itt technical institute

[eternlgladiator]

rofl. this reminds me a short bit from family guy. two constructions workers are having lunch

Guy 1: Hey, my son got into DeVry!
Guy 2: Oh yeah? What did he do? Open the door.

But seriously. I would stay away.

 

[Shannighan]

I would stay away from pretty much any for-profit university.
Start out at a community college and then transfer somewhere else.

 

[KnightWRX]

Anyone who knocks this school is heartless and doesn't see the bigger picture and what they actually DO provide! I graduated ITT-Tech, and Capella, and have all my certifications AND am a Senior Systems administrator of 27! How do you think I feel when some prick throws my resume away JUST because it says ITT?

You joined today and this is your only post. Are you sure you are a Senior Systems Administrator of 27! and not actually a paid ITT employee ?

People knock these schools because they are "for-profit". Basically, you're buying a degree from them. Do you really think their testing/grading and degrees have any meaning or actually represent your level of knowledge ?

 

[Plymouthbreezer]

For-profits are the worst. Things like this happen all the time. And this.

As other folks have said, try a community college first, since transferring to a state college / university from one is a proven path.

 

[Old Muley]

Holy thread revival Batman!

I hate that everyone looks down on this school so harshly.

If people look down on ITT it's because it's well deserved. We have a family acquaintance who is 45 years old and has worked as a busser in a restaurant for over 20 years. She's a hardworking, thoughtful individual, but due to her cognitive impairments, she doesn't have the mental capacity to do much other than clear tables. So anyway, she must have watched too much "CSI" on TV since she decided to enroll in ITT's criminal justice program. I don't know what entrance requirements ITT has- like others have said, if you can open the door, you get in. ITT was more than happy to help our friend fill out all the financial aide paperwork to finance the whole scheme. We knew this was going to end badly, and end badly it did. She struggled through a semester and then had to drop out since she was in way over her head. Of course at this point she was on the hook for many thousands of dollars in tuition loans that needed to be repaid immediately. It's been several years since this all happened, and I think she ended up declaring bankruptcy after trying to repay her loans while making minimum wage.

It should have been painfully clear the minute our friend walked through the door to ITT's admissions department that she was never, ever going to be able to successfully complete a program. Shame on ITT.

 

[ravenvii]

When community college tuition in California is $20 a credit for residents, why the **** do you bother even thinking about crap like ITT?

I don't get it.

 

[strider42]

I hate to say it but anyone that throws someones resume away without even talking to them and gauging their expertise is a prick anyway.

Actually, thats exactly what resumes are for, to cull the herd without having to interview them. Hiring managers or HR people use them to find people who meet certain requirements. Yes, there may be some people who would have been good who didn't meet those requirements, but its much more efficient to focus on those who have certain indicators of success, be they experience, education, whatever. You might disagree with them, but thats the reality at any decently sized business.. Anyone looking at getting into a career should recognize that reality and plan accordingly.

To put it in perspective, my company received something like 16,000 applications for 500 positions. They weren't going to interview all of them. They check their resumes and interview the ones most likely to succeed. Where you went to school can be a factor in some situations, fair or not. Know that it can be a factor and judge for yoruself the best place for you to be.

 

[Liquorpuki]

When community college tuition in California is $20 a credit for residents, why the **** do you bother even thinking about crap like ITT?

I don't get it.

People don't know any better and their sales people are good.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I went to Devry, which is about half a notch above ITT. All these schools suck - ITT, Heald, Devry, Phoenix, etc.

Before the dot com bubble burst, they were a quick source of labor for startups who had a ton of cash and didn't mind paying a guy with a 6 month Associate's degree massive amounts of overtime to test crap. After the bubble burst, those degrees became useless and these schools now have to come up with flavor of the month degrees to bait people into paying tuition (IE Forensic Science, Computer Gaming, Bioinformatics, etc). Also, any bachelor's degree that ends with the words "engineering technology" is BS. It basically means, we couldn't get accredited as an engineering degree so we have to add "technology" at the end for legal reasons.

Umm you might what to go look up stuff on engineering technology degrees. Many of them are from accredited schools and they are ABET accredited degrees. The people with them can test for their FE if they so choose.
Also here is a kicker they get paid the same as the people with the respective engineering degrees.
They are semilar in many ways but at the same time very different.

