iTunes 7.0.2 And Windows Vista

[3282872]

That's not necessarily true.

I purchased my very nice Compaq for $430 including shipping almost 2 years ago now. And, it still out-specs most of Apple's product line. The only exception being the Mac Pro.

And, for that $430, I've had a reliable machine that hasn't given me too much trouble.

In that time, I've had two iMac G5 systems that spent their entire time in the shop, and never spent much time actually working. I eventually sold them after their last repair, and didn't get much back out of them due to depreciation. Their value fell fast within about 3 or 4 months.

The first iMac cost me about $2200 as it was configured. That one I struggled to sell for $1200 a few months later due to Apple having released a new model shortly after I purchased mine.

The other one I purchased for around $1600. And, that one I barely managed to get $1000 out of a few months later.

So, with those two machines, I spent much more than I did for my PC. And, all I got in exchange was getting to know the repair center really, really well, and the loss of $1800 to get out of the constant repair cycle.

And, here we are much, much later, and my $430 PC is still working quite well. It's never broke down once. And, it still sits pretty high in specs compared to the current models.

Of course, I do prefer the Mac OS. But, I'm not blind enough to assume that spending more money will get me a higher quality product. I know better.

I've been using computers since before IBM released their first PC. And, out of the literally thousands of computers I've used, and the multiple hundreds I have owned, the only ones that I've ever (and I do mean EVER) taken to a repair shop have been Apples.

Hmmm, then you, my friend, have had bad luck . I've never, in all my years using computers (both Windows/Mac), have known such a situation to happen. I, and countless other friends, have had numerous problems with various Windows based PC's, and none, not one, with my Power Book G4, Power Mac G5's and Mac Pro, or iPod's, Cinema Displays, etc. I want proof of these so-called "Apple defects" LOL.

 

[kcmac]

M$ shills are everywhere these days.

Famous intros...."Let me just say first before I get flamed by all the mac people out there, I own several macs"

famous filler lines...."The Mac costs crazy amounts of money and I got a killer PC box for way less, but of course I prefer the mac os...

 

[iPoodOverZune]

Hmmm, then you, my friend, have had bad luck . I've never, in all my years using computers (both Windows/Mac), have known such a situation to happen. I, and countless other friends, have had numerous problems with various Windows based PC's, and none, not one, with my Power Book G4, Power Mac G5's and Mac Pro, or iPod's, Cinema Displays, etc. I want proof of these so-called "Apple defects" LOL.

Ditto here! I worked on windows PC for almost 7 years exclusively until I heard macs. Had too many crashes, hardware incompatibility problems, slowing performance within 3 months of fresh windows install was very typical and virus problems and many more like that. Now for the past 3 1/2 years I have peace of mind that this mac buddy just works. Great for Apple. It won me over from windoze PC products. Very happy and as long as I can see, I will be mac user. Although if I sound like a mac fanboy, then I am not coz I do use windows PC occasionally but that is because windows is an inherent evil of our computer society. Some programs just need windoze and I have to use them for that at school. Also I have kept a little older PC at home and have figured out that it is better to let PC handle all crappy websites, movie/video downloads, and other throwaway things which I don't care anyway if windows crashes. And keep mac for more serious business and precious data. Now remember I gave this extra carefulness to windows systems too once upon a time, but it still would inevitably lead to slower performance with time requiring fresh installs. With mac, the only fresh install I have done so far is when the new operating system appeared i.e. Tiger! How better it could get than this

 

[matticus008]

I purchased my very nice Compaq for $430 including shipping almost 2 years ago now. And, it still out-specs most of Apple's product line. The only exception being the Mac Pro.

Which Compaq?

Of course, I do prefer the Mac OS. But, I'm not blind enough to assume that spending more money will get me a higher quality product. I know better.

If you define quality as the defect rate, then you must have remarkably low opinions of produce. A good Fuji apple is better than a Golden Delicious, but about 1/10 of both of them are bruised or marred--because it's a higher quality variety. Apple's defect rate, for what it's worth, is below industry norm, but within the margin for several PC makers.

I've been using computers since before IBM released their first PC. And, out of the literally thousands of computers I've used, and the multiple hundreds I have owned, the only ones that I've ever (and I do mean EVER) taken to a repair shop have been Apples.

