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WM. said:
Lemme take a crack at this...I suppose I could just look these things up, but it's more fun to see what I remember... :)

For sure. It is a lot more fun, but it allows us to be a lot more wrong too. :)

WM. said:
No, I'm pretty sure that 4.0.1 was the one that eliminated sharing over the web (only a week after 4.0 came out), and 4.1 was the first version for Windows.

Yep, both of those are correct. 4.0.1 restricted sharing to your subnet, and 4.1 was when hell froze over.

It turns out 4.2 was released with support for using your AOL account in iTunes:

iTunes 4.2 allows you to sign in and buy music from the iTunes Music Store using either your AOL or Apple Account, view the iTunes Music Store in a separate window, and includes a number of performance improvements

WM. said:
I think they introduced Apple Lossless before the first anniversary of the iTMS (i.e. before 4.5), so that might have been it. Probably various other improvements as well.

After 4.2 was released in December, Apple jumped to 4.5 in April 2004, 1 year after the iTMS was launched in 2003. Apple Loseless was intro'd there, along with a variety of other additions.

I think we did pretty well for ourselves without looking anything up though. Nice job. :)
 
My guess is that iTunes 4.8 will be Apple's way of rolling out a bunch of little changes they've wanted to make, but none of them individually warranted a version number bump.

A list of possible changes:
1. iTMS updates (new features, more countries, etc.)
2. iPod-related updates (both for new and older iPods)
3. New ways of looking at your music (a la Party Shuffle)
4. Various minor bugfixes
 
two things that i would like to see sometime soon:

1. subfolders in playlists
2. the ability to have a song point to a shortcut. this would mean that if you had a cd by an artist and that artist has a song on lets say a soundtrack there wouldn't be a need to have two of the same songs on your computer and would save space. but this would still allow you to listen to the song when your playing either the cd or soundtrack.
 
rideahyperLite said:
two things that i would like to see sometime soon:

1. subfolders in playlists
2. the ability to have a song point to a shortcut. this would mean that if you had a cd by an artist and that artist has a song on lets say a soundtrack there wouldn't be a need to have two of the same songs on your computer and would save space. but this would still allow you to listen to the song when your playing either the cd or soundtrack.


Yup! I agree with both.

Especially number 2:
It would be awesome to save space that way by shortcuts, and they could put a little logo so show it was a shortcut. The only problem I can see is that i have a ton of live stuff on there and when I click Show Duplicate Songs now, it shows those songs... so it might replace my live songs with those...

The only thing is number two would be too hard to do to please everyone and with the upgraded iPod capacity, doesn't look like Apple would be doing this.
 
There is a ton they could do to improve iTunes in 4.8. I just hope that Apple has been reading <a href="http://apple.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000977027213/">The Unofficial Apple Weblog</a>. Classical music is where the biggest problem with iTunes is. When I browse the classical genre, I am most likely not looking for the performer or the album. I am looking for the composer or the work. The grouping tag is nice, but is essentially useless. You can't play by grouping or shuffle by grouping. You can sort by grouping in iTunes, but you can't play them in grouping order. Nice thought but completely useless. You also can't create smart playlists that are selected by grouping. Why is that even there anyway? Perhaps it was in preparation for a substantial update in the way iTunes handles classical? God, I hope so.

Godspeed,
 
jxpx777 said:
There is a ton they could do to improve iTunes in 4.8. I just hope that Apple has been reading <a href="http://apple.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000977027213/">The Unofficial Apple Weblog</a>. Classical music is where the biggest problem with iTunes is. When I browse the classical genre, I am most likely not looking for the performer or the album. I am looking for the composer or the work. The grouping tag is nice, but is essentially useless. You can't play by grouping or shuffle by grouping. You can sort by grouping in iTunes, but you can't play them in grouping order. Nice thought but completely useless. You also can't create smart playlists that are selected by grouping. Why is that even there anyway? Perhaps it was in preparation for a substantial update in the way iTunes handles classical? God, I hope so.

