Originally posted by ckwm
Still 4.11 on the UK site. Music Store updates are irrelevant to us anyway
the music store is a fantastic place to discover new music... that is mainly what i use it for, until I actually get to download the stuff...
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iTunes 4.2 Released
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the music store is a fantastic place to discover new music... that is mainly what i use it for, until I actually get to download the stuff...
Can you "maximize" the Mac iTunes version yet? No matter what Mac I try it on, I can't get the iTunes window to go all the way to the right edge of the screen (if the left is flush). Seems like there's this mysterious buffer of about 30px that it won't let you go all the way to the edge.
Anyone know what I'm talking about? It happens on my iBook and Powerbook... so it's not a hard-coded limitation, but is relative to what size display you are using.
This is very annoying! Not to mention also how there is another 20px or so grey area between the scroll bar and the edge of the window. What is Apple thinking? I want to be able to maximize my window like I do in Safari, so I can blindly flick the mouse to the right side of the screen and hit the scroll bar. UGH.
Ben
Anyone know what I'm talking about? It happens on my iBook and Powerbook... so it's not a hard-coded limitation, but is relative to what size display you are using.
This is very annoying! Not to mention also how there is another 20px or so grey area between the scroll bar and the edge of the window. What is Apple thinking? I want to be able to maximize my window like I do in Safari, so I can blindly flick the mouse to the right side of the screen and hit the scroll bar. UGH.
Ben
the update for windows is excellent. now itunes 4.2 displays a system bar icon which can be right clicked, offering the same features of the mac to windows users. i can switch songs, toggle repeat and shuffle, the same as right clicking the taskbar icon in osx. the maximize button now functions properly as previously stated, by stretching the display to fullscreen. now the only way to access the 'mini-player' is by hitting control-m or selecting the option under the advanced tab.
nice new updates for my powerbook and windoze box. thanks apple.
nice new updates for my powerbook and windoze box. thanks apple.
i wonder what kind of improvments another update to iPhoto will bring... after 10.3.2... iPhoto is perfoming like a champ...
Win iTunes update?
When I use Check for update on my win2k box at work it says v4.1.1 is the latest version. Guess I'll d/l from apple site manually.
When I use Check for update on my win2k box at work it says v4.1.1 is the latest version. Guess I'll d/l from apple site manually.
New policy?
Found in Win2k iTunes intaller...
Important: After installing iTunes 4.2 for Windows, you'll only be able to transfer music to your iPod using iTunes. To transfer music from MusicMatch Jukebox or Audible Manager to your iPod, you'll need to first import the music into iTunes. For more information, search iTunes and Music Store Help.
Is this new?
Found in Win2k iTunes intaller...
Important: After installing iTunes 4.2 for Windows, you'll only be able to transfer music to your iPod using iTunes. To transfer music from MusicMatch Jukebox or Audible Manager to your iPod, you'll need to first import the music into iTunes. For more information, search iTunes and Music Store Help.
Is this new?
Update's gone fine on OS X, and I've just found that the new version shows up in the Check For Updates option in iTunes for Windows.
Lots of updates over the past 24hrs, all ran perfectly (iMac G3/500)
Lots of updates over the past 24hrs, all ran perfectly (iMac G3/500)
copyright 2004
Rightsholders have the option of choosing the next year for copyright beginning on July 1 of each year. Most new books in the bookstore now are copyright 2004.
Rightsholders have the option of choosing the next year for copyright beginning on July 1 of each year. Most new books in the bookstore now are copyright 2004.
Can anyone confirm if the update affects all installed versions of iTunes. The reason that I ask is because I keep two versions of iTunes, 4.1.1 and 4.0. I still stream music to and from my work computer on iTunes 4.0 so I don't want to lose that ability.
I am concerned that the update might seek out all versions of iTunes on the computer and update them. Does anyone else who has updated already run more than one version of iTunes?
I can always burn it to a CD but I thought I'd ask.
I am concerned that the update might seek out all versions of iTunes on the computer and update them. Does anyone else who has updated already run more than one version of iTunes?
I can always burn it to a CD but I thought I'd ask.
Originally posted by Jackk
Windows version is 4.2.072. It also updated Quicktime to 6.5. Apple seems to be little ahead of time, quicktime's copyright says: 1992-2004
Window resize is much smoother in iTunes now. Music store does not open in a new window.