Yes my degree is in Construction Engineering Technology but at the same time companies that higher the CET guys do not want Civil Engineers. Not for pay reasons because we are paid the same but because the schooling is very different and what the CET guys learn is useful in construction. We are not designers like the Civil Engineers are. Hell I was offered a job that normally a Civil Engineering is offered because I could learn the design side I came out of school with an stronger understanding of the construction side.

Real problem that you run into is schools like ITT which are NOT accredited destroy the name of an accredited degree like mine. Mind you the pay that an ITT person would get is 20+k less than what I would get fresh out of school.

 

[Liquorpuki]

Umm you might what to go look up stuff on engineering technology degrees. Many of them are from accredited schools and they are ABET accredited degrees. The people with them can test for their FE if they so choose.
Also here is a kicker they get paid the same as the people with the respective engineering degrees.
They are semilar in many ways but at the same time very different.

Yes my degree is in Construction Engineering Technology but at the same time companies that higher the CET guys do not want Civil Engineers. Not for pay reasons because we are paid the same but because the schooling is very different and what the CET guys learn is useful in construction. We are not designers like the Civil Engineers are. Hell I was offered a job that normally a Civil Engineering is offered because I could learn the design side I came out of school with an stronger understanding of the construction side.

Real problem that you run into is schools like ITT which are NOT accredited destroy the name of an accredited degree like mine. Mind you the pay that an ITT person would get is 20+k less than what I would get fresh out of school.

Here's where I'm coming from. I have an ABET accredited Electronics Engineering Tech bachelor's from Devry and probably the only good thing about it is it allowed me to take the FE. There's only one other school I know in Southern CA that offers this degree - Cal Poly Pomona. The reason why no other school offers it is because, ABET accredited or not, the degree is just a watered down EE degree. All you can get with it is technican work. In the workplace, you have your engineers and you have your technicians (field, manufacturing, test, etc). I don't need a bachelor's degree to be in the latter group.

Also I just looked up ABET Technology accreditation and 90% of the accredited programs are on the east coast. Here in CA, we have 3 schools total with ABET technology programs - 2 Cal States and Devry. 21 Cal States don't have it, no UC's have it, and none of the prestigious private universities (IE USC, Stanford) offer it. Which reflects on the job options here for technology bachelors and if you're not from CA, that probably explains why your experience is different than mine.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Here's where I'm coming from. I have an ABET accredited Electronics Engineering Tech bachelor's from Devry and probably the only good thing about it is it allowed me to take the FE. There's only one other school I know in Southern CA that offers this degree - Cal Poly Pomona. The reason why no other school offers it is because, ABET accredited or not, the degree is just a watered down EE degree. All you can get with it is technican work. In the workplace, you have your engineers and you have your technicians (field, manufacturing, test, etc). I don't need a bachelor's degree to be in the latter group.

Also I just looked up ABET Technology accreditation and 90% of the accredited programs are on the east coast. Here in CA, we have 3 schools total with ABET technology programs - 2 Cal States and Devry. 21 Cal States don't have it, no UC's have it, and none of the prestigious private universities (IE USC, Stanford) offer it. Which reflects on the job options here for technology bachelors and if you're not from CA, that probably explains why your experience is different than mine.

Well you know your argument is hurt when you say Devry but at the same time you are in another state.
I am in Texas. Got my degree in Texas. Texas has some of the leading Engineering Technology programs in the country. Here people with the Engineering Technology degrees are making as much as people who have the respective engineering degrees and it is being found that companies will want one or the other.
Now it could be the fact that we have a much higher demand for Engineers in Texas than in the rest of the country so the difference is much easier to see and company are seeing the advantages of higher the people with then Engineering Technology degrees.
Just do not say they are short. They are starting to clamp down and it is harder to get into those programs because they are filling up.
I switch from Civil to CET because I liked CET better. I have a minor in Civil Engineering but CET is more where I wanted to go at the time.
Now I am back in school getting a Computer Science degree so I am going a completely different direction now.

 

[Liquorpuki]

Well you know your argument is hurt when you say Devry but at the same time you are in another state.

No clue what you mean by this. You said engineering tech degrees that are accredited have merit. Devry is accredited yet its degrees are useless. Besides Devry, there are only 2 other schools in the whole state of CA that offer accredited engineering tech degrees. I don't know anybody from Maritime but I do know two Engineering Tech grads from Cal Poly who became engineers and do engineering. The work they now do is the same as an EE. Only difference is they're required to wait twice as long to qualify for PE licensing - they should've just gotten an EE degree in the first place (AKA there's nothing special about an engineering technology degree from Cal Poly or Maritime either).

