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One time or continuous....

I'm curious of the scan of your library is a one-time action or will it continue for the year.

For example, if I impulse-buy a CD at Target and load it into iTunes, will I get a fresh scan and the cloud-sharing too or do I have to wait for my annual membership renewal?
 
Most of my iTunes library are game soundtracks or obscure stuff that isn't on iTunes. I guess I won't be using this service, but it sounds quite spiffy.

Woah, you're such a hipster dude. You're so cool.
 
How do you limit

If my iCloud music library is twice a large as my iPhone's storage, how does the iPhone decide which music to download from the cloud? It can't possibly download all of it. Does it magically decide with no user input?

Old method: adjust sync settings in itunes on your pc/mac
New method: ??

I hope there is a way to adjust sync settings directly on the iPhone. If I have to connect and sync via mac to adjust these settings then what's the point of iCloud.
 
If you attempt to sync an iTunes purchased song that has DRM shouldn't it download the iTunes Plus content to your iOS device since iTunes does not currently host DRM'd files? Either that, or it just won't sync DRM'd files which could be an early indication that iTunes Match won't work with DRM'd files. Now wouldn't that be a slap in the face to everyone who legally purchased DRM'd songs and music videos from the iTunes Store?

I'm going to test this out as soon as I can.
 
If you attempt to sync an iTunes purchased song that has DRM shouldn't it download the iTunes Plus content to your iOS device since iTunes does not currently host DRM'd files?

According to Jason Snell of MacWorld - you would still get the DRM files since the record companies consider them a separate purchase. Apple may not sell DRM files, but they still offer them under limited circumstances.
 
Apple's website says:

Here’s how it works: iTunes determines which songs in your collection are available in the iTunes Store. Any music with a match is automatically added to your iCloud library for you to listen to anytime, on any device.

which I interpret to be "streamed" and not downloaded (purchased music is mentioned as being downloaded).

=I believe iTunes match must be streaming non-iTunes-purchased content. Else media "amnesty" for only $24.99 is almost like proof that crime does pay. Pay it once, legitimize your whole library, cancel, and all that pirated content is now DRM free legit forever. I just can NOT believe that that is how it is. We'll all learn soon enough when official word starts coming out about all the questions not answered today.
 
Cap.

I honestly call this DOA because we have to pay a $25 a year label tax. Compared to Google Music same 20k worth of songs is 100% free. Apple we have to pay $25 a year to have access to the same songs we already paid for.

Consider the $25 a tiny convenience fee bundled with a music quality upgrade. To upload 20k worth of songs to Google Music would literally take days on the average internet connection, and whenever you buy new music, you have to wait for the new album to upload. Plus when you upload to Google Music or Amazon, you upload your own music that may be missing album covers and such. iTunes Match works almost instantly and will come complete with the song information. Or you don't have to pay the $25 fee and upload your songs manually to iCloud as well, but you don't get as much storage space as Google--can't complain, Apple must have forked over a ton of money to the music industry to get this. I, for one, will sign up for iTunes Match if it is indeed as advertised--$25 for a complete better quality match of my music library online in minutes.
 
which I interpret to be "streamed" and not downloaded (purchased music is mentioned as being downloaded).

What I've read disagrees. For example from Macworld:

Apple’s $25-a-year iTunes Match uses an active locker. Much like with iTunes’ Genius feature, a database of the music you have in your iTunes library (purchased as well as other music you’ve ripped or acquired) is uploaded to Apple. Once Apple has that record, you can treat that music just as you can purchased music. If you want to re-download it, you can, in 256kbps AAC format. This is a very big deal if you ripped a lot of your music in the old days as 128kbps MP3 files and then later disposed of your CDs.

http://www.macworld.com/article/160339/2011/06/itunesncloud.html
 
It seems pretty simple to me.



9. iTunes home sharing already gives users the option to copy files from a shared library to another computer. This is currently not available for iOS devices. It seems likely that a "download from the cloud" option will be available for those devices in the future. It is only logical to assume that Apple will employ the same system for the user's iCloud library.

This is where you are probably wrong. They are not just going to expand the home network sharing. This is going to be a new set up specifically for iOS devices and the intent will be to protect the content from being extracted. It is not designed to replace your content library at home, it is simply a way to essentially mirror it. I see very little chance the system will intentionally allow you to upgrade your home library with new files.

You will be able to access these mirrored files to load on any iOS device as long as you have the iTunes Match Subscription. Once that subscription runs out, access to those files disappears, entirely. At that point you would have to again revert to relying on your home library that you had BEFORE you used iTunes Match. They are going for this to ultimately replace itunes in the long run not just be a mirror of it. They will start with it mirroring it, but it is highly unlikely the record labels agreed to let people launder their music and be free and clear with new files on their home computer. There is little chance that is how it is going to work.

For $25 a year you will have the rights to download any iTunes Match music stored in iCloud. That is it. You won't be able to put it on your pc, then move it over to another pc and then load it up on your android phone.
 
If I was a used CD store owner I would start offering "ripping" services - bring your laptop to my store and rip as many CDs as you want for $10 a session. You don't get to take the CD with you.
 
If I was a used CD store owner I would start offering "ripping" services - bring your laptop to my store and rip as many CDs as you want for $10 a session. You don't get to take the CD with you.

Ha, great idea!

Question, is iTunes match available today? Or with the iOS release in the fall??
 
