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Originally posted by revenuee
Maybe microsoft will take a hint from apple

Apple gives Microsoft a full featured music player

Microsoft gives Apple a full featured messanger - i think anyone using MSN messanger will agree that it is a joke, and is vastly inferior to its windows counterpart.

Yes i know i can use iChat, but that lets me talk to about 3 other people that i know use macs in my area

You're using iChat to talk to people in your area? And no one you know uses AIM?
 
Gift certificates

I read in another forum that Europeans had American friends send them a gift certificate (which they paid them back for) and they were able to download tunes with no problem.
On the other hand, I've read that folks in other countries have been "blocked" from using ITMS altogether.

Anyone have any info or experience with this?
 
Re: Gift certificates

Originally posted by SeaFox
So none of your Wintel friends are on AOL/AIM?

Originally posted by revenuee
Nope everybody is on MSN

I'm in the exact same situation. I have an aunt at home who has AOL and another aunt and uncle with AOL. That's it. ALL of my friends have MSN. The reason is simple: it comes with Windows XP. Before I got XP, I had absolutely no interest in chatting. Then, automatically, I'm getting messages from friends. So I replied. After some time, I got more interested in it.

What I don't understand is that AOL owns the technology but they're not stopping others from using it. (I recall reading a news article on that before.) Eventually, all (or almost all) Windows users will upgrade to XP. That's a lot of people using MSN Messenger.

Now, to get back on topic:

Originally posted by Inkmonkey
I read in another forum that Europeans had American friends send them a gift certificate (which they paid them back for) and they were able to download tunes with no problem.
On the other hand, I've read that folks in other countries have been "blocked" from using ITMS altogether.

Anyone have any info or experience with this?

When I click on the iTunes Music Store link, it gives me the following message:

"The iTunes Music Store is not available in your country yet. You will be able to browse music and listen to previews, but you won't be able to purchase music unless your billing address is in the United States."

Squire
 
News Release: Canadian Music Industry Comes To Online Music Agreement

Taken from the CRIA:

Music publishers and record companies reach agreement to launch new online music services




TORONTO, October 9, 2003 - Canadian music publishers have entered into a landmark agreement with record labels and online distributors of sound recordings.
In a breakthrough agreement signed yesterday by David A. Basskin, President of the Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency Ltd. (CMRRA) and Brian Robertson, President of the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA), CMRRA has agreed to issue licenses to Internet music distributors. The agreement establishes the framework for standard terms and conditions under which CMRRA will do business with these important new services, and opens the door to their launch in the Canadian marketplace.

CMRRA will be entering into licensing agreements under this framework with Napster, MusicNet and Puretracks., Puretracks, a Canadian-owned service, will launch on 14 October 2003. MusicNet and Napster are scheduled to debut shortly thereafter with others expected to follow. Each of the services will offer upwards of 250,000 CD-quality songs on both a streaming and a la carte basis with prices starting at 99 cents.

"This agreement", said CMRRA's David Basskin, "sets up a solid, practical system to enable these new on-line services to obtain the rights they need to do business in Canada. Music publishers and songwriters are vitally important members of the music industry, and this agreement ensures that their rights will be respected - and that they'll be paid for the use of their songs."

"We've all suffered the plague of unauthorized file 'sharing'," Basskin added. "The best response is a legal, attractive alternative that will give the customers all of what they want - the world's best music - and none of what they don't want - spyware, porn and viruses." CRIA's Brian Robertson noted that, "This is truly a defining moment for the Canadian music industry. After four years of devastating retail losses to on-line piracy, we finally have the opportunity to positively embrace the technology with a dynamic new legal on-line retail experience. It will be rewarding for all concerned, including consumers, artists, songwriters, music publishers, record companies and the thousands of Canadians whose livelihood depends on a healthy music industry".

The Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency Ltd. (CMRRA) is Canada's largest music licensing agency. Founded in 1975, CMRRA represents more than 10,000 music publishers, from the world's largest firms to individual copyright owners. On their behalf, CMRRA licenses the reproduction of their songs on CDs and cassettes, in films, television programs and commercials, for distribution via the Internet and in a host of other settings. CMRRA is a subsidiary of the Canadian Music Publishers Association.

The Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) is a non-profit trade organization that was founded in 1964 to represent the interests of Canadian companies that create, manufacture and market sound recordings. CRIA's membership is comprised of the major record companies, leading independent labels and all manufacturers of compact discs and tapes. In all, they represent 95 per cent of the sound recordings that are manufactured and sold in Canada


No mention of iTunes though!
 
Re: Re: Gift certificates

That is the standard message for iTMS if you are outside the US.

People who have US registered credit cards can still buy music even though they are outside of the US.

Originally posted by Squire


When I click on the iTunes Music Store link, it gives me the following message:

"The iTunes Music Store is not available in your country yet. You will be able to browse music and listen to previews, but you won't be able to purchase music unless your billing address is in the United States."

