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I don't want to change my software for my hardware, or vice versa.

Hmm, well, my iPhone syncs perfectly with iTunes. Maybe there's a reason for that. Oh, right, because I chose hardware compatible with iTunes software. And im so sorry that Pre owners were told they could sync with iTunes. Maybe Palm shouldnt have promised that, knowing they were going about it the wrong way, emulating a product that a Pre clearly is not.
 
You'd think Palm would've realised by now that all this wasted effort could've gone into a proper syncing solution.
Honestly, nobody knows what has been said by Apple to Palm (rather, Steve to Rubinstein, or whatever) in phone calls, veiled threats, insults, etc. ...

My guess, though, is that they don't like each other AT ALL ...

Perhaps PALM likes being a big pain in the @$$.
 
How? Market size does not mean much if it was legitimately obtained. The iPods and iTunes are supremely successful products on their own merits. I remember sycing an iPod on a PC before iTunes existed. The software options stank until iTunes came out, but that didn't stop me from buying the hardware. I even went out of the way to buy a fire-wire card for my PC to get it. I even seem to recall that sales of the iPod exploded after it was made available on the PC.

The only legal problem that Apple could have is if it could be argues that they were using one monopoly to create a unrelated monopoly. That just isn;t happening because the demand for both products are high on their own merits.

Because that's how imagination works. I imagine unicorns giving me millions of dollars too.

When Apple doesn't allow at least some form of use with iTunes and other devices, people will start having their iTunes player with their music (because it came with their Mac), the Sony music app (because they bought whatever Sony mp3 player), and the Palm music/contact transfer app (because of their phone). It's not wrong, or by any means all that complicated for some, but Apple has always tried to avoid that. The perfect example being iPhoto and Garageband (and to some extent iMovie, though that has more specific compatibility).

Maybe Apple does see the Palm as a threat, I don't know. I just don't see the big deal in Apple letting them (although maybe under different circumstances).
 
Hmm, well, my iPhone syncs perfectly with iTunes. Maybe there's a reason for that. Oh, right, because I chose hardware compatible with iTunes software. And im so sorry that Pre owners were told they could sync with iTunes. Maybe Palm shouldnt have promised that, knowing they were going about it the wrong way, emulating a product that a Pre clearly is not.

Hugely, immensely irresponsible of Palm to promise such a thing. But what a way to sell people on iTunes + iPhone.
 
Is it me or does iTunes 9 also break the mini iTunes window? Clicking the maximise button, or using the "Zoom" option, just adjust my window slightly, instead of switching to shrunk the iTunes window.
 
iTunes is Apple's software, meant to work with Apple's devices or possibly those and only those approved by Apple. Apple makes no bones about this. It's pretty clear and is perfectly legal. Even by the EU's standards.

You know for how long this has been a problem? Since never.

It's an artificial issue that seems to exist only on tech fansites on the ass-end of the net, perpetuated by people who want to have whatever they want, when they want it, and are prepared to justify it with ridiculous arguments.

The whole Pre-not-syncing-with-iTunes situation is a non-issue. It doesn't matter. Direct all bellyaching toward Palm and the rest of the industry for not being able to offer any better alternatives if the issue really does mean that much to you.

This is all well and good, but we're in the Age of Self-Entitlement. Your response, while logical, isn't good enough. They want their Pre and eat it too. Oh wait, that doesn't sound right. :D
 
Bah....

With the abortion that was "Palm Desktop for OS X" being the best Palm could offer Mac users for their earlier smartphones and devices, I'm not at all surprised they're resorting to these hacks to try to "bum" off the functionality of iTunes syncing this time.

They don't seem to be capable of coding anything decent for the Mac platform to begin with.



No other player/phone except I think for the short lived deal with Motorola ever allowed syncing of a non-Apple device from iTunes. Not sure if Palm ever approached Apple about licensing. And even if they did, Apple may want to keep their system closed, in order to "keep it from falling prey to the pitfalls of supporting 3rd party devices in conjunction with their software." However, Palm has certainly taken the illegal steps in order to provide this functionality and their stance and actions are reprehensible, especially for a major company such as Palm.

Make your own software Palm, but don't insist that Apple open iTunes to your devices.
 