You have discovered the secret to Apple's success. Some companies outsource development to India or China; Apple outsources development to "next year".
Look for the amazing iTimeTravel app to be added to iLife in January!
Of course iTimeTravel will be developed in 2005 and release Jan 2004. The app would expalin a lot about Apple.
Actually, the grey bar past the scrollbar is very useful. It is no doubt from the OS 9 days, a great feature where you can drag a window from any edge of it, instead of the top bar, like in Windows, and many parts of Mac OS X. You can click on that bar, and drag the window using that to get a hold, instead of going to the titlebar of the window to do it, very useful. A shame this functionality is missing in most other OS X apps, well atleast its there in Panther's brushed metal finder.
I'd guess YES, this installed will wipe out all your old versions. It did delete all my shortcuts in task bar and desktop on win2k using itunes 4.1.1 version.
And yes you can open iTunes music store in seperate window, just by double-clicking on name in playlist area.
And for PC version you can now scale to full screen (middle button in title bar), and now have to use new pull-down menu (or Ctrl+M) under Advanced to go micro-player version, which is what I prefer while listening to radio streams.
Grouping
Is it me, or is the Grouping field new in 4.2? And if I missed it in 4.1, what is its intent?
Under the "Get Info..." option.
Is it me, or is the Grouping field new in 4.2? And if I missed it in 4.1, what is its intent?
Under the "Get Info..." option.
One again, Apple's just pumping out the updates - great to see! This is a great warm-up for MWSF. I can't wait to see what else will be released in the next month.
Re: copyright 2004
not like it matters since they keep extending the expiration on the copyright every 5 or 10 years for another 10-15 years.
It'll be the year 2525 before any of this is in the public domain.
not like it matters since they keep extending the expiration on the copyright every 5 or 10 years for another 10-15 years.
It'll be the year 2525 before any of this is in the public domain.
That is SO annoying.
I rarely ever maximise programs, so I liked having the mini-mode button there...
It *kinda* makes sense for windows that you aren't likely to have full-screen and will move around a lot, like in the Finder. Even so, you can still move the window around using the bottom edge or the top edge.
I don't know about you, but I scroll my windows a lot more than I move them around the screen. Thus, Apple should get rid of that wasteful grey area to the right of the scroll bar. I hate having to perfectly target the scroll area everytime I want to use it. It makes more sense for the scroll bar to be at the extreme right edge of the screen so you can just "flick" to it.
Am I the only person who wants to maximize their iTunes window? I have over 12,000 songs in my library, and a lot of fields I want to be able to see at once. Why can't this stupid thing be maximized on the Mac?
i liked having the mini-mode available with the min/max button in the win version. i rarely maximize stuff, so i never use it now.
the GUI still feels a little sluggish here, but it does open a lot faster now. i'm running a sort of old machine, but it opens really snappy now and there are no hiccups while playing. a good update.
the GUI still feels a little sluggish here, but it does open a lot faster now. i'm running a sort of old machine, but it opens really snappy now and there are no hiccups while playing. a good update.
> Is it me, or is the Grouping field new in 4.2?
> And if I missed it in 4.1, what is its intent?
Good find....I can't find anything in the documentation about this, but I'm pretty sure it's new in 4.2. You can also show the Grouping column in the library.
One use that I can think of is for multi-track compositions, as in classical music. Right now I have to name the tracks something like "Symphony No. 2 - Allegro", but this way I could put "Symphony No. 2" into the Grouping field and just leave the title "Allegro." This is just an idea, though; I don't know if it's the intended use.
(If that's what it's for, it would be nice if this field got displayed on the iPod, before or after the title. In fact, I made a suggestion a while back that they do something just like this.)
Jacob
> And if I missed it in 4.1, what is its intent?
Good find....I can't find anything in the documentation about this, but I'm pretty sure it's new in 4.2. You can also show the Grouping column in the library.
One use that I can think of is for multi-track compositions, as in classical music. Right now I have to name the tracks something like "Symphony No. 2 - Allegro", but this way I could put "Symphony No. 2" into the Grouping field and just leave the title "Allegro." This is just an idea, though; I don't know if it's the intended use.