Now that's just downright hyperbole. Taken in the aggregate, reality disagrees with your own experience rather substantially. Even market analysts don't make such outlandish claims.

I know it does. All OS upgrades break some level of compatibility. I haven't been through a single one that didn't.

I've never had an upgrade as problematic as the move to Vista. Each time there were problems, there were solutions--this is not the case. Apart from system utilities, which are necessarily version-dependent, I have never had any unsolved problems with any Mac OS upgrade since 10.0. I also had only one problem with 2000->XP and no problems at all with 98->2000. Vista has by far been the worst and most frustrating of all upgrades. Even hardware specifically designed for Vista does not always work, and the OS itself is broken to the point of being only marginally usable.

I'm not anti-Microsoft or even anti-Windows. But there is no way that your experience reflects the norm or even a sizeable minority. Your bad luck with Apple hardware is unfortunate, but your luck with PC hardware is clearly exaggerated.

Command-Q is a fast way out of an application, for what it's worth.

 

[flyinmac]

M$ shills are everywhere these days.

Famous intros...."Let me just say first before I get flamed by all the mac people out there, I own several macs"

famous filler lines...."The Mac costs crazy amounts of money and I got a killer PC box for way less, but of course I prefer the mac os...

Well, I guess you don't see the distinction I'm making here.

I do prefer the Mac OS. And, I do agree that Windows crashes too much.

But, I can say that and still acknowledge that in my experience the PC hardware has been more reliable than the Mac hardware.

There is a difference between hardware and software. The hardware Apple uses has not proven as reliable to me as as the PC hardware. And, Apple charges far too much for their hardware compared to the cheaper and more reliable PC hardware I can get.

But, I will readily admit that the Mac OS (at least since OS X) and the software that runs on it is of a higher caliber than Windows. And, I have found Windows to be incapable of some of the more demanding tasks that I throw at it.

But, don't mistake that weakness in being a fault of the PC. That fault lies specifically with Windows. If the Mac OS ran on my PC, then the entire problem would be solved. I'd have a reliable machine that didn't cost a fortune, and I'd have a great OS.

But, in the last couple of years, it has come down to a choice of reliable hardware with a less capable OS and software offering; or, a less reliable machine from Apple that runs an OS capable of doing what I want it to do.

Now, there are some Apple computers that have proven rock solid for me. But, nowhere near the volume of reliable hardware that I have experienced from every other manufacturer out there. Sure, Windows is garbage. But, don't confuse Windows with the hardware it runs on.

And, for the record, the Mac systems I currently own are:

Mac Mini G4 1.25 GHz
1 GB RAM
40 GB hard drive
120 GB FireWire Hard Drive from OWC
Combo Drive (with separate DVD Writer)
19-inch wide-screen LCD monitor
OS 10.4.8

12-inch iBook G4 1.33 GHz (the last revision)
1.5 GB of RAM
40 GB hard drive
80 GB USB 2.0 hard drive
Combo Drive
OS 10.4.8

iMac G3 333 MHz
288 MB of RAM
12 GB Hard Drive
Tray Loading CD-ROM
OS 10.2.8

And, of course I've owned numerous others over the years including the two iMac G5 systems previously mentioned as duds.

I went back to the Mac Mini G4 after suffering through the two dud iMac G5 systems.

And, then of course there's a few PC's that are used for business purposes (work that has no OS X title available).

 

[flyinmac]

If you define quality as the defect rate, then you must have remarkably low opinions of produce. A good Fuji apple is better than a Golden Delicious, but about 1/10 of both of them are bruised or marred--because it's a higher quality variety. Apple's defect rate, for what it's worth, is below industry norm, but within the margin for several PC makers.

I do define quality based on defect rate. When talking about computers, the defect rate is a measure of quality. I rate the OS separately as it's reliability is reflective of it's design not the computers.

Now that's just downright hyperbole. Taken in the aggregate, reality disagrees with your own experience rather substantially. Even market analysts don't make such outlandish claims.

I guess you've just never met someone who has spent their life around as many computers as I have. And, had a pretty serious hobby with a house that held more computers than you've probably ever seen. I recently down-sized when I decided I had better things to devote my time to (like life).

