iTMS for Canada

[JD!]

Originally posted by Freg3000
First off, I'll refrain from making this a personal attack.

I understand that my idea is obviously flawed, as pointed out by many already. The connections between developing the Windows iTMS and the international legal situation are almost none, so I see how what I said was wrong.

On the subject of the pricing, especially in Canada, I think it will be $1.49.

P.S. If you would like to quote a post, click the quote button. That will allow you to respond in that forum while quoting a particular post.

Take the critisizing as constructive. Conjecture without forethought becomes incoherent rambling. If you want to blow off steam with a personal attack, knock yourself out! I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter. Hey...kidding! C'mon!


Conjecture on pricing is premature. Wherever the dollar has settled in Sept/Oct will dictate an initial price point. Apple and the public will then have to live with the give and take of a fluctuating American buck for a year at least. The price can't keep jacking around and no matter how you slice it, we get it up the wazoo due to our weak dollar. Feel sorry for the Brits with the pound. Those poor souls are screwed regardless!

 

[MasterMac]

Originally posted by dguisinger
I didn't resize any partitions, I just changed the partition format for the small 4GB partition. Disk Utility did say it could not be undone, but without stating the entire drive would be wiped out, I went with the assumption of no-duh, the partition I am working on will be cleaned off. Which is standard operating procedure on most UNIX and intel based machines I may add.

Ok well I just tested disk utility in Jaguar and I was able to change the volume format on one partition and it didn't affect the other at all, so either there's a bug in Panther's disk utility, or you accidentally clicked the main drive instead of the partition.

As for the parts about backing up... unless you have absolutely nothing on your hard disk that you care about, or you have some other way of replacing them, then you should always have a backup. Especially when you're a developer and you do testing of beta software and that stuff, you should know better than to not have any backup of any sort. It's not that hard to buy an external HD or something and do a nightly backup of your entire HD or specific folders/files once you're finished for the night... hell you could even do it in the background while you're still doing other things (which I do frequently). I'm sorry, but you have nobody to blame but yourself for losing your music. I myself can't count the number of times I've accidentally deleted a file or messed something up on my computer and had I not had a backup I would have been in deep trouble, but since I do have one I have been able to fix most problems in just a few minutes by doing simple drag and drops from my latest backup.

 

[dguisinger]

Originally posted by MasterMac
Ok well I just tested disk utility in Jaguar and I was able to change the volume format on one partition and it didn't affect the other at all, so either there's a bug in Panther's disk utility, or you accidentally clicked the main drive instead of the partition.

The Erase tab was grayed out, the only one I was able to do it through was the Partition tab......and in the Partition tab I had checked Lock Partition from Editing for the existing Macintosh HD partition, so one would figure it wouldn't have let me do accidently do anything to it.

As far as backup, there were very few items on this computer important to me. Just my music, a few photos, and some video projects from long ago. So its not such a big deal, I just want to push the point that one should not have to pay the full price to relicense the songs they already paid for.

 

[MasterMac]

Originally posted by dguisinger
The Erase tab was grayed out, the only one I was able to do it through was the Partition tab......and in the Partition tab I had checked Lock Partition from Editing for the existing Macintosh HD partition, so one would figure it wouldn't have let me do accidently do anything to it.

Hmm... well I'm still in Disk Utility and I pressed the Partition tab, and the first thing it told me was to select a single disk in order to set it up (I couldn't have a single partition selected). That should have been a big clue that any change made to it would affect the entire disk, not just the partition . And I'm pretty sure that the locking part just keeps you from editing the values that you are able to change (such as disk size, format, and volume name), and not from keeping the disk untouchable at all. Ah well, this should be a good learning experience for those reading this

 

[MacCoaster]

Originally posted by MasterMac
Ok well I just tested disk utility in Jaguar and I was able to change the volume format on one partition and it didn't affect the other at all, so either there's a bug in Panther's disk utility, or you accidentally clicked the main drive instead of the partition.

How could he have accidentally clicked the main partition. He locked it for God's sake. It is a bug.

As for the parts about backing up... unless you have absolutely nothing on your hard disk that you care about, or you have some other way of replacing them, then you should always have a backup. Especially when you're a developer and you do testing of beta software and that stuff, you should know better than to not have any backup of any sort. It's not that hard to buy an external HD or something and do a nightly backup of your entire HD or specific folders/files once you're finished for the night... hell you could even do it in the background while you're still doing other things (which I do frequently). I'm sorry, but you have nobody to blame but yourself for losing your music. I myself can't count the number of times I've accidentally deleted a file or messed something up on my computer and had I not had a backup I would have been in deep trouble, but since I do have one I have been able to fix most problems in just a few minutes by doing simple drag and drops from my latest backup.

