Dark Void
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Fair enough, figured that - although I would have about crapped if I was the first to discover a loophole in this bug ridden release. 😀
Thanks for the information.
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iTunes Match is not dead! Do not ditch it yet, read this...
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Fair enough, figured that - although I would have about crapped if I was the first to discover a loophole in this bug ridden release. 😀
Thanks for the information.
Sym0
macrumors 6502
Except when the whole point buying certain media from cloud services promotes (sells you the idea) you can gain access to it anywhere any time, and never lose it only to have to taken off you or never given to someone else. Rendering it unavailable.
It would be like having all you CDs taken from you and returned to the record label when you die, would you stand for that? Thought so.
This is all quite confusing for me which is very un-Apple-like. I have iTunes Match but I turned it off recently as it didn't seem to do anything for me. All I want is to upgrade my old 128k iTunes song purchases with the 256k copy. That's only 33 songs of my library of over 4700 songs. Anything else is either 256k iTunes songs or from CDs. There does seem to be some cool stuff about Apple Music but I don't want to mess up my music library on my Mac. I get the feeling that both iTunes Match and Apple Music actually conflict with each other instead of compliment each other as Apple states.
That's actually really dumb! Why would Apple do that. I know Apple is trying to push people to download or rent everything from their store but many people want physical copies of their music or movies. I'm one of them especially when it comes to movies as I still buy DVD or Blu-ray. But I also have a few hundred CDs as well and still occasionally buy them.
In theory, they complement each other, in practice, yes, they seem to conflict (as least as of now). They will need to release an update to fix the bigs soon.
I think because if you could keep the files forever by burning them, lots of people would pay for just one month of Apple Music, download as much as possible and then ditch it.
Okay. I may have missed understood. Do you mean that you can't burn CDs of song "downloaded" from Apple Music or CD's I bought and want to upload to iTunes? If the former than yes I agree cause people could download tons of song, burn them to CD and re-upload them therefore removing the DRM. Something that probably many people did when Apple had DRM years ago before "iTunes Plus". If the latter than yeah that's dumb.
Well hopefully they do. But I guess I'm not understanding something about Match. I've turned Match back on but none of the 33 iTunes purchased songs I want to upgrade (from 128k to 256k) have a cloud next to them allowing me to download the higher bit rate song. In fact most songs don't have a cloud next to them at all.
Except that the iTunes Music Store never had that idea that you could always download any previous purchase at any time. While this option has been added recently (for purchases after a certain point in the past), that was not the core value proposition of the download store. If you want to be able to download a song from anywhere as often as you want, Apple has two offers for you: iTunes Match and Apple Music.
And that applies to other digital downloads (eg, software, paid news services) as well. While you normally can re-download any software there are exceptions to this (I have bought different applications where the option to be able to re-download them was a paid-for extra). And while the ability to re-download older versions of applications (if the current version is not compatible with an older OS version) often exists, it also might not be there. Plus, the number of different versions is also generally limited.
To give another example, paid radio and TV also doesn't mean that you are able to re-receive the content distributed over them. There is no legal or moral right that 'downloaded data' have to be re-downloadable at no cost. The iTunes store has not advertised this a one of its major features. Just because you feel entitled to something, does not mean there is any moral obligation of others to provide that.
I don't quite understand the infatuation with importing music into your local library, upload them to Apple (via iTunes Match or now Apple Music) and then delete them locally. Whatever the arrangement, storing data in the cloud must always be significantly more expensive than storing it locally, why would anybody opt for that?
I would never delete my songs locally. I want actually copies of my music on my Mac. I don't care about streaming through the "cloud". The only reason I signed up for Match is in hopes of upgrading old 128k iTunes purchases to 256k version which it seems like I can't do.
Those 128K purchases that still have DRM? If yes, maybe purchasing the upgrade to iTunes Plus (which I don't think is still available) might have been the only way to officially upgrade them. I wonder what happens if you re-encode them, maybe even with another application that just captures the audio from iTunes. While this lower quality, if it strips DRM and removes metadata [that identify them as iTunes Store purchases], then iTunes Match might be willing to upgrade their quality.
Well what I did before with a few of them was just try to find another of the same song on iTunes. Perhaps from a different album. Obviously it cost more money to do it like that but it seems like the only way.
Jax44
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I think the reason you can't load Apple Music downloads on iPods is then Apple can't delete them if you unsubscribe.
On internet connected devices ( iPhone, iPad iPod Touch they can get to the files.
Paco II
macrumors 68020
Perhaps another response is that Apple Music can only work on devices that support Apple Music. An Apple Music offline song is is not a normal song file. I wonder if Apple made a mistake in putting everything together. No one thinks a Spotify's offline song can be moved anywhere.
That really is some BS and quite incredible that not only can Apple get by with it but that we all just give in to it as the new status quo. Truthfully, most music created in the last 10+ years won't be remembered in another 10 years anyway so I suppose it all works out, lol
Paco II
macrumors 68020
The Music industry saw what happened with DVDs and CDs and decided with streaming that they wouldn't let that happen again.
fischersd
macrumors 603
Regarding CD's - of course you won't be able to burn the AM content to audio CD's - those are DRM free - allowing you to play them in any player.
For those (like me) that are iTunes Match subscribers who opt in for the AM trial, you need to know that you can't opt out - you're "stuck" with AM until Sept 30th. I say "stuck" as the one restriction I found intolerable was the single session limit for a single user subscription (eg. mac mini playing iTunes Radio in living room and Apple TV upstairs also playing iTunes Radio at the same time). Under Match I was only limited by the number of devices. Under AM, I'm limited to a single session. Kicking off another one kicks the prior one out.
You get around this by changing your "trial" to a family plan, then disable auto-renew, so you aren't billed come October 1st. (unless you think it's worth $15 a month that is).
The whole point of AM is to make buying music pointless. Why would you buy it if it's in the AM library???
The fact that some content isn't in the AM library seems a bit like a bait and switch on Apple's part - I think most of us assumed that AM would have the entire iTunes library available.
And for those that don't understand the point of iTunes Match (there were a few posts earlier in the thread) - I don't have to have any of my music on my phone. Stream all of it, never hit my monthly cellular data usage cap. My next phone will be the smallest amount of storage that they have available, as I don't need much for apps. I'd rather keep my data in the cloud and stream it.
For those (like me) that are iTunes Match subscribers who opt in for the AM trial, you need to know that you can't opt out - you're "stuck" with AM until Sept 30th. I say "stuck" as the one restriction I found intolerable was the single session limit for a single user subscription (eg. mac mini playing iTunes Radio in living room and Apple TV upstairs also playing iTunes Radio at the same time). Under Match I was only limited by the number of devices. Under AM, I'm limited to a single session. Kicking off another one kicks the prior one out.
You get around this by changing your "trial" to a family plan, then disable auto-renew, so you aren't billed come October 1st. (unless you think it's worth $15 a month that is).
The whole point of AM is to make buying music pointless. Why would you buy it if it's in the AM library???
The fact that some content isn't in the AM library seems a bit like a bait and switch on Apple's part - I think most of us assumed that AM would have the entire iTunes library available.
And for those that don't understand the point of iTunes Match (there were a few posts earlier in the thread) - I don't have to have any of my music on my phone. Stream all of it, never hit my monthly cellular data usage cap. My next phone will be the smallest amount of storage that they have available, as I don't need much for apps. I'd rather keep my data in the cloud and stream it.
I think most people are still having a hard time understanding how Apple Music and iCloud Music works you are not really in loss if you cancel iCloud Music if