I've never had an upgrade as problematic as the move to Vista. Each time there were problems, there were solutions--this is not the case. Apart from system utilities, which are necessarily version-dependent, I have never had any unsolved problems with any Mac OS upgrade since 10.0. I also had only one problem with 2000->XP and no problems at all with 98->2000. Vista has by far been the worst and most frustrating of all upgrades. Even hardware specifically designed for Vista does not always work, and the OS itself is broken to the point of being only marginally usable.

Again, I rate an OS's reliability independently of the computer. Hardware reliability is not limited by the reliability of the OS. Put a better OS on there. It's not the computers fault that Windows is garbage.

I'm not anti-Microsoft or even anti-Windows. But there is no way that your experience reflects the norm or even a sizeable minority. Your bad luck with Apple hardware is unfortunate, but your luck with PC hardware is clearly exaggerated.

I guess you'd have to have known me personally and seen the sheer mass of my previous computer collection to appreciate my experience with those machines.

They were not all PC's either. Notice I said from various manufacturers. That includes everything from old CP/M machines, to Apple II series, to Amigas, to PC's, Commodores, to Macs, to other more unique machines which few have heard of. My collection spanned more than the small PC and Mac areas. I used hardware and machines that spanned dozens of computing platforms.

My statement is simply that out of those thousands of computers of all ages (some of them had spent more than 20 years with me), the Apples (specifically the newer Macs), are the only ones I'd ever had to take in for service.

If you don't believe that I've had my hands on as many machines as I claimed, or that I've owned as many as I've claimed, then you just can't appreciate how diverse and massive a collection some people can have.

It was a bit of a mini museum.

I finally got my collection of machines down to about 60 or 70 about 3 years ago. And, about a year or so ago, I got out of it altogether and got down to just the basics and have about 5 or so now.

Command-Q is a fast way out of an application, for what it's worth.

Thank you. I keep forgetting that

 

[iAlan]

Apple has published a guide for installing iTunes on a Windows Vista system...[snip]

Not even worse than the know issues for Zune Linky

If Microsoft can't get it right for it's own products, then how can anyone else be expected to?

 

[Digital Skunk]

Just Like MS

This is just like Microsoft. Make some junk OS and have everyone else fix their bugs. When Leopard comes out it will work with everything that isn't Apple and that is Apple.

Engineers and programers care about the Macintosh environment. When it comes to Windows, they are looking for a way to pass the chore to someone else who cares. And I was thinking about running vista on my MacBook Pro just for the hell of it.

But everytime I think Windows may just be worth getting back into to MS does some lazy excuse of tech innovation and makes me hate them just by hearing about it. I don't know it I want to put an unfinished OS on my Mac system just yet.

 

[matticus008]

I do define quality based on defect rate. When talking about computers, the defect rate is a measure of quality. I rate the OS separately as it's reliability is reflective of it's design not the computers.

Is *a* measure of quality, I agree. But since the components ultimately come from a single source, the quality differential involves selection of particular hardware in terms of reliability and performance as well. Ultimately, however, because the fabrication process is the same for all tiers of hardware, the defect rate is going to be similiar across the board, both for cheap and unreliable goods (PC Chips motherboards, for example) and for higher quality parts (Mushkin RAM). A Cuisinart blender and a Walmart no-brand blender are not of the same quality, though the same percentage may be DOA.

I guess you've just never met someone who has spent their life around as many computers as I have.

No, but in my undergraduate days and into law school, I had a systems admin job for a large university campus with literally tens of thousands of machines. Our experience was governed by a painstakingly bureaucratic reporting and trouble ticket system, and at that number, we experienced failure rates across all vendors and hardware types that matched well within a standard deviation the industry specification. Neither you nor I have ever been around a sufficient number of machines to declare those norms inaccurate. Apple is no worse than average in any measure of or study in failure or customer service, and often fares near the top in any given criterion. Your experience, no matter how extensive, suffers from far too small an n-size.

I'm not saying that you're lying, and I'm not saying you shouldn't be annoyed with the hand you've been dealt, and I'm certainly not saying Apple doesn't have its fair share of issues. But to suggest that a few machines from Apple are the only broken ones among thousands, and to represent that anecdotal evidence as authoritative or reflective of the whole is misleading. The probability of you never having a single hardware problem over a span of hundreds of machines is very close to zero indeed. A near 100% failure rate for a few Apples and a 0% failure rate for hundreds of PCs is very likely an overstatement and in any case is not reflective of normal experience.

 

[Porco]

Vista users can't wait a couple of weeks now? What changed?