Squire [/B]
 
Re: iTunes Canada petition

Originally posted by elliscarson
I started a petition for iTunes in Canada. Please sign up!

http://www.petitiononline.com/itunesca/petition.html

I just signed it, but I think there was another petition going around a few months ago. Oh, well. the more the merrier. Thanks for starting it. Also you should drop the -s on "computers". ;)

Squire

<Edit: Elliscarson...I just got the confirmation email for the petition and noticed your email address. Small world.>
 
Two Languages

Everything in Canada has to be provided in both English and French. That's the law, and that's a major hurdle for Apple to face.

I know it's coming to Canada, but not today.
 
Re: Blame Canada?

Originally posted by mustang_dvs
Ah! ha! So it was Canadian subterfuge that has slowed the development of iTMS for Windoze, eh?

Well, I say it's aboot time we put an end to the hold-up and release both.

/They're not even a real country anyway...

i wouldn't really critisize how the people in newfoundland speak, nobody cares about them. and after watching "Fargo" they (americans) sound even more retarded then the newfies..

yeah..yeah, aethier yea
(joike for anyone who has seen fargo)_
 
Re: Two Languages

Originally posted by coolfactor
Everything in Canada has to be provided in both English and French. That's the law, and that's a major hurdle for Apple to face.

I know it's coming to Canada, but not today.

Ya, damn those french - always causing a problem for us... haha - Just Kidding guys, i love Quebec - aspecially Montreal.:D

On a serious note, i guess that would be a hurdle to overcome, two versions would need to be released.
 
Re: Two Languages

Originally posted by coolfactor
Everything in Canada has to be provided in both English and French. That's the law, and that's a major hurdle for Apple to face.

I know it's coming to Canada, but not today.

Puretracks.com is a Canadian on-line service for music and its not in french... just the "Terms & Conditions_| Privacy Policy_|_Contact_|_About Us_| Help" is writen in french in the bottom of the page...
 
Re: Re: Two Languages

Originally posted by rafaelperini
Puretracks.com is a Canadian on-line service for music and its not in french... just the "Terms & Conditions_| Privacy Policy_|_Contact_|_About Us_| Help" is writen in french in the bottom of the page...

Shouldn't that be "Aboot Us"?

Sorry!
 
exchange rate

The echange rate gap is quickly closing up - it's much less relevant than even 6 months ago.

Originally posted by skymac
That would be nice, i do hope that it comes out soon but im not getting my hopes up. if there was an Itunes canada store, do you guys think apple would still charge 99 cet CAD even with the exchage rate difference?
 
Re: Re: Two Languages

Don't forget - that Apple.ca is already operating bilingually. It's not like they've never done this before. IMHO, their bilingual infrastructure is basically in place, they just need to cross the "t"s and add the "accent-accute"s.


Originally posted by revenuee
Ya, damn those french - always causing a problem for us... haha - Just Kidding guys, i love Quebec - aspecially Montreal.:D

On a serious note, i guess that would be a hurdle to overcome, two versions would need to be released.
 
Re: Re: Things Apple should study before opening the Canada ITMS

Originally posted by revenuee
b-****?

have you travelled around canada?

i've never seen a more accurate description of our country

Well, I don't have 10 receipes for moose meat ;)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Things Apple should study before opening the Canada ITMS

Originally posted by Tim Flynn
You really should get the road-kill one :D

You mean the Teriyaki pebbles-n'-tar Moose grill?


Here in Quebec, roads are soooo bad and full of potholes (which we call "Nids de poules" in french). Those potholes make excellent makeshift "roadkill" traps. You simply have to spread some branches, twigs and weed over one of these, and then put a piece of apple or any decent bait in the center. You then come back the next day and voilà! Free lunch. It can be anything from a small racoon to a 600 pounds moose. (yeah! the roads are that bad!) the problem is sometimes you end up with a non-edible civic or tercel.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Things Apple should study before opening the Canada ITMS

Originally posted by srobert
You mean the Teriyaki pebbles-n'-tar Moose grill?

Out west here we tend to go for the Pine & asphault with road salt and smoke (rubber).
And tenderized by Ford :D
 
Re: Re: Re: Things Apple should study before opening the Canada ITMS

Originally posted by srobert
Well, I don't have 10 receipes for moose meat ;)

Don't knock moose meat... i tried it for the first time when i lived out west ... way better then anything i've ever eatten ... nothing like there here in the GTA
 
LOL You guys are missing the boat here.

Canada has 30 million people
USA has 330 million people

The ratio of Mac to PC users is very low in Canada, so a windows version would have to come out first, which it has.

Next, Canada is very stringent on it's culture. For example, if you listen to radio, more than half the content has to be Canadian related.

Furthermore, Puretracks has been in the works for a long time, and being Canadian, they obviously get first priority.

Another issue is exchange rate. For Apple to maintain 2 separate prices for music would be very difficult. Now they could just bill you in USD$ and then let the CC do the converting, they won't as it hampers the user experience.

Anyhow, iTunes Canada is coming soon, after the testing period of Windows is completed. Look for a late November, early Decemeber launch.
 
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