I mention I'm in CA because my experience is filtered through job hunting and living here. Over here nobody cares if you have an engineering technology degree because nobody knows what the difference is between engineering technology and just plain engineering. The only difference I've seen personally is I have to get 4 years of experience to take the PE as opposed to just 2.

From observation, engineering tech grads fulfill either engineering roles (which you're better off getting an engineering degree in the first place) or technician/tester roles (which all you need is an associate's degree), not their own niche, and few engineering tech grads become engineers - most become technicians, making their bachelors degree a waste. What exactly do companies in Texas hire engineering tech grads for - what can they do that guys with engineering degrees or guys with associate degrees can't do?

I'm asking earnestly because I don't see what you see.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

No clue what you mean by this. You said engineering tech degrees that are accredited have merit. Devry is accredited yet its degrees are useless. Besides Devry, there are only 2 other schools in the whole state of CA that offer accredited engineering tech degrees. I don't know anybody from Maritime but I do know two Engineering Tech grads from Cal Poly who became engineers and do engineering. The work they now do is the same as an EE. Only difference is they're required to wait twice as long to qualify for PE licensing - they should've just gotten an EE degree in the first place (AKA there's nothing special about an engineering technology degree from Cal Poly or Maritime either).

I mention I'm in CA because my experience is filtered through job hunting and living here. Over here nobody cares if you have an engineering technology degree because nobody knows what the difference is between engineering technology and just plain engineering. The only difference I've seen personally is I have to get 4 years of experience to take the PE as opposed to just 2.

From observation, engineering tech grads fulfill either engineering roles (which you're better off getting an engineering degree in the first place) or technician/tester roles (which all you need is an associate's degree), not their own niche, and few engineering tech grads become engineers - most become technicians, making their bachelors degree a waste. What exactly do companies in Texas hire engineering tech grads for - what can they do that guys with engineering degrees or guys with associate degrees can't do?

I'm asking earnestly because I don't see what you see.

depends if you want to go for you PE or not. I know quite a few engineers who have no interested in getting their PE and a lot of jobs you need an engineering degree but not the PE. The only engineering that you really have to get your PE for is Civil as that group his the glass ceiling with out it. The rest not as critical and if you never sign off on drawings it does not matter.
Civil is about the only one were you really need to get it.

 

[Toushirou]

itt-tech bad

the more and more i read online the more that dislike getting my degree from itt-tech that it make it harder for me to get a job. and i just went back for my BAS. some one from one of my other bored that i use for work said to stay away from itt-tech. little to late but i just going to finish this first quarter with itt-tech then retake my AS at my community collage i cant just drop out still going to use finical-aid so that i can push my loans in till i can afford to pay them back if i where to drop out right now it would be a total over $600 a month for about 25k in loans from itt-tech that half of my pay right now and still have a phone and car bills to pay each month mostly gas about $400 a month in gas for me to go to work and back. any ways i would snuggest to get out of itt-tech and to a CC near by. i did like itt-tech and the teacher there where great but it will still not help you much when the name of itt-tech is not worth anything in most business an makes it hard to get a job. (as i have all ready seen.) but now i know and i can correct what i am doing now before its to late and i spend another almost 30k for my BA. just this one quarter alone is about 4k or about $400 a credit .

 

[Thnkdifferent]

ITT Tech?

Hey,

I saw an earlier thread about Devry and it inspired me to create this one. Anyone graduate or go to school there and have a successful carrer? Thoughts?

Hopefully this is in the right area. If not feel free to relocate. Thanks

 

[velocityg4]

The answers are the same as Devry don't bother. These places can be useful if you're looking to be a mechanic or medical assistant. They are just trade schools not accredited universities.

Anything offered which there are actual four year degrees offered at real universities is a waste. Same with the fields that experience is just as good or better than a trade school certificate.

I look at those places as a resume stain more than anything. Many employers will just chuck the resume and move on to the next application with actual experience or a four+ year degree.

 

[Thnkdifferent]

The answers are the same as Devry don't bother. These places can be useful if you're looking to be a mechanic or medical assistant. They are just trade schools not accredited universities.

