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iPod iTunes 12..opinions?

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iEvolution

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Is it just me or has Apple progressively treated us consumers like we're 7 years-old and don't have the brain capacity to use intelligent interfaces like iTunes 10?

I was hoping so much for the return of the ability to open two windows at once (I use two monitors, this is incredibly effective when transfering files straight from windows and manipulate playlists).

Yet sure as crap iTunes 12 is even more hand holding than the last version.

It looks like its a wonderful time to sell my iPod Classics.

The analogy is true, Apple is a tricycle while Android is a motorcycle.
 
iEvolution said:
Is it just me or has Apple progressively treated us consumers like we're 7 years-old and don't have the brain capacity to use intelligent interfaces like iTunes 10?
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That seems to be a trend, but not just with Apple. Look at how much Windows suddenly changed with Windows 8, and how MS Office was completely revamped with that annoying "ribbon." And just when people got used to the ribbon, there's that whole new "365" thing.

Whatever it is, it's annoying.

I updated iTunes (notice I didn't say "upgraded") to 12 just out of habit on my iMac, and I was appalled at what I saw. I've refused to update it on my MacBook.

The analogy is true, Apple is a tricycle while Android is a motorcycle.
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You can run iTunes on Android??

Anyhoo...what you said might be true, but I can tell you from a developer's standpoint that Apple is a LOT easier to work with; Android development is a major PITA.

But with regard to what you said...the thing is, Apple has been that way from the beginning...which is why I really, really hated the 680x0-based Macs...no CLI, too much "you don't need to do that" kind of attitude...
 
I'm not a big fan of it myself. It's annoying having to keep it in playlist view just to get the layout I'm familiar with. Even then, you have to go to those buttons up in the corner just to switch media types/go to your iPod.

Sometimes I think the UI changes just for the sake of change, rather than actually improving it.

Anyone remember this version? Happily running it on my iBook and I am not updating it. Sometimes I wish I could just downgrade back to 11 on Yosemite, but my ITL wouldn't work with it and I've got everything how I like it.

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I'm sure I will eventually get used to it, since I kind of have to. But still not a fan.
 
BrettApple said:
Sometimes I wish I could just downgrade back to 11 on Yosemite, but my ITL wouldn't work with it and I've got everything how I like it.
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There is actually a way to downgrade iTunes 12 to 11 on Yosemite, even works under 10.10.1, however since your ITL got updated your SOL.

Click here for the instructions from OS X Daily. They said it might not work, but I have done it multiple times. It is worth noting however that it seemed to break Mac App Store downloads. When I did this on my fathers MacBook Air, he couldn't download anything from the MAS except system updates. Not even app updates. Couldn't figure out what it was. Upgraded to 12.0.1 and everything went back to normal. Just a word of warning, if you want to stay with iTunes 11, stay on Mavericks.

Otherwise, I agree that Apple's handholding is getting ridiculous. It just seems to be getting progressively more intrusive under OS X. I'd honestly pay to get a "Pro" version of OS X with less handholding. I have always said it's my machine if I **** up the software I'm a big boy, I have a restore thumb drive I can fix it my damn self! It's been getting worse since 10.7 but 10.10 took a huge jump towards a baby OS. It's not the interface, I love the interface, but I'd like to still tinker with my system. Nothing screams this more then the discontinuation of Aperture and iPhoto. Don't even get me started on Kext signing!

That being said, I'll still stick to OS X as my primary OS since IMHO it's still better then Windows. Even though I use Windows almost on a daily basis, just the way the Mac handles certain things (like apps) is what keeps bring me back to OS X.

/rant. Sorry for getting a bit off topic!
 
I actually don't mind 12. I had been pretty down on 11 as it ran really poor on my Windows 8 machine. But 12 has run fairly well for me and im not bothered by the interface. I guess im in the minority.
 
I don't mind 12 either. I got used to it, and has the same features, just laid out differently.
 
mangomind said:
I don't mind 12 either. I got used to it, and has the same features, just laid out differently.
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Yeah true. This happens when any service changes its interface. Look at how people reacted when Facebook to the timeline in 2012. People are entitled to opinions and not everyone is going to like the choices Apple make when it comes to iTunes.
 
iTunes is now useless for large libraries its gone from the reason i owned a Mac to a never used application.. I have shifted my collection of TV and Movies over to Plex (thankfully 90% of my library is either DVD rips so i don't have to keep opening boxes, or recorded from TV via Elgato DTT)

Obviously i was using iTunes for everything except its original purpose (music) so i don't know how it effects the music library owners.