Godspeed,
I thought all "play by grouping" was was sorting by grouping then playing the playlist like you normally would, which is possible in iTunes 4.7.1.
Wrong again about smart playlists by grouping - I see Grouping as one of the filter options in the Edit Smart Playlist dialog. What is "shuffle by grouping" supposed to mean? As far as I'm aware, you don't shuffle by anything in iTunes - you just shuffle.
 
I don't know if this will be ever possible, but, I've always wanted iTunes controls from the keyboard. I mean, they would be so handy when running a lot of apps and can't take the time to bring iTunes to the front and just click one button and then make it dissappear behind your windows. I always wanted to tell Apple this somehow, but it's very hard since they don't have a "keyboard and mouse feedback" :/
 
A Feature or two I wouldn't Mind Seeing...

There is a feature or two that I wouldn't mind seeing, to be quite honest.

Lyrics Support:
Firstly, there have been a few attempts to add lyric support for one's iTunes library... third party applications do exist where it attempts to create a database alongside one's existing library to store lyrics and the like for each particular song in the confines of the third-party app. The overall experience of these applications, for me at least, have been rather crude at best. I'd love to see iTunes add comprehensive lyric support, and make the lyrics searchable. I have a moderate playlist with just over 3,000 tracks. I don't necessarily get to all of the music on a regular basis, and sometimes I can remember a lyric better than I can remember an artist or song title, particularly a song that has a really strong hook of a chorus. It'd be quite handy to make this a searchable item, quite handy indeed. It'd be particularly handy when searching for just the right song when you've got a friend's iTunes library at your disposal... my buddy has a library that is in excess of 90GB; he literally has tens of thousands of tracks.

Album Artwork and CD Inserts:
Secondly, it'd be nice if the iTunes could offer a better, cleaner way of managing album artwork. It'd be awfully nice if they implemented an Album Artwork Database, based off of the iTMS. Importing CDs would not only sync up with the CDDB for track names and the like, but also sync up with an Apple album artwork database. This first part is highly unrealistic, but I think it'd be great. Also, as far as album artwork is concerned, It'd be sweet beans if they also offered from the iTMS, upon purchasing entire albums, one would also receive all of the CD inserts that one typically gets upon buying the actual album, rather than the digital music. This, too, is highly unrealistic, and would require an entire rework of the system, I'm afraid...
More realisticly, though, I'd love to see, as I said above, just a better way of managing the album artwork... smarter, if you will. For instance, when you import a CD with iTunes, and find the album artwork from say, Amazon.com, I'd like to see it auto-populate the album artwork to all of the tracks of the same album. Of course, one could just select all of the tracks at the very same time, and then add the album artwork, but I think we can all agree that it'd be a sexy feature.
Also, adding more support for the highly ambitious audiophile, or whatever they like to call themselves these days, who might like to either find or scan in their own CD Inserts and back-cover album artwork. As far as I know, this simply does not exist in iTunes currently.
Haven't any of you ever added a crumby album artwork picture, only to find a better picture for the album artwork? It's a real pain in the ass removing all of existing artwork from all of the tracks.

LAME Encoding, Natively:
True, one can simply run the LAME scripts for iTunes, but I see this as kind of a hassle. I'd like to be able to simply select if in the Importing Options. These are just pipe dreams, though.

More Visualizer Control:
Anyone can control the visualizer while in the visualizer with the keyboard. There are a number of keys and configurations one can use to play with the visualizer, but really, there is a general lack of control. I'd like a nice interface that allows you to control and pre-script the visualizer. It'd be kind of neat if, say, you could match up your favourite visualizations with your favourite songs, or even going further and being abel to select different visualizers like the new and improved G-Force or GasLight for particular songs. Truely, the iTunes Visualizer is kind of cool in it's own way, but all too often do I hear bitching from my brother about how Winamps Visualizer is so much cooler and how he hates the lack of control with the one offered in iTunes.

Realistically, only one or two of these ideas presented here are even semi-plausible. Other than that, it's all wishful thinking, and ultimately crap.
 
Personally, I'd really like a skinnable interface like winamp. Sure, the current interface is perfect, but I'd like to add variety with some interesting skins.
 