Anything offered which there are actual four year degrees offered at real universities is a waste. Same with the fields that experience is just as good or better than a trade school certificate.

I look at those places as a resume stain more than anything. Many employers will just chuck the resume and move on to the next application with actual experience or a four+ year degree.

Thought so. Thanks!

 

[steve2112]

I used to work with a couple of people from ITT. My manager was a former instructor for them, and the other was younger guy who went there after getting out of the Army. My manager got away because he disagreed with their policies and the way they did things. My co-worker was fairly good and knew his stuff, but I think a lot of it was due to his own learning, not his ITT education. He told me if his GI Bill hadn't been paying for it, he would have gone elsewhere. And honestly, I think if our manager hadn't known him from his days as an instructor, he wouldn't have gotten hired. Velocity is right. I have talked to a lot of hiring managers who don't put much stock in an ITT degree.

The big kicker for me was that I had gone through a degree program similar to my co-worker. We both studied almost the same stuff, but mine had cost less than half because I went to a community college.

 

[tktaylor1]

I have a friend that just graduated from ITT Tech and he would advise against going there. He said it is overpriced for what it is. He did land a good job but that is only because he is friends with a person who owns his own computer repair/networking company.

My response to the Devry thread is the same response I would post here.

This is my post from the Devry thread.

To answer your question, I don't know. I don't take those kinds of schools seriously. As many have said here, go to a community college and get your prerequisites done and then transfer to a public college (if you transfer to a private college, a lot of classes won't transfer and you will end up going an extra semester or two). I learned the hard way. This really is the best route to go. Only if I had just listened to all of the advice I was given. Instead, I jumped straight into a private university and left after a year 35k in the hole with student loans. I am now at a community college for this year and transferring to a public college next year. Oh yea, don't transfer a lot like me. It is a huge pain in the ***. I am now going to have to go to college an extra year because of transferring credits and whatnot.

 

[Liquorpuki]

Only reason I can see to justify going to ITT is if you want a career as a drafter.

Other than that, it's the same as Devry except worse because it has no meaningful accreditation.

 

[Macky-Mac]

Only reason I can see to justify going to ITT is if you want a career as a drafter.

Other than that, it's the same as Devry except worse because it has no meaningful accreditation.

a drafter? .....as in "job outsourced to India?"

 

[mobilehaathi]

Why would you think ITT is any different from DeVry? Just go read the DeVry thread but first search and replace DeVry with ITT.

 

[ag3nt47]

I finished my degree at ITT about a year ago. This is all just personal opinion, but I would not recommend it to anyone. I could write a whole essay on my reasoning, but I'll be brief here. Their tuition is quite expensive (I transferred to another local university that has 18,000+ students, and compared to the school I am at now, ITT is significantly more expensive. There is no flexibility in what days or times you have classes, you can either make the class on the day that it is offered or you wait until next semester to take it and hope it's offered on a different day or at a different time. I was asked to take several classes on Saturday mornings, and actually had to postpone my final semester because of not being able to take a Saturday class. From my experience, ITT employs two types of people... those who are teachers and want to teach, and those who are technical professionals and think teaching might be the right thing for them, but don't want to make a full time career out of it.

Many of the instructors were network admins or software engineers at other local companies during the day, and taught a class here and there when it was convenient for them. I thought that would be cool that a teacher could bring "real world" experience into the classroom, but it seemed as though most of them ended up leaving because they did not have time to grade papers and write exams on top of the work they already had to deal with at their primary job.

I wouldn't recommend this school to anyone, but that's just me. If you do decide to visit one of the campuses in your area, be prepared for an experience similar to buying a used car, where they get you in the door, talk it up like its the best place ever, and then expect you to sign enrollment papers all within half an hour. Most of their admissions counselors are paid on commission (which might be the case with many other universities, I'm not sure) but it seems as though they are very eager to get students to enroll on their first visit. I remember discussing with several other fellow students how much differently the school is portrayed in the commercials that you see on TV. Regardless of the job market and the economy and all that other irrelevant stuff, the commercials seem to lead people to believe that if they go to ITT they'll be able to get right of out college and get a job in their field, or at least have a better chance of landing a job in the field that they majored in. Might be the case if you get lucky, but don't expect a Subaru STi in your driveway just because you went to ITT like the guy on the commercial did.

**Steps off Soapbox**