(If that's what it's for, it would be nice if this field got displayed on the iPod, before or after the title. In fact, I made a suggestion a while back that they do something just like this.)
Jacob
Thanks to user allgood2 on Slashdot for this iTunes 4.2 feature update:
My quick review of changes in iTunes 4.2 on Mac OS X (sorry won't have access to a Win2k machine until next week), these are the immediate changes I notice:
Hot Tips
http://www.apple.com/itunes/hottips/
Apple introduced hot tips on creating Smart Playlist, keyboard shortcuts, copy song, artist, and album urls from the iTunes Music Store, etc.
Grouping
Under song details, there is now a new ID3 tag called grouping. I'm not certain if this will allow for subcategories, or can be used for things such as Celebrity Playlist so songs from multiple albums can be grouped. I'll have to play with it. Also added to Smart Playlist queries.
Artwork
Added scaler to artwork, so images can be scaled up or down to fit album space area.
Playlist from Selection
For those who complained about queue-ing songs, I imagine this feature will come in handy, as well as for other purposes as well. Allows you to Command-Select (Click) on random songs in your library then create a playlist from them, immediately.
Music Store in New Window
Double-clicking will launch the music store in a new window (yeah).
iTMS: Music Essentials
Like Celebrity playlist, but collections of "iTunes Essential" music in categories I wouldn't have imagined, including Disco Ball Essentials and Coctail Party Kitsch--yet more ways to spend even more money.
iTMS: AOL Sessions
Added more music "exclusives" basically various performances by artist for AOL can now be purchased.
iTMS: AOL Users
Tons of direct access stuff for AOL users. Which, if they can do this for AOL, maybe they could do it for other venues, like artist who do live concert releases.
iTMS: Artist Self-Released Albums (Return of the EP)
This was there before, but some artist like Pearl Jam who are self published are and can now release stuff directly to the iTMS. I also noticed John Mayer's "As Is" is not attributed to Sony or any music label (which may indicate that it was also self-published). Ben Folds have also been doing a number of quick EPs, but they are all still published attributed to EPIC. It will be interesting to see if more artist start releasing EPs with 4-5 songs exclusively for iTMS or other music stores, and then have regular albums published every 1-2yrs.
These were the things I noticed immediately. Now I need to go and play and see what else comes up.
My quick review of changes in iTunes 4.2 on Mac OS X (sorry won't have access to a Win2k machine until next week), these are the immediate changes I notice:
Hot Tips
http://www.apple.com/itunes/hottips/
Apple introduced hot tips on creating Smart Playlist, keyboard shortcuts, copy song, artist, and album urls from the iTunes Music Store, etc.
Grouping
Under song details, there is now a new ID3 tag called grouping. I'm not certain if this will allow for subcategories, or can be used for things such as Celebrity Playlist so songs from multiple albums can be grouped. I'll have to play with it. Also added to Smart Playlist queries.
Artwork
Added scaler to artwork, so images can be scaled up or down to fit album space area.
Playlist from Selection
For those who complained about queue-ing songs, I imagine this feature will come in handy, as well as for other purposes as well. Allows you to Command-Select (Click) on random songs in your library then create a playlist from them, immediately.
Music Store in New Window
Double-clicking will launch the music store in a new window (yeah).
iTMS: Music Essentials
Like Celebrity playlist, but collections of "iTunes Essential" music in categories I wouldn't have imagined, including Disco Ball Essentials and Coctail Party Kitsch--yet more ways to spend even more money.
iTMS: AOL Sessions
Added more music "exclusives" basically various performances by artist for AOL can now be purchased.
iTMS: AOL Users
Tons of direct access stuff for AOL users. Which, if they can do this for AOL, maybe they could do it for other venues, like artist who do live concert releases.
iTMS: Artist Self-Released Albums (Return of the EP)
This was there before, but some artist like Pearl Jam who are self published are and can now release stuff directly to the iTMS. I also noticed John Mayer's "As Is" is not attributed to Sony or any music label (which may indicate that it was also self-published). Ben Folds have also been doing a number of quick EPs, but they are all still published attributed to EPIC. It will be interesting to see if more artist start releasing EPs with 4-5 songs exclusively for iTMS or other music stores, and then have regular albums published every 1-2yrs.
These were the things I noticed immediately. Now I need to go and play and see what else comes up.