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iTunes 9 Breaks Palm Pre Syncing Once Again

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PreCentral notes that iTunes 9, launched yesterday at Apple's "It's Only Rock and Roll" media event, once again breaks media syncing for the Palm Pre.
The big question on everybody's mind: does it break Palm Pre Sync? Pre users in this thread are downloading now and the verdict is yes, Palm Pre Sync appears to be busted.
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The Palm Pre was initially designed to allow users to sync media directly from their iTunes libraries via iTunes by presenting itself as an iPod. Apple disabled the functionality for Pre users with the release of iTunes 8.2.1 in mid-July, but Palm fired back just a week later with the release of webOS 1.1, which re-enabled iTunes media syncing for the Pre.

Despite apparent violations of USB Implementers Forum regulations in its unauthorized use of Apple's USB Vendor ID Number to achieve media syncing, Palm also brazenly reported Apple to the compliance organization for what Palm believes to be improper actions by Apple in preventing other vendors from accessing iTunes via USB.

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iTunes 9 breaking Pre syncing.. iPhone 3.1 breaking unofficial tethering.

Apple seems to spend as much time these days breaking/disabling features as it does adding them..
 
No other player/phone except I think for the short lived deal with Motorola ever allowed syncing of a non-Apple device from iTunes. Not sure if Palm ever approached Apple about licensing. And even if they did, Apple may want to keep their system closed, in order to "keep it from falling prey to the pitfalls of supporting 3rd party devices in conjunction with their software." However, Palm has certainly taken the illegal steps in order to provide this functionality and their stance and actions are reprehensible, especially for a major company such as Palm.

Make your own software Palm, but don't insist that Apple open iTunes to your devices.
 
KnightWRX said:
You'd think Palm would've realised by now that all this wasted effort could've gone into a proper syncing solution.
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Why would they do that? Then they wouldn't be in the tech news cycle every three days.

Notice no one focuses on Palm Pre sales anymore. Rubinstein knows what he's doing.
 
KnightWRX said:
You'd think Palm would've realised by now that all this wasted effort could've gone into a proper syncing solution.
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+1. Seriously, other companies manage to write software that works with itunes. How hard could it be for Palm to either write their own or license someone else's software.
This is just petty company politics and John Rubinstein & Co wanting to stick it to their old boss. Lame.:rolleyes:
 

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Kinda makes me dislike Apple policy. Why not let other media players use iTunes? What is the harm in getting more people exposed to the Apple way of doing things? \
" hey this iTunes is great,!, think I'll get a MAC !! "
more like ........"hey this sucks ...screw Apple"

I don't have a PRE but I do belive in fair play
 
Mr. Gates said:
Kinda makes me dislike Apple policy. Why not let other media players use iTunes? What is the harm in getting more people exposed to the Apple way of doing things? \
" hey this iTunes is great,!, think I'll get a MAC !! "
more like ........"hey this sucks ...screw Apple"

I don't have a PRE but I do belive in fair play
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Its fair to emulate an iPod to bypass iTunes regulation? Oh yeah.
Its Apple's proprietary system. They can and will decide who can and cannot use it. There are alternatives for media syncing.
 
jaw04005 said:
Why would they do that? Then they wouldn't be in the tech news cycle every three days.

Notice no one focuses on Palm Pre sales anymore. Rubinstein knows what he's doing.
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You pull yourself out of the mess that Palm is in by being innovative (Pre is a good start) and focusing on your long term strategy, not by dicking around and playing games with your competition.
 
Palm will always be playing catch up on this one I am afraid.

I personally don't find anything wrong with having other devices besides the iPod or the iPhone sync with iTunes, but I can understand why Apple doesn't like it.
 
dwman said:
+1. Seriously, other companies manage to write software that works with itunes. How hard could it be for Palm to either write their own or license someone else's software.
This is just petty company politics and John Rubinstein & Co wanting to stick it to their old boss. Lame.:rolleyes:
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Yeah, this is what baffles me. The Blackberry Desktop syncs with iTunes just fine, allowing me to load iTunes stuff on my Curve. Why can't Palm do that?
 
Mr. Gates said:
Kinda makes me dislike Apple policy. Why not let other media players use iTunes? What is the harm in getting more people exposed to the Apple way of doing things? \
" hey this iTunes is great,!, think I'll get a MAC !! "
more like ........"hey this sucks ...screw Apple"

I don't have a PRE but I do belive in fair play
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Apple does allow interaction with iTunes. iTunes writes out a XML file with all the information contained in your library and where to look for the actual files. As a 3rd party software developer, all you need to do is read in that file into your syncing application and then sync the files and data accordingly to your device.

It's very understandable that Apple doesn't want to have to deal with devices presenting themselves as iPods when they aren't, and then running the risk of briking the device because its sync protocol isn't exactly like the iPod's.

I think users of Palm Pres would be pretty pissed at Apple if that happened, instead of being pissed at Palm for using subterfuges to get their device to sync up to iTunes instead of using the proper, documented way.
 
Considering the trouble that Palm is in financially, I really wouldn't think they want to take on Apple it what looks to be leading to a court battle.

This is a last-gasp by Palm to stay relevant.
 
roland.g said:
No other player/phone except I think for the short lived deal with Motorola ever allowed syncing of a non-Apple device from iTunes.
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Actually that is not correct. I used to sync iTunes with my Rio 500 back in the day. I did a quick google to confirm that my memory isn't trashed:

Itunes 4.2 or later has built-in support for Rio One, 500, 600, 800, 900, Nike PSA, S Series players, Fuse, and non-Mass Storage (MSC) Cali and Chiba.
 
irun5k said:
Actually that is not correct. I used to sync iTunes with my Rio 500 back in the day. I did a quick google to confirm that my memory isn't trashed:

Itunes 4.2 or later has built-in support for Rio One, 500, 600, 800, 900, Nike PSA, S Series players, Fuse, and non-Mass Storage (MSC) Cali and Chiba.
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Yes, this goes back a *long* time, here's the list:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2172

Note that support for most of these is in iTunes 2 on OS 9! Yes, you can buy an ancient RIO and sync it under OS 9. :)
 
dwman said:
You pull yourself out of the mess that Palm is in by being innovative (Pre is a good start) and focusing on your long term strategy, not by dicking around and playing games with your competition.
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Nah. You hire disgruntled Apple employees, recruit the Apple executive that wasn't involved with the iPhone and move them all over to a dying company that's been bankrolled by a rock star (and run by Apple's former CFO) to wage a battle with their former employer.

Makes sense to me.
 
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