This is all well and good, but we're in the Age of Self-Entitlement. Your response, while logical, isn't good enough. They want their Pre and eat it too. Oh wait, that doesn't sound right. :D

Well in that case, I want an Apple tablet NOW. Who is Apple to deny ME this thing RIGHT NOW?? And a pony. i want one of those too. Presented to me holding a tablet in its mouth. ;)
 
you have to option+click the zoom button.
Lovely, so they changed perfect default behaviour out for a completely useless one instead? Swing and a miss!

iTunes 9 for me spends 90% of its time frozen and unresponsive (but still playing music), it's a usability nightmare. Not very impressed at all.
 
Lovely, so they changed perfect default behaviour out for a completely useless one instead? Swing and a miss!
Too true. My zoom button doesn't even work, it just adjusts the window to stretch over the dock (something no app should do) and then it makes it take up more space than it should (since it should just fit to the content).

iTunes 9 for me spends 90% of its time frozen and unresponsive (but still playing music), it's a usability nightmare. Not very impressed at all.

!!!! It's awful.
 
Its only for attention.

I have a iMac and Pre. The update has not affected my syncing at all. I use Salling Media Sync.
 
I have a iMac and Pre. The update has not affected my syncing at all. I use Salling Media Sync.

But Salling doesn't actually go through the iTunes interface, right? There's no spoofing involved to make iTunes think it's an iPod/iPhone.
 
But Salling doesn't actually go through the iTunes interface, right? There's no spoofing involved to make iTunes think it's an iPod/iPhone.
Salling doesn't pretend to be an iPod; instead it synchronizes DRM-free* songs/playlists/etc. to your phone from your iTunes library using Apple's published iTunes interface (via the XML file where this is all documented).

This is exactly what Palm should be providing for its Pre owners (and what RIM has done for it's Blackberry customers).

http://www.salling.com/MediaSync/Mac/

* And remember it was El Jobso who held the RIAA coalition's feet to the fire over DRM-free downloads. None of this would be even be possible if our iTunes libraries were still "protected" with Fairplay DRM.
 
I have a iMac and Pre. The update has not affected my syncing at all. I use Salling Media Sync.



well you aren't using itunes for syncing so of course an itunes update means nothing for you

but it does beg the point. there are other 3rd party products that will sync just fine. products that could perhaps benefit from Palm giving them some free product by making one of them the 'official' recommended solution for the Pre, the Pixi etc. So had Palm contacted those folks and said "Hey we'd like to promote your product as the software for our new smart phone line if you will agree to ensure that any updates don't break functionality etc" the company probably would have jumped for it.

instead Palm either didn't ask Apple to use itunes or when refused did it anyway. and actually pretends like they are doing this with permission by advertising syncing from within itunes as a feature.

Perhaps Apple should make another 'whining phone call' (a la the Laptop Hunter ads), this time to Palm to politely tell them that they don't have permission to use Apple's trademarked software title in their ad materials, etc. That and the USB-IF refusing to issue any more ID numbers to Palm over the Vendor Code spoofing might get them to admit defeat and apologize.

though I see now that they are including fine print that says that itunes syncing is not guaranteed to continue working. probably to avoid lawsuits by their customers.

And remember it was El Jobso who held the RIAA coalition's feet to the fire over DRM-free downloads. None of this would be even be possible if our iTunes libraries were still "protected" with Fairplay DRM.[

very true. Although some of the songs were already DRM-Free (at a slightly higher price) before last spring. spring 2007 as I recall. it was only perhaps 1 or 2 studios that went in.

but then they all went 'free' with Amazon AND wanted to have flex pricing on itunes which was still the larger retailer. so Apple was in a position to force them to all go DRM free (since DRM could be broken by tricks like burning a CD and re-importing it the whole thing was really pointless).
 
very true. Although some of the songs were already DRM-Free (at a slightly higher price) before last spring. spring 2007 as I recall. it was only perhaps 1 or 2 studios that went in.

but then they all went 'free' with Amazon AND wanted to have flex pricing on itunes which was still the larger retailer. so Apple was in a position to force them to all go DRM free (since DRM could be broken by tricks like burning a CD and re-importing it the whole thing was really pointless).

Well, Apple had to concede to the flexible pricing to get the DRM-free music from UMG, WMG, and Sony; they were witholding DRM-free rights from Apple to try to get their marketshare down, which didn't work.
 
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