

There is another loophole known in Japan (and maybe in many other countries), but I dare not reveal it here, for fear it be sealed.
 
Mudbug said:
there still is no real word on expansion into Australia - sorry guys (and girls, of course :).)

I heard some rumour (well, this is the place for those) that Telstra and NineMSN have done a deal with the record companies to keep them out (the iTunes Music Store that is).

If so, they've probably brainwashed Molly Meldrum into saying it's a good thing too, like they did when parallel imports was the "big thing".

Besides, the IT media industry here hates Apple with a vengeance. For example, I have never read a positive review of the iPod here.

I remember about a year ago, the Sydney Morning Herald published a "definitive" review of MP3 players, and just happened not to even mention the iPod! The only reason it's written about more recently is the sheer volume of sales that would make them look churlish if they kept ignoring it. It always has so many shortcomings though. Funny that. It must kill the journalists when the customers don't seem to agree.
 
deejemon said:
That never stops being funny, even 20 years after a baby girl was killed.

Not to mention the toddler being torn to shreds on Fraser Island last year by two dingos. Friggin' pests.

Lighten up though! Elaine did a pretty good impersonation of Meryl Streep butchering an Australian accent. Maybe it's hard for Americans to imitate, that's why they practise the "dingo talk" so much...?
 
BeigeUser said:
BTW, at the rental store, they sell blank minidiscs and cd-r discs right next to the CDs. It's obvious that they promote illegal copying. Is it possible that the record labels get a kick-back from every blank media sold?

possibly, they do in canada afterall, we are even taxed more on our mp3 players for some retarded reason

aethier
 
Summing up some of the comments from various posts on iTMS in Japan...

CD's are quite expensive here, and yes it is cheaper to get Japanese music from other Asian countries. So much so that both the JRIA and Japanese government are taking steps. A quote from Kyodo News February 25th "The Agency for Cultural Affairs plans to propose an amendment to the copyright law to restrict imports of low-priced Japanese music CDs produced abroad for foreign markets...The proposal calls for introducing an ordinance that would ban the CDs for up to seven years after their original release in Japan. The Japanese music industry is demanding a total ban because cheap foreign-made CDs are damaging domestic sales."

Rental CD's are very popular. As mentioned by one poster, the idea was that the music would be copied to MD and could not easily find it's way off the MD and onto another. A portion of the rental amount supposedly goes to the artist (read that as label) and a portion of the blank media cost goes to the JRIA, to be distributed to artists, just how they do this I do not know...but I think the artist is still the worst off of the parties.

Tower Records charges full price for CD's of Japanese artists (as these disks are distributed by the Japanese record labels) for around $30.00-$35.00. They import the foreign CD's and these sell for around $18.00-$20.00. The Japan release of the foreign music usually includes a bonus track or two and sells for the same price as the Japanese artists, but not worth the extra $8.00-$10.00 really, but the liner notes and track listing are usually translated also, but still not worth it.

Existing download services are limited to what they 'own'. I do not think there is a service witch represents a variety of major labels and artists (please correct me if I am wrong). Not to mention Sony wanting to hold onto their music catalogue. Therefore, the current download charge is quite high (and remember a rental CD single usually has more than 1 track)

Another problem would be that most downloads would be single tracks not albums. It is quite the norm for a Japanese artist to only have 3-5 good songs on a CD (kind of like Eminem!) so why buy or download the whole album if you only want a handful of songs? This is not just my opinion, many of my Japanese friends have said this of a lot of artists. As the label machines would face less revenue from a listener who is fed up of having to buy a whole CD of crap, revenues would drop.

Bottom line, I am sure Apple would launch the iTMS-J tomorrow if they could get an agreement in place, I think it is the labels who want to continue to screw the listener.

Just my 2.1752 cents (at an exchange rate of 108.76)
 
rikers_mailbox said:
are other iTunes/iPod annoucements possible that day? It is the Tuesday before the busiest shopping day of the year, aka Black Friday.

. . would be a great time for a release of flashPods. :D
The 26th is a Friday. Additionally, "Black Friday" won't have anything to do with the launch of the iTunes Music Store in Canada, as Thanksgiving has come and gone for us already.
 
ASP272 said:
Please, Dear God, let Canada get the iTMS on November 26th so we can quit seeing this rumor pop up OVER and OVER AGAIN! :rolleyes:
I don't see how there's a rumour at all. Apple has announced that the iTunes Music Store will open in Canada in November, which means that we've got 13 days at maximum. There's no question whether Canada will get the iTMS.
 
I'll believe it when it happens

It will probably happen, but I still find it hard to believe that the Japanese government would allow apple to have this on line store before the Japanese companies are firmly established. So I'll believe this when it happens, and I do hope that it is true. Of course, then again apple Japan is a Japanese company.

Brian
 
BeigeUser said:
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It's apparent that Japanese labels like to overcharge. This is evident by the fact that the Japanese labels sell the exact same Japanese music in Korea at a cheaper price. I hear that the $33 CD is sold for around $15. In fact, there is now a black market that imports Japanese CDs from Korea.

From what it's worth, versions of Korean music sold outside the country always seem to sell for more than the Korea-only versions in Korea.
 
Eastend said:
...but I still find it hard to believe that the Japanese government would allow apple to have this on line store before the Japanese companies are firmly established...

Yeah, I forgot about that part. The Japanese government is extremely protective of it's industries. If Apple makes the wrong moves, all kinds of laws will suddenly pop up to prevent Apple from gaining any foothold. Just like how all foreign cars have more than $8000.00 automatically added to sticker price in the form of "inspection fees". This makes sure than the average consumer will never consider buying imports.

But again Microsoft somehow made it in Japan so if Apple could just bribe a few politicians things might work out just fine.
 
I dont know if Apple will be able to persuade the Japanese music companies into signing a deal where they can price singles at around $1.

And anyway, most of the people I know, who own an MP3 player, rip from the rental CDs. Dont know how effective the so-called protection is. They probably wouldnt bother so much with downloading if it ever came available.

Then again, priced well and the iTMS would probably persude enough people into giving Apple a large market. Most people would think nothing of the 100yen to download a song.
 
BeigeUser said:
Is it possible that the record labels get a kick-back from every blank media sold?
I have read where they do.

Need to verify, but I think you are in the right ballpark.

BTW, good capture with your previous coments. Weird market over here for sure.

Sushi
 
BeigeUser said:
Hard to say. Being a regular consumer, I don't really know what those executives are thinking. But pure speculation from what I see, it seems that the big record labels have some kind of agreement on how they price CDs.
The Japanese companies have always gouged the customers.

Apple Japan was famous about it 10 years ago. I would by a US Mac for x dollars. The same Mac in Japan was a little over 2 times as much. In some cases close to three times as much.

Some other examples. Mobile Oil Japan is not the same as Mobile Oil US. In fact, my US Mobile Oil, Shell Oil and some other gasoline credit cards would not work over here.

Same for AMEX. AMEX Japan cards have the magnetic strip on the inside.

I guess you could say the Japanese have a yen for closed markets! ;)

Sushi
 
BeigeUser said:
Yeah, I forgot about that part. The Japanese government is extremely protective of it's industries. If Apple makes the wrong moves, all kinds of laws will suddenly pop up to prevent Apple from gaining any foothold. Just like how all foreign cars have more than $8000.00 automatically added to sticker price in the form of "inspection fees". This makes sure than the average consumer will never consider buying imports.
You mean how they allow produce like letuce in country. Only problem is that it takes a while to inspect. And of course by the time they inpect the letuce, it has gone bad.

Love that Japanese efficiency...

Sushi
 
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