Seriously, why would Apple change their plans and bring forward the launch of their software (by a couple of weeks) just to help their rivals out by coinciding with Vista's launch? I wouldn't make any sense. I can understand if it was going to be months it would suck for users, but really, is a couple of weeks a big deal?! Pretend iTunes went on holiday (vacation)!

 

[Eraserhead]

With OS X, I can usually just delete the preference file, and that's generally enough to fix things. If that doesn't work, I just copy a fresh copy of the program onto my hard drive and it replaces the entire installation from the previous install.

It'd be good if programs could detect this themselves, and wouldn't be terribly difficult to implement.

 

[mac-er]

It's scary the number of programs that need to be "updated" to run on Vista.

It's almost as if they sat around and said "backward compatibility? who cares about backward compatibility?"

Apple had better backward compatibility moving their OS to run on a different processor architecture than Windows does between Vista and Windows XP. That's completely ridiculous.

I wondered who'd be the first to blame MS. This is the software developer's fault, not MS. I seem to recall that SPSS would not work when Apple changed to Tiger. Hmmm..."it's almost as if [Apple] sat around and said "backward compatibility" who cares about backward compatibility?"

 

[MacinDoc]

That's not necessarily true.

I purchased my very nice Compaq for $430 including shipping almost 2 years ago now. And, it still out-specs most of Apple's product line. The only exception being the Mac Pro.

And, for that $430, I've had a reliable machine that hasn't given me too much trouble.

In that time, I've had two iMac G5 systems that spent their entire time in the shop, and never spent much time actually working. I eventually sold them after their last repair, and didn't get much back out of them due to depreciation. Their value fell fast within about 3 or 4 months.

The first iMac cost me about $2200 as it was configured. That one I struggled to sell for $1200 a few months later due to Apple having released a new model shortly after I purchased mine.

The other one I purchased for around $1600. And, that one I barely managed to get $1000 out of a few months later.

So, with those two machines, I spent much more than I did for my PC. And, all I got in exchange was getting to know the repair center really, really well, and the loss of $1800 to get out of the constant repair cycle.

And, here we are much, much later, and my $430 PC is still working quite well. It's never broke down once. And, it still sits pretty high in specs compared to the current models.

Of course, I do prefer the Mac OS. But, I'm not blind enough to assume that spending more money will get me a higher quality product. I know better.

I've been using computers since before IBM released their first PC. And, out of the literally thousands of computers I've used, and the multiple hundreds I have owned, the only ones that I've ever (and I do mean EVER) taken to a repair shop have been Apples.

That's a real load of you-know-what. According to Consumer Reports, Compaq desktops have 70% more repairs than Apple desktops. And it is widely known that Macs keep their resale value much better than Windows PCs. I update my Mac every 1-2 years, and every time I have done that, I have been able to sell my old Mac on eBay for 70-80% of what I paid for it (retail price, since I do not qualify for Edu discount).

And there's no way that an iMac would spend that much time in the shop. If a computer has that many problems, Apple's policy is generally to replace it (less cost and hassle for Apple and the consumer).

 

[Digital Skunk]

Okay Okay

QUOTE

"Originally Posted by flyinmac
That's not necessarily true.

I purchased my very nice Compaq for $430 including shipping almost 2 years ago now. And, it still out-specs most of Apple's product line. The only exception being the Mac Pro.

And, for that $430, I've had a reliable machine that hasn't given me too much trouble.

In that time, I've had two iMac G5 systems that spent their entire time in the shop, and never spent much time actually working. I eventually sold them after their last repair, and didn't get much back out of them due to depreciation. Their value fell fast within about 3 or 4 months.

The first iMac cost me about $2200 as it was configured. That one I struggled to sell for $1200 a few months later due to Apple having released a new model shortly after I purchased mine.

The other one I purchased for around $1600. And, that one I barely managed to get $1000 out of a few months later.

So, with those two machines, I spent much more than I did for my PC. And, all I got in exchange was getting to know the repair center really, really well, and the loss of $1800 to get out of the constant repair cycle.

And, here we are much, much later, and my $430 PC is still working quite well. It's never broke down once. And, it still sits pretty high in specs compared to the current models.

Of course, I do prefer the Mac OS. But, I'm not blind enough to assume that spending more money will get me a higher quality product. I know better.

