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Freg3000

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Sounds good. I hope a lot of Indie labels are eager to gain exposure and get their stuff on the iTMS.
 
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AppleMatt

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Mar 17, 2003
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Excellent. Although there were minor set-backs with Linkin Park, Metallica etc withdrawing, Avril lavigne being on there should attract a 'certain' audience, and indie music will attract many who have so far canned it for lack of indie.

I wonder if certain bands will eventually come back?

Now all we need is international support!

Matt
 
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Snowy_River

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Jul 17, 2002
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Well, I must say that this is what I had hoped would happen from the beginning. I was rather disappointed with Apple for having made it a stipulation that an artist had to be represented by a label that had signed a contract with Apple. Now, Oassis is doing what I think Apple should have done to begin with. Of course, this could lead to the downfall of labels, in general, and that may be why Apple couldn't do it themselves.

Anyway, I think this is great news!
 
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jimjiminyjim

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Feb 24, 2003
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This is EXTREMELY exciting. I'm tempted to get my fiddle out right now, and call in the family for a shin-dig. We'll plug ourselves into this old mac, and burn us a DVD. Yeee-haaah!

What you wouldn't buy my music??

*note: while this may seem like a sarcastic post, the sarcasm is in reference only to my musical ability. I am extremely supportive of the these independent label signings - anything to break the monopoly (shouldn't that be monotony?? i get confused about phrases sometimes...)
 
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Waluigi

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Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by Snowy_River
Of course, this could lead to the downfall of labels, in general, and that may be why Apple couldn't do it themselves.

Hey, that sounds great! Could you just clarify how you came to that statement (I don't understand, thats all, nothing personal)?

--Waluigi
 
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dstorey

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Dec 14, 2002
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while this is good news in a lot of respects, it could also provide to be bad for the ITMS. I gether oasis will submit anyones work to the itms. This could ring alarm bells to the record labels. As the apple service has equal footing for all, it would mean well established artists would be better off in the future signing for small labels like this and negotiationg much larger deals...of course this is great, but not what lables want...could this mean that labels, not being dumb, would see this as a huge threat and pull their support, and thus their support form things like the ITMS, cause they dont stand to beinfit if they lose all their artists this way, as the middleman is effectivly cut out (not exactly as apple stup ot, but near enough with the likes of indies just acting as a interface for a small fee to get artists work on there).

just a few rambling thoughts really....
 
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Snowy_River

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Jul 17, 2002
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Originally posted by Waluigi
Hey, that sounds great! Could you just clarify how you came to that statement (I don't understand, thats all, nothing personal)?

--Waluigi

If a band can simply upload their music to a universal music server (i.e. iTMS), who needs a label? Yes, there are questions of promotion, and getting music to radio stations, and that sort of thing, but Oasis is even taking care of some of that (again, doing what I feel Apple should have done from the beginning). And, while this circumvents the actual physical CD, I have no doubt that CDs will eventually become a thing of the past, anyway (it may take a while, but iTMS and iPod are already a big step toward making that happen).

So, if bands can handle their music in this way, and they stop going to the labels, then the labels will die (and loose their choke hold on the music we listen to).
 
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Snowy_River

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Jul 17, 2002
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Originally posted by medea
does anyone know how much this will cost the musician?

If you download the PDF file from their website, and dig into it a bit, you find that they charge a $165 for the first CD for "The Works" (includes a variety of things such as iTMS placement, digital fingerprinting, special placement of favorite track, etc.) and $135 for each additional CD. Also, the artist then gets 70% of profits from the songs on iTMS. There are also cheaper options, that don't include as much as "The Works".
 
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Makosuke

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Aug 15, 2001
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s'about time--I'm not a big music shopper, but indies making it to the iTMS en masse is way big, for Apple, for the indies, for consumers (small bands you can buy easilly--what's cooler than that?), and for music in general.

Let's hope this takes off like wildfire, and that more fruits of Apple's indie plans start to show up soon. (I'm assuming this is just one group offering to do what Apple had that meeting about recently, and many more groups and individual bands will follow, right?)
 
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rundevilrun

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Nov 14, 2002
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This is what I think the future of music should be, a band records some songs, pays a reasonable fee to a record company to distribute online. Then if they're good they make money and contract the record company to produce cds, etc. and if they're bad they don't sell and just drop out of sight.
In this scenario the record companies work for the artists and the"popular" music is chosen by the people who buy it instead of what mtv is spewing out.
 
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sushi

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Jul 19, 2002
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Just tried out iTMS for the first time today.

Love it...very nice implementation.

And now with indies. Less label control is a great thing!

What I really like, is no more having to buy a CD for one or two songs! :D

You know, now that I think about it...I am going to hate the iTMS since I will be purchasing more music than I should. :eek:

Anyhow, way to go Apple! Now let's get iTunes for the PC out there!

Sushi
 
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Cecret

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Mar 1, 2003
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Can anyone tell me what this is about??? Are they going to let indies upload their songs so they can be downloaded for free or what? Somebody let us know because this is really hard to figure out.
 