But for those of us who used to use it for TV/Movie libraries, its now useless, its also rendered my apple TVs useless, i went and replaced them with Amazon boxes for PLEX use and haven't looked back.

Apple REALLY needs to go back to the days where design needs to also be intuitive and useful (which it used to be) not just "pretty" and "fashionable" (which it has become)

I for one loved apple 2008-2010, the hardware + software were perfectly aligned and a joy to use, since then, its all been downhill from a design perspective with what seems to be change for change sake.

Sadly i don't see myself owning another apple product that isn't a phone, the apple TV is a useless device now I don't use iTunes as a media manager, I have replaced my iPad with a windows 8.1 Tablet that is only slightly larger, but infinitely more useful a device, being that it runs full software, not "apps" and has a keyboard. (It also cost 1/3rd the cost of an iPad) which leaves me with a now ageing 2011 iMac that i wont upgrade because its the last iMac released that i can swap out my own HDDs as i need larger capacity)

But i guess apple doesn't want my business anymore, it wants the business of the people who want fashion items and who replace them every other year. Oh and of course its main business now is selling Phones, so perhaps its TRYING to kill its computing side off ?
 
Nightarchaon said:
iTunes is now useless for large libraries its gone from the reason i owned a Mac to a never used application.. I have shifted my collection of TV and Movies over to Plex (thankfully 90% of my library is either DVD rips so i don't have to keep opening boxes, or recorded from TV via Elgato DTT)

Obviously i was using iTunes for everything except its original purpose (music) so i don't know how it effects the music library owners.

But for those of us who used to use it for TV/Movie libraries, its now useless, its also rendered my apple TVs useless, i went and replaced them with Amazon boxes for PLEX use and haven't looked back.

Apple REALLY needs to go back to the days where design needs to also be intuitive and useful (which it used to be) not just "pretty" and "fashionable" (which it has become)

I for one loved apple 2008-2010, the hardware + software were perfectly aligned and a joy to use, since then, its all been downhill from a design perspective with what seems to be change for change sake.

Sadly i don't see myself owning another apple product that isn't a phone, the apple TV is a useless device now I don't use iTunes as a media manager, I have replaced my iPad with a windows 8.1 Tablet that is only slightly larger, but infinitely more useful a device, being that it runs full software, not "apps" and has a keyboard. (It also cost 1/3rd the cost of an iPad) which leaves me with a now ageing 2011 iMac that i wont upgrade because its the last iMac released that i can swap out my own HDDs as i need larger capacity)

But i guess apple doesn't want my business anymore, it wants the business of the people who want fashion items and who replace them every other year. Oh and of course its main business now is selling Phones, so perhaps its TRYING to kill its computing side off ?
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You want a full operating system buy a laptop, for me a tablet is for media consumption and for that an Ipad excels
 
interesting that you mention 2008-2010. when steve jobs introduced the concept of the digital hub in 2001 i really bought into it and i still do. and it advanced up until 2010 when the concept was killed off to make the cloud the central theme. my most modern mac is a 2009 macbook and it will remain my most modern mac along with software from that era. not bitter, i'm just perfectly satisfied with what i have.
 
Scarpad said:
You want a full operating system buy a laptop, for me a tablet is for media consumption and for that an Ipad excels
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I use my tablet for media consumption to, and it is FAR better at that the iPad as well, purely because it can run ANYTHING, no need to be limited by an App Store or a browser that is crippled.

Using an iPad or iPhone on the internet has become really annoying, for the simple reason that a large number of websites now "push" app store links, so i load a page and it kicks me out to Apps, i go back and it wants to reload the site, that then kicks me back to Apps... so i cant access the site on mobile...

overall id rather they produced a touch screen macbook air, with an optional keyboard cover (Microsoft Surface style).. that could be a consumption AND productivity tool

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gooser said:
interesting that you mention 2008-2010. when steve jobs introduced the concept of the digital hub in 2001 i really bought into it and i still do. and it advanced up until 2010 when the concept was killed off to make my butt the central theme. my most modern mac is a 2009 macbook and it will remain my most modern mac along with software from that era. not bitter, i'm just perfectly satisfied with what i have.
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Yes, i think you and I have very similar feelings, Apple Peaked in both quality and usability at that point, and have not innovated or pushed forward since, but rather seem to just be implementing change for the sake of saying "new"
 
I did get used to iTunes 12, but that doesn't mean I like it.