I've been using computers since before IBM released their first PC. And, out of the literally thousands of computers I've used, and the multiple hundreds I have owned, the only ones that I've ever (and I do mean EVER) taken to a repair shop have been Apples."

Okay... I know your just trying to start some trouble... coming to a Mac site and talking bad about a proven design and hardware tool like the iMac....

Let me give you some advice... DON'T pour water into the keyboard!

If your machine breaks then it is YOUR fault. Not the machines... did you carry it with you everywhere you went then dropped it or something? I haven't even had that much trouble with a Windoze box. And your Compaq would have cost you less if you sold it to some douche after a year as well. big surprise... things get old.

I don't know how you could have had so much trouble with any piece of hardware or software if you have owned HUNDREDs of machines. I think you like to start trouble. And if you ever have anymore problems with your machines again... remember PEBKAC

Problem
Exists
Between
Keyboard
And
Chair

 

[3282872]

That's a real load of you-know-what. According to Consumer Reports, Compaq desktops have 70% more repairs than Apple desktops. And it is widely known that Macs keep their resale value much better than Windows PCs. I update my Mac every 1-2 years, and every time I have done that, I have been able to sell my old Mac on eBay for 70-80% of what I paid for it (retail price, since I do not qualify for Edu discount).

And there's no way that an iMac would spend that much time in the shop. If a computer has that many problems, Apple's policy is generally to replace it (less cost and hassle for Apple and the consumer).

Thank you. I wanted to write the same factual response, but held back. I find it extremely hard to believe that two iMac G5's in a row were lemons, and that a Compaq PC would out perform an Apple system.

 

[flyinmac]

And there's no way that an iMac would spend that much time in the shop. If a computer has that many problems, Apple's policy is generally to replace it (less cost and hassle for Apple and the consumer).

Well, apparently you don't know the iMac G5 rev. A and rev. B systems. They were notorious for their many problems. Specifically a bad batch of power supplies that took the rest of the machine down with them. Then, video issues, and capacitors, and so on.

I had hoped that it was all resolved with the revision B. But, unfortunately, my revision B was worse (though it didn't have the dud power supply).

The rev. A, had a keyboard who's plastic cracked on it. Apple replaced that since it was obviously a stress crack from molding. So, that was a minor issue.

But, then the power supply died and smoked-up the computer. So, then they ordered a replacement power supply. But, the power supply had damaged the logic board.

So, it needed a new logic board.

Then, the LCD screen failed. So, they got me a new screen.

Sure, that doesn't sound like a lot of problems. But, when you factor in that it took them about 3 or 4 months to repair it all. That adds-up to a lot of down-time.

Basically, they had so many of them failing at the time, that there was about a 2-month wait for the power supply. Finally get that in, and then I had to wait in line for them to find a replacement logic board which was in even higher demand.

Finally get it back, and then the LCD screen died. So, back to waiting again. Finally got a new LCD screen, and then decided it was no-longer worth the hassle.

I just brought it home and put it up for sale before something else could die.


About a year later, I got the rev. B. I figured they were likely to have had their issues resolved.

It arrived with 3 defects. A pretty big chip in the bezel, a mouse with a stuck button / clicking mechanism, and the Ethernet port didn't work.

I called Apple immediately after taking it out of the box. But, they told me that all their computers were down (as in not working). So, she said she couldn't do anything and sent me to my local service center (which they couldn't even look-up).

So, within an hour of opening my new computer, I'm in the service center. He says I need a new logic board after diagnosing the machine. So, I wait for that.

I discussed the chip in the computer's case with him, and he says that Apple won't cover it since it's only cosmetic. I explain to him that it was like that coming out of the box, and show him the slips that show I just received it. He says they won't cover it. So, I left my machine there to await the new logic board.

He says they can only open one case number at a time, so my mouse will have to wait.

I get the machine back. It works fine.

I talk with Apple and him about the chip in the case, and they agree to replace it since it was like that out of the box.

Wait for that. It arrives, and they install it.

Then, they can finally process the claim for the mouse. So, I have to use another one while I'm still waiting for that to be resolved. The new mouse finally arrives.

So, now I'm finally done dealing with the defects that the machine arrived with. That took about a month.

Then, the LCD screen dies. So, wait for that. He tells me they can't do anything about it now because they are backed-up with a recent rush of machines that have come in. So, he advises me to just call back in a couple of weeks and see if they can get to it (only shop in town).