What I'd like to see in Tiger's iTunes is a way to make new visualizations using Quartz Composer =). If you've played w/ Tiger you'll know what I mean...
 
Podcast Support?

How about Podcasting subscription support built into iTunes? Ability to upload Garageband songs to your .mac account and allow people to subscribe to your song/show using RSS feeds. How about blogging support for .mac accounts? Come apple... THINK DIFFERENT.
 
Lacero said:
According to unconfirmed tipsters, iTunes 6.0 is also coming soon.

Whether it is timed with the expected iPod announcements or as a separate announcement is unknown at this time. No known features have been leaked.

LOL. This has to be the worst rumor on the Mac web in years. Let me guess, Apple is also working on iLife 06, iWork 06, and Filemaker 8.

I think it is like the small regional airports that keep the word "International" in their name by doing one flight to Canada a year.

Mac"Rumors" is doing the same thing publishing nothing but air but passing it off as a rumor since they haven't had anything but retread articles from TS and AI for the past two years.
 
I'd like to be able to click/drag/select multiple items in iTunes like you can in the finder. Command clicking songs is a pain. I'd like to be able to burn a selection of songs without creating a playlist first.
 
http://apple.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000977027213 said:
I want an easier way to manage audio files distributed in multiple locations. A bunch live on my laptop, a bunch live on the desktop machine in my home office, and a bunch live on an external Firewire drive. When I’m out and about on the laptop, tracks that are not local show up with an exclamation point next to them - fine. But I want a way to say “show only those tracks which are local” so that I can play a playlist without generating the “file cannot be found” error. Maybe there’s a workaround for this - does anybody know?

I am about to have this problem - I have 22GB's music on a 40GB disk... so till I can afford to get the disk upgraded, I'm gonna have to stuff some music on my firewire drive... Anyone know how to workaround the issue?

Hob
 
to mjburling:

YES!!! GREAT IDEA!!!! I really want the lyrics. Those would rule oh so badly. Think of it, iTunes with a kareoke option. I would love to see the lyrics to some songs where the artists sometimes muble or are drowned out/
 
infectbda said:
I really hope they add support for HE-AAC.
I don't think we'll see that before QuickTime version 7 ships. Apple has stated that QT7 will be shipped as a part of the Tiger release, implying that it won't be released for Panther (or at least not before Tiger ships.)

Although part of me is looking forward to HE-AAC, another part of me is dreading the task of re-ripping all my CDs (hundreds of them) to take advantage of the new quality. It took months the first time around. (Of course, it will go faster the second time around, since all the ID3 tags for the CDs are in the iTunes database already.)
 
jxpx777 said:
There is a ton they could do to improve iTunes in 4.8. I just hope that Apple has been reading The Unofficial Apple Weblog. Classical music is where the biggest problem with iTunes is. When I browse the classical genre, I am most likely not looking for the performer or the album. I am looking for the composer or the work. The grouping tag is nice, but is essentially useless. You can't play by grouping or shuffle by grouping. You can sort by grouping in iTunes, but you can't play them in grouping order. Nice thought but completely useless. You also can't create smart playlists that are selected by grouping. Why is that even there anyway? Perhaps it was in preparation for a substantial update in the way iTunes handles classical? God, I hope so.
FWIW, I've worked around this by simply "violating" the names of the fields.

For classical music, I put the composer in the "Artist" field. If I care about who is performing, I append that to the album title. I reserve the "grouping" field for keywords describing the piece, in order to support sub-genres (a feature I'd love iTunes to support directly). For instance:
  • Song name: Étude in F min
  • Artist: Frédéric Chopin
  • Album: The Chopin Recital (André Watts, piano)
  • Genre: Classical
  • Grouping: piano, instrumental
This system isn't perfect, but it suits me well.

Using "grouping" for keywords also allows me to set up smart playlists with things like "all classicial pieces with piano and strings" or "all pop/rock songs from the 70's with guitar and organ".
 