My wife updated to 12 on her MacBookPro and hit the roof when she saw the result. Also, we share libraries, and the importing functionality completely changed, right down to how you're logged in to the iTunes Store. ughhh...
 
Not much of a difference i got used to it pretty quickly just a different layout, very easy to get aquatinted to.
 
iEvolution said:
I was hoping so much for the return of the ability to open two windows at once (I use two monitors, this is incredibly effective when transfering files straight from windows and manipulate playlists).
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I also really miss this feature. It's so frustrating when you want to compare two different views.
 
I miss iTunes DJ but thats not specific to iTunes 12.

What I really miss is being able to revert to the classic view. Personally I love the new way, but I know so many people loved the old interface. Why not just give the option so that everyone is satisfied?
 
Did you know that you can see much of the classic view by going to Music > Playlists?
 
Not keen on the new theme at all. iTunes 11 seemed like a step in the right direction... iTunes 12 seems like a step backwards. It looks dumb.

Not that it matters to me. I still use iTunes 4. Back when it was solely a music player and didn't have the kitchen sink bundled with it.
 
Using iTunes is such a bad experience for me, I use it when I have to update my videos and music, and only if I must. So happy I can now delete music directly off my iPhone. Generally 2014 was a year to forget in relation to Apple software, well the end of 2014.... Hopefully in a few more releases they can fix that mess
 
I hated it at first because I couldn't find anything since it was all rearranged. Now that I've gotten used to it, I still hate it because I have to do a lot more clicking to access things because they decided to tuck everything away to make it look "good".

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roadbloc said:
Not that it matters to me. I still use iTunes 4. Back when it was solely a music player and didn't have the kitchen sink bundled with it.
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Back when you could actually burn a playlist onto 2 discs if it didn't fit on one :p
I don't know if that got fixed, but it was broken since iTunes 10 or something. It would always say the second disc was not blank.
 
Not sure if this is an iTunes problem, iOS issue or even operator error, but I can't get my Iphone 5 to sync music correctly since iTunes 12 (Itunes is on a Windows box if that matters). So I click on my iphone icon, the left column shows up with a bunch of things under SETTINGS, and then more under On My Device. I select items under SETTINGS on the Music tab, pick an Album or two to add to the phone, click apply and it then syncs the phone. So far so good. Now I click on Music under ON MY DEVICE and it says at the top it has 1021 songs 2.9 days, thats great except if I look at the song list underneath, over 300 of them are ghosted out, and have a dotted circle in front of them and though the phone appears to have them when I look at it, if I try and play one of these songs/albums that are ghosted it quickly runs through the entire album song titles and then the album looks like it needs to be downloaded again, the phone has only 1/2 the space used at the moment, there is more then enough space to put the missing 300+ songs on the iphone but it just doesnt. Interestingly if I click on the bar graph at the bottom it lists 698 songs instead of the 1021 from above which I believe is the correct number that are not ghosted, but I have not idea how to fix the issue, and having 1/2 my albums I want on my phone be either incomplete or completely missing. Floyd's Wall is not meant to be played as tracks 1, 4 & 7 only. Any ideas, solutions, etc I would love to hear, the phone is basically worthless for playing music for me at the moment, which is one of the key things I do with it, so its really not good.
 
Went from Yosemite and iTunes 12 to Mountain Lion and iTunes 11

I did a clean install of Yosemite and updated iTunes to 12.0.1. I was fine and I adjusted to the interface (except the eyestrain), until I found one key feature removed that I can't live without: in iTunes 12.x, local browser bookmark syncing was removed in favor of iCloud syncing--you know, the same cloud service that got hacked last year.

I work for a government contractor and we were told a few years ago that we can't have our browser bookmarks in the cloud, so back to Mountain Lion and iTunes 11 I went.

I submitted both iTunes and Yosemite feedback, but I don't expect anything to change. I also did not like what they did with iBooks, which is why I deleted it on Yosemite before using it so my books stayed in iTunes.
 
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