Blah blah blah. So what if he's a developer? He has stated that nothing on his machine was important except the music. I do agree that iTMS should have let him redownload his licensed music. What's so hard about implementing that feature. Not everyone can backup everything all the time, ya know.

 

[MasterMac]

Originally posted by MacCoaster
How could he have accidentally clicked the main partition. He locked it for God's sake. It is a bug.

Blah blah blah. So what if he's a developer? He has stated that nothing on his machine was important except the music. I do agree that iTMS should have let him redownload his licensed music. What's so hard about implementing that feature. Not everyone can backup everything all the time, ya know.

As I already stated above, simply locking it via the disk utility window does not mean you've locked the drive from anything and everything.

My main point about the backup part is that if you have important stuff on your hard disk, even if it's only a small amount of data, and you don't have a backup and it gets lost somehow, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Putting the blame on someone else in that situation is wrong. That's like blaming a company for not replacing a CD you bought from them if it gets scratched up or whatever later for some reason, you just don't do that.

 

[dguisinger]

Originally posted by MasterMac
As I already stated above, simply locking it via the disk utility window does not mean you've locked the drive from anything and everything.

My main point about the backup part is that if you have important stuff on your hard disk, even if it's only a small amount of data, and you don't have a backup and it gets lost somehow, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Putting the blame on someone else in that situation is wrong. That's like blaming a company for not replacing a CD you bought from them if it gets scratched up or whatever later for some reason, you just don't do that.

Actually if I scratch or lose a CD, Microsoft will replace it for $5. I never said free replacement, I'd be willing to pay a fraction of it to cover bandwidth.

 

[MacCoaster]

Originally posted by MasterMac
As I already stated above, simply locking it via the disk utility window does not mean you've locked the drive from anything and everything.

Ah I must have replied [edit: as in clicked the reply button] before you posted that particular post.

Why shouldn't it mean that I've locked the partition? Isn't that the point?

My main point about the backup part is that if you have important stuff on your hard disk, even if it's only a small amount of data, and you don't have a backup and it gets lost somehow, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Putting the blame on someone else in that situation is wrong. That's like blaming a company for not replacing a CD you bought from them if it gets scratched up or whatever later for some reason, you just don't do that.

No, it was a bug in Apple software that caused him to lose the data. Apple should compensate him. It's like someone buying a surge protector and it didn't live up to it's promise, they will compensate you. I mean, seriously, unless the underlying code to the partitioning software was changed majorly, which I doubt, but please feel free to prove me wrong, it shouldn't have reported that he had a 4 GB partition free to use and screw up later.

Edit: Oh yes, he's even willing to pay a fraction! Apple definitely should do it for free or a minimal fee like Microsoft.

 

[MasterMac]

Originally posted by dguisinger
Actually if I scratch or lose a CD, Microsoft will replace it for $5. I never said free replacement, I'd be willing to pay a fraction of it to cover bandwidth.

I can agree to that

Edit: And FYI, I just now submitted a request to them via the iTMS requesting just that, functionality to re-download music for the cost of covering the bandwidth

 

[MasterMac]

Originally posted by MacCoaster
Ah I must have replied before you posted that particular post.

Why shouldn't it mean that I've locked the partition? Isn't that the point?

No, it was a bug in Apple software that caused him to lose the data. Apple should compensate him. It's like someone buying a surge protector and it didn't live up to it's promise, they will compensate you. I mean, seriously, unless the underlying code to the partitioning software was changed majorly, which I doubt, but please feel free to prove me wrong, it shouldn't have reported that he had a 4 GB partition free to use and screw up later.

The option for the lock is in the area enclosed with the volume name, format, and size, and the name of the checkmark is "Lock for editing". If it had said "Lock disk" and had been placed somewhere not directed towards those 3 options, then I would expect it to do what you say it should.

As for the second part, I disagree. He installed a pre-release OS, and that comes with risks. That's why you take precautions like having a backup. Even installing gold-master software has its risks. I haven't read the liscence agreements lately, but I believe there's a part in there saying that the company in question is not responsible for any damages resulting from installing the software (feel free to look it up if you want I'll gladly be proven wrong if I am ). It was his decision to install the software, not Apples, so it is not their fault and they are not responsible for replacing his lost data.