My wishlist:

1. Automated album art and lyrics
2. Subfolders
3. FLAC and SHN support for christsake. Apple Lossless? That ticked a bunch of people off.
4. Some sort of "back" button, so that (for example) when I click on the arrow to go to the artist, and then click an album to go to an album, I can "back" up to artist. The Music Store already has this ability. It's be nice to optionally turn that little browser-bar thing on and off.
5. Smarter song fades. Playing an Album shouldn't have track fading, but playing randomly perhaps should.
6. More Shuffle options. Playing 2 or 3 songs by the same artist seems like a nice idea. Works well for radio stations.
7. A "Album View" sort of thing, where it shows the album art and other info it has for the selected songs. Also similar to how Music Store shows album info, with songs below.
 
Trowaman said:
to mjburling:

YES!!! GREAT IDEA!!!! I really want the lyrics. Those would rule oh so badly. Think of it, iTunes with a kareoke option. I would love to see the lyrics to some songs where the artists sometimes muble or are drowned out/
Absolutely yes.

I'm not so much interested in integrating it with text-files containing lyrics, but I would really love the ability to play CD+G disks. I've sent Apple a feature request explicitly asking for this.

Of course, most Macs currently shipping wouldn't be able to play them anyway - very few drives not made by Plextor have firmware that can read the subcodes where the graphics are stored on karaoke discs. But it's still a feature I'd really like.

It wouldn't be that hard to indicate a CD+G track in the library view with an icon of some kind. Then provide a visualizer option to display the CD+G graphics instead of the audio-driven anumation.

If they want to restrict this to CD+G playback and not bother trying to rip the graphics to the hard drive, that would also be acceptable for me (although not ideal.)

But I would be surprised if that feature was just slipped in without any announcement. It's a feature on the order of Party Shuffle, which was announced by Jobs at a keynote speech.
 
hob said:
I am about to have this problem - I have 22GB's music on a 40GB disk... so till I can afford to get the disk upgraded, I'm gonna have to stuff some music on my firewire drive... Anyone know how to workaround the issue?

Hob
You can use symbolic links (which are a pain to manage) or you can do what I do, which is keep my iTunes Music folder on an external HD, but keep the library on my main HD. All you have to do in iTunes is tell it to use a folder on the external HD for music, which can be found in Advanced preferences.
 
i have my music on a central server that is hardly used for anything other than music and file serving, so i use the shared music feature a lot. there are some missing features right now.

1) the ability to create and alter playlists on shared playlists
would need to password protect this feature

2) the ability to synch ipods with shared playlists
probably won't ever happen as it would be tough to prevent anyone from just downloading loads of songs.

other things i'd like to see
3) recommender system
something that hooks in to the itms as recommends music

4) moods
a feature that allows itunes to analyze the wave form, bpm, genre, artist, etc... and build playlist of "like" music.
 
dashiel said:
4) moods
a feature that allows itunes to analyze the wave form, bpm, genre, artist, etc... and build playlist of "like" music.

Yeah it would be nice to create playlists like this. I bet it would help some new DJ's who are just starting out too.
 
i was just talking to mate the other day about a super-intelligent 'Mood playlist' which created playlists of music depending on the key, BPM etc. using the internet wherever necessary.
im also sure there was a windows app years ago which used a mood system.

we can but hope. personally iTunes rocks my socks at the moment. but im sure whatever big features they put in next i'll like. provided they're good ;) of course.
 
Lyrics

Has Apple been paying attention? With all the lyrics sites out there, why hasn't this been brought to the iPod? Scrolling lyrics or the ability to click a button and get lyrics for the current song.
Not to mention, the ability to search the iTMS by lyric.
How often do you hear a song on the radio that has a specific lyric, but you don't know the song name. You go to Google and google the lyric to find out who it is. Why not go to iTMS and do the same, then if the song is there, you might be inclined to download it right then.

Give us LYRICS in iTunes 5.0 Apple!!
 
JustinEvil said:
Personally, I'd really like a skinnable interface like winamp. Sure, the current interface is perfect, but I'd like to add variety with some interesting skins.

This won't happen. Even though Apple has been guilty of being inconsisent with their own interface, giving users the ability to wreak havoc on the interface will only end up with the WinAmp nightware on the loose today. I can't stand using WinAmp because most of the skins make no sense.
 
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