So, get that resolved.

Then, the backlight starts flickering. Again, wait until they have time to get around to it.

Finally, get everything fixed. Decide not to push my luck any further, and sell it before it can die again.

I went back to using my reliable Mac Mini G4 (which I'm still using).

Sorry to have to tell you the truth. But, Macs do have trouble. Not all of them. But, some do. And, after being bit by two right in a row that I couldn't use because I was always waiting for service or parts, it just left a very bad taste.

Combine that with the fact that I have absolutely never had to take any other computer from any other manufacturer to the shop in the 20+ years I've been using computers, and it really doesn't make them look good.

As for them replacing duds, that's something you have to get them to agree to. They wouldn't for me. I mentioned it, but they wanted to just keep pushing through with repairs.

 

[3282872]

Well, apparently you don't know the iMac G5 rev. A and rev. B systems.

The rev. A, had a keyboard who's plastic cracked on it. Apple replaced that since it was obviously a stress crack from molding. So, that was a minor issue.

But, then the power supply died and smoked-up the computer. So, then they ordered a replacement power supply. But, the power supply had damaged the logic board.

So, it needed a new logic board.

Then, the LCD screen failed. So, they got me a new screen.

Sure, that doesn't sound like a lot of problems. But, when you factor in that it took them about 3 or 4 months to repair it all. That adds-up to a lot of down-time.

Basically, they had so many of them failing at the time, that there was about a 2-month wait for the power supply. Finally get that in, and then I had to wait in line for them to find a replacement logic board which was in even higher demand.

Finally get it back, and then the LCD screen died. So, back to waiting again. Finally got a new LCD screen, and then decided it was no-longer worth the hassle.

I just brought it home and put it up for sale before something else could die.


About a year later, I got the rev. B. I figured they were likely to have had their issues resolved.

It arrived with 3 defects. A pretty big chip in the bezel, a mouse with a stuck button / clicking mechanism, and the Ethernet port didn't work.

I called Apple immediately after taking it out of the box. But, they told me that all their computers were down (as in not working). So, she said she couldn't do anything and sent me to my local service center (which they couldn't even look-up).

So, within an hour of opening my new computer, I'm in the service center. He says I need a new logic board after diagnosing the machine. So, I wait for that.

I discussed the chip in the computer's case with him, and he says that Apple won't cover it since it's only cosmetic. I explain to him that it was like that coming out of the box, and show him the slips that show I just received it. He says they won't cover it. So, I left my machine there to await the new logic board.

He says they can only open one case number at a time, so my mouse will have to wait.

I get the machine back. It works fine.

I talk with Apple and him about the chip in the case, and they agree to replace it since it was like that out of the box.

Wait for that. It arrives, and they install it.

Then, they can finally process the claim for the mouse. So, I have to use another one while I'm still waiting for that to be resolved. The new mouse finally arrives.

So, now I'm finally done dealing with the defects that the machine arrived with. That took about a month.

Then, the LCD screen dies. So, wait for that. He tells me they can't do anything about it now because they are backed-up with a recent rush of machines that have come in. So, he advises me to just call back in a couple of weeks and see if they can get to it (only shop in town).

So, get that resolved.

Then, the backlight starts flickering. Again, wait until they have time to get around to it.

Finally, get everything fixed. Decide not to push my luck any further, and sell it before it can die again.

I went back to using my reliable Mac Mini G4 (which I'm still using).

Sorry to have to tell you the truth. But, Macs do have trouble. Not all of them. But, some do. And, after being bit by two right in a row that I couldn't use because I was always waiting for service or parts, it just left a very bad taste.

Combine that with the fact that I have absolutely never had to take any other computer from any other manufacturer to the shop in the 20+ years I've been using computers, and it really doesn't make them look good.

As for them replacing duds, that's something you have to get them to agree to. They wouldn't for me. I mentioned it, but they wanted to just keep pushing through with repairs.

Somehow, I find this all very hard to believe. Sorry.

 

[flyinmac]

Somehow, I find this all very hard to believe. Sorry.

Well, you don't have to believe it. I lived it. Doesn't really matter what you believe or don't believe.

Aside from going through my files and digging out all the invoices and scanning them in, not really much I can do.