Edit: spelling corrections

 

[SilvorX]

i got a dialog asking me for my apple username/password or whatever as soon as i clicked on "music store" on itunes :S, this hasnt happened yet lol
i think it should be about $1.38/song or so, in canada it's legal to burn audio cd's made from MP3s since each cd/media storage device (such as an mp3 player) have levies for compensation to musicians, some people in canada are thinking "why pay even more if i'm legally allowed to burn cds already?", iTMS needs songs/albums that wont be available to download off the net nor buy in a store, but that's already starting

 

[Squire]

Originally posted by SilvorX
i think it should be about $1.38/song or so, in canada it's legal to burn audio cd's made from MP3s since each cd/media storage device (such as an mp3 player) have levies for compensation to musicians, some people in canada are thinking "why pay even more if i'm legally allowed to burn cds already?", iTMS needs songs/albums that wont be available to download off the net nor buy in a store, but that's already starting

That's the first time I've heard that. Very interesting.

Squire

 

[pbooker]

i think it should be about $1.38/song or so, in canada it's legal to burn audio cd's made from MP3s since each cd/media storage device (such as an mp3 player) have levies for compensation to musicians, some people in canada are thinking "why pay even more if i'm legally allowed to burn cds already?",

This isn't true - the levy is there because of piracy and an attempt to curb it - but it by no means makes it legal to copy cd's/mp3's that you don't already own.

 

[Docrjm]

Originally posted by pbooker
This isn't true - the levy is there because of piracy and an attempt to curb it - but it by no means makes it legal to copy cd's/mp3's that you don't already own.

I accept that that is the reason for the levy. However, as it is already there why should I then pay a further levy for the same material. AS to the cost oniTMS, I believe that it should be 99c. After all music CD's are cheaper in Canada cf the US.

 

[robcj]

Canadian Levy

Originally posted by pbooker
This isn't true - the levy is there because of piracy and an attempt to curb it - but it by no means makes it legal to copy cd's/mp3's that you don't already own.

Actually, the original poster was somewhat correct. Technically, it's a tariff, and it's called the Private Copying Tariff. It's administered by the Canadian Private Copying Collective. The Canadian Copyright Act entitles Canadians to make personal copies of tracks, or substantial portions of tracks, they already own. You are legally entitled to make, for example, a personal compilation disc of music which you already own. The tariff is collected, pooled, and intended to be distributed to artists in lieu of royalties which would have been collected on additional purchased copies of music. It has absolutely nothing to do with piracy.

Having said that, in a philosophical and political context, it has absolutely everything to do with piracy. Although it's intent is to compensate artists for losses due to personal copying, it has instead become a not-so-thinly veiled attempt at recouping losses due to piracy.

 

[Abstract]

@The people who are still blitzing the guy about his HD:

He lost some data that he didn't really care about, some photos, and some music. He doesn't really care. He only wants a way to recoup what he lost by suggesting that he should be able to d/l his songs again for little or no cost. That's the point.

 

[Squire]

Originally posted by Abstract
@The people who are still blitzing the guy about his HD:

He lost some data that he didn't really care about, some photos, and some music. He doesn't really care. He only wants a way to recoup what he lost by suggesting that he should be able to d/l his songs again for little or no cost. That's the point.

Amen.

Apple would probably suggest that he get a .Mac membership and regularly schedule backups.

Speaking of which, I just checked the .Mac page where it says, "See .Mac pricing in other countries." It's 159 BUCKS CANADIAN!? Which currency converter are they using? Does that mean tunes will be $1.59? Hope not.

Squire

 

[Jagga]

Oh Canada

After reading Jonathan Seff's article in Macworld, July 2003 issue and this announcement in the Globe & Mail this week, its evidence that Apple isn't just sitting around.But other than missing features such as: order a CD of mixed tracks & artists for yourself or being sent to another user as a gift, or purchasing albums pre-saved on an iPod for someone as a gift, or tracks/albums/artists with arcane names & spellings to be searchd as long as the user came close to it--can all be improvements.

I feel there is something missing and might carry the Apple Music Store as a standard for the next few digital generations. The Following ideas struck me while reading the article. People of older generations are used to buying LPs or .45s or 12". Don't get me wrong I'm 30 yrs old and I mean no disrespect, but quite the contrary. First off the music store should support all great artists of any genre.

However I remember back in 1987 when house music began on "white-Label" 12" records at bargain prices in Starsound (or Tracks) in Toronto. There where so many artist in House or Hip-Hop that are now the godfathers or their genre (ex. Derrick May, Grandmaster Flash). Although mix-tapes are still alive and well as CDs on the black market of New York, cuts of club tunes are nono-existent. I would be extatic to see a new source headings and titles appear

 

[iDONTsteal]

International iTMS Coverage

International iTMS Coverage would be a good thing... a very good thing.

Impediments to free trade are almost universally negative... the dynamic from current economies toward a more world oriented one should indeed be buffered - - BUT RIAA and it's international equivalents as well as other MEGA-bucks big-guns should not be the ones calling the shots on the rate of global roll-outs for any product!

iTMS for Canada would be a great start <fingers crossed>