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solvs

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Jun 25, 2002
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Originally posted by Cecret
Can anyone tell me what this is about??? Are they going to let indies upload their songs so they can be downloaded for free or what? Somebody let us know because this is really hard to figure out.

Probably same price as any other music at the iTunes Store.
 
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coumerelli

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Apr 7, 2003
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state of confusion.
Originally posted by Snowy_River
If you download the PDF file from their website, and dig into it a bit, you find that they charge a $165 for the first CD for "The Works" (includes a variety of things such as iTMS placement, digital fingerprinting, special placement of favorite track, etc.) and $135 for each additional CD. Also, the artist then gets 70% of profits from the songs on iTMS. There are also cheaper options, that don't include as much as "The Works". (bold added by coumerelli)

I want to help everyone read this slowly so we don't get ahead of ourselves... the quote from the pdf is as follows...

Rain Dog shall pay to Customer seventy percent (70%) of any and all Net Revenues from digital delivery service, less a quarterly statement fee, as described...blah, blah, blah.

I don't think that they are trying to be slick, but if you read it too quickly, it would sound like you get $0.70 out of $0.99 each time a song is downloaded (less fees etc.) But I'll bet it's only 70% of what Apple gives them (whatever that is...I forget).

Either way, what a rockin' deal. I'm in!
 
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Mosco

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May 26, 2002
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If you guys remember, apple a meeting with a bunch of indie music people about ITMS. At the meeting, they apple said:

" Independent artists themselves, not with a label, can't use this[this refers to the ITMS aac encoder]. You have to go through an iTunes partner."

Is it safe to say that this company is an itunes partner?
 
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crees!

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Jun 14, 2003
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Originally posted by Cecret
Can anyone tell me what this is about??? Are they going to let indies upload their songs so they can be downloaded for free or what? Somebody let us know because this is really hard to figure out.

Rain Dog is an indie record label under Oasis (a disc manufacturing company). Bands can pay per album to have their music uploaded to iTMS via Rain Dog. Indies will have the same deal as the major label acts.

Yes, you will have to pay for indie bands music.
 
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nagromme

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May 2, 2002
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Here's how it seems to work:

You can download their PDF and probably get a better understanding than I have, but I believe the simple version is this:

1. You send Rain Dog your album on CD and pay them $90. ($65, plus I believe $25 to get a UPC code. They have other services too, if you want to pay up to $80 more--like extra promotion on Oasis's "Indie Music Channel" site of whichever track you think is your best.)

2. They encode the tracks for you as copyright-protected AAC, with your name, album name, etc. embedded in the tags.

3. They upload the songs to the iTunes Music Store, complete with cover art and free 30-second previews of all tracks. Your music is then available and will come up in searches just the same as U2 or any big-name artist. (Audience is limited to Mac owners now, but the store still sells half a million songs per week, and is coming to a wider audience this year: first Windows and Canadian users, and then worldwide when the legalities can be worked out.) Apple has told independent labels like Rain Dog that the "big labels" will NOT get special treatment or extra say in who gets promoted in iTunes. If your music catches on, it has the chance to be noticed. People can buy your whole album for $9.99 (possibly more for longer albums?), or just the songs they want for .99 each. They can burn your CD, put your music on their iPod... the usual.

4. Apple gives Rain Dog about 65% of the iTunes price every time someone downloads your music. That's the same cut the big-name labels get. (The other 35% goes to Apple and the credit card companies, pays for the servers, etc.) Promote your music however you want--tell everyone to look for it at the iMS. Rain Dog does their own promotion too, of course--they want their artists to sell!

5. Rain Dog gives you about $4.55 for every album downloaded (or more: you get 70% of their cut). About 46 cents per individual song purchased.

6. Once a quarter, they send you your profits, minus a $9 quarterly fee. If you don't make any money in a quarter, the $9 charge is delayed to the next quarter. If you never sell anything, it sounds like you never have to pay the $9--unless you want to stay with Rain Dog anyway. Still, that's just $36 per year.

7. After one year, you must pay an annual renewal fee of $65 if you want your album to stay online.

8. They'll sell your physical CDs too, IF Rain Dog's parent label, Oasis CD, enters into an agreement with you. Your online sales renewal fee would then be waived.

Feel free to correct me on the details--I skimmed. It sounds pretty well thought-out though, with minimal financial outlay by you as the artist, and a generous share of any profits for you. They have ALL the paperwork packaged in one PDF, right down to your IRS W-9 form. There seems to be some tie-in to Audible, too? Rain dog will also submit your info to CDDB--but you can do that for free yourself, I thought--right from iTunes, even.

It will be interesting to see how this develops. The big labels will probably not be pleased at all! But they still have big promotion/advertising power on their side.

This also sounds like a way for iTunes' "also bought" cross-promotion database to shine. You've probably noticed, when you browse the online store, in the top-right is a list of OTHER music that people like who are interested in the same music you are. Your music can end up in lists like that for people to find and explore even if they weren't looking for you at all!
 
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