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Hello. I have a question about iTunes match. How does Apple know that the music is ripped from a legal CD not from illegal source? Or they just accept those piracy mp3?
 
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Hello. I have a question about iTunes match. How does Apple know that the music is ripped from a legal CD not from illegal source? Or they just accept those piracy mp3?

They can't know that. I think this service is too good to be true (that's why I assumed it's actually a streaming service), because it basically upgrades all your skippy low-quality old mp3's to official high-quality iTunes Plus tracks. I find it really hard to believe that record labels would allow it. For example, if you have U2 discography ripped from scratchy CD's, and you planned purchasing those tracks again from iTunes Store, you don't have to purchase them anymore - just buy iTunes Match and use it to get the high quality U2 discography in iTunes Plus format.
 
If I was a used CD store owner I would start offering "ripping" services - bring your laptop to my store and rip as many CDs as you want for $10 a session. You don't get to take the CD with you.

I'm not so sure advertising felonies is a good business plan.
 
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I am not so sure this won't turn out to be "streaming" after all. There's been a lot of interpretation today of what little has been officially said about this very new service, and I for one don't believe there would be all this effort to just simply give us wireless sync. iTunes in the Cloud may be available - at least in part - today, but no one's seen Match yet. Only time will tell.
 
You upload 20,000 songs that you have illegally downloaded. Even if you paid for this service for the next 50 years, you would still only have paid 6 cents per song.

People wouldn't have to buy music at all, then can just download a song illegally and then have it sync on iTunes Match for an allowed copy.

Artists would get no money what so ever.

If anyone actually thinks Apple got the record companies to agree to this, then you're delusional.

Most likely the terms for the service will be clarified.

6 cents is better than 0.
 
fpnc said:
If you attempt to sync an iTunes purchased song that has DRM shouldn't it download the iTunes Plus content to your iOS device since iTunes does not currently host DRM'd files?
According to Jason Snell of MacWorld - you would still get the DRM files since the record companies consider them a separate purchase. Apple may not sell DRM files, but they still offer them under limited circumstances.
Thankfully, it looks like MacWorld is wrong <well, not exactly, see my update below>. I was just able to download the iTunes Plus <not quite, see below> version of a protected (DRM'd) music video to my iPod touch that Apple told me two years ago wasn't even eligible for the payed upgrade to iTune Plus (I think because the title had been slightly changed from <song title> to <song title featuring ...>. I also downloaded another protected song but I haven't checked yet to see if it is the iTunes Plus version.

Now the only question is what happens when I sync my iPod back to my Mac? Will the iTunes Plus songs replace the ones on my Mac that have DRM? Will the new iTunes Plus versions be replaced with what I have on the Mac, or will nothing happen (i.e. the iTune Plus version stays on my iPod and the protected version stays on my Mac). It should be pretty easy to tell since the original, protected video was only QVGA (320x240) while the version that is now on my iPod is 640x480.

<update>Well, nothing happened when I synced the iPod. However, I then deleted the files from my Mac and re-synced and both files that were downloaded to my iPod touch were copied over to my Mac. What I found then was interesting. The song and music video were still protected but the video had been updated to the 640x480 version so at least that was something. Thus, if anyone has any of the very early QVGA music videos from previous iTunes purchases then they should try to find a way to download the latest versions. I think I have a few other QVGA videos, I'm going to try to update those too.

In any case, it appears (after all) that Jason Snell was correct. You can't update your protected music using the new iCloud download service from Apple. Thus, people who may have pirated the music will eventually get to update everything for a flat fee of $25, but those who actually purchased protected music in the 128Kbps format from iTunes may still have to pay the iTunes Plus upgrade fee for each song (currently $0.30 per song or $0.60 per music video and in my particular case I'd have to spend nearly $170 to update everything that I currently have in the original, protected iTunes format).

We'll have to wait to see how it will work with iTunes Match but if the protected iTunes songs aren't automatically updated to the 256Kbps iTunes Plus format it will seem like a slap in the face to everyone who purchased protected content from iTunes.
 
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I like the music portion of iCloud. That means I can delete all the music from my iPhone and download what I want to listen to when I want to, and delete it when I'm done. As right now over half of my storage is taken up by music. I could cut it down to only 1-3 gigs for space.

I really like that you can delete songs and playlists off of your iPhone in iOS5
 
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I like the music portion of iCloud. That means I can delete all the music from my iPhone and download what I want to listen to when I want to, as right now over half of my storage is taken up by music. I could cut it down to only 1-3 gigs for space.

Yes, exactly what I am thinking. I'll do that now actually.
 
I was actually thinking, this could be an insanely simple way to clean my music library in terms of correct tags, names and artwork .. I hope they add that as a feature, since the technology is basically there anyways.
I know there is tagalicious and similar programs out there that do it, but the results where not that great when I tested some of those in the past, which is why I never fully got behind any of those programs.

T.

PS: Any word/rumor of when and how that service is coming to the rest of the world?
 
I honestly can't believe this. All the fuss about the data center, the negotiations with the labels, and all they come up with is a backup service? I'm very dissapointed. I expected this for free but with an option to pay something like $99/yr or something for the ability to get extra storage and STREAM

I expected a revolutionary service that would almost eliminate the need for local storage and allows us to have ALL our content available on all of our devices

Please explain to me how iCloud does NOT do that? Did you even see what its about or how it works?

For $25 a year you can download all your music from a server to your devices. Simple.
 
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