I requested a print-out from the service center for each repair job for my own records (even though Apple paid the service costs).

And, quite honestly, I don't care whether you believe me enough to make it worth the trouble of scanning in page after page of documents to prove it.

Whether you believe me or not isn't going to change anything for me. It's not like convincing you is going to undo the hassle I experienced. Simply put, it happened, it's done, it's over.

Denying that others have problems may make you feel better. But, it really doesn't accomplish anything.

Getting upset and calling someone a liar for simply recounting their own personal experience is also just wrong.

It's not like I came in here and said every Mac is garbage.

I just said that claiming that you get better hardware for the higher price you pay is not necessarily true. And, apparently that's all it takes to get the fan-boys riled-up.

I love Apple computers (we'll actually it's OS X I like), but that won't stop me from acknowledging the problems that do occur.

I dislike Windows. But, that won't stop me from acknowledging that I haven't had any problems with the PC's hardware.

Defending a company or machine simply because it offends you that someone had trouble is just stupid.

 

[askretzinger]

Has anybody heard anything about a virtual vista that wouldn't require bootcamp?

 

[Digital Skunk]

So You Lived it HuH?

Yeah... and I lived the first coming of Jesus Christ... yeah... i was there... I saw him.

Prove me wrong!

He wasn't African... he was a white european guy with long blonde hair and blue eyes and 7 feet tall. Fire shot from his eyes and when he talked he sounded like some Irish guy named Mike.

Prove me wrong!

I lived it... I was there.

 

[ryanw]

I've been running iTunes on Vista since June, and the only issues I've had are the inability to burn CDs, and occasionally the computer will restart while I'm downloading podcasts.

Dude, I love how those are flagged as MINIMAL problems using Vista. Microsoft gets cut so much slack. jeash.

 

[milatchi]

Meh, no surprise.

 

[kcmac]

....and famous ending lines

"Just for the record, these are the macs I own."

 

[tallgeek]

minimal to me

Dude, I love how those are flagged as MINIMAL problems using Vista. Microsoft gets cut so much slack. jeash.

People who know me know I much prefer Macs to PCs, and especially love bashing PCs when the opportunity arises, even though I'm typing this on one. However, to me those are minimal problems, I rarely burn CDs, I typically just put whatever I need on my iPod, and I've never been using the computer when it's had to restart, so I just pop in my password and away I go. I put in a Raptor X HD so it loads everything extra quick on the 3 Gb of RAM in it. That said, MS does get cut a lot of slack, and even with their extra leniency, they still can't keep up with the capabilities, stability, and ease of use of any other OS, Mac, Linux, or otherwise.

 

[stainlessliquid]

I can vouch for the first G5 imacs being pieces of junk. We ran them in the multimedia section of the college. Out of around 30 machines, 7 have been killed completely in just a year. Obviously these things are used far more than a regular home computer, but the failure rate of these machines was incredibly high compared to other machines at the school. Generally the problems included turning on the computer, the fan would go into a fit sounding like a hairdryer and thats as far as you would get, you had to unplug it to turn it off. The older macs, even the emac's lasted much longer than those crappy imacs (although a couple emacs ended up with broken screens). They had constant problems with the network, but thats probably because the IT guys were morons, the only problems I judge are the hardware failures which arent caused by not knowing how to work OSX. Theyve since replaced every G5 with an intel imac, I havent seen any broken macs yet.

On the flipside Im taking a visual basic class right now and they are using 900 something mhz retro Gateways that run perfect. They are so old that the plastic is turning brown but every last one of them still function (theres around 30 as well). I've only seen 1 broken Dell but to be fair there were hundreds of Dells at the school and Ive only been in 2 Dell classrooms. Macs in general were the only computers to ever bite the dust, there was always a smorgisboard of different types of macs in the "cheaper" classrooms since they were being replaced left and right.

When it comes down to it both macs and PC's use the same kind of parts and seem to be just as likely as one another to fail (apple doesnt make ANY hardware, its all made by the same companies that make PC hardware too). Ive never had a single problem with mac's OR pc's at home, not once. I have an old 1999 833mhz HP thats still running flawlessly even if it is incredibly slow, I havent upgraded anything in that machine except ram and its been running the same install of XP since like 2002. All of the PC's I got after that I built myself, I have never had a single problem with those even when I used a $30 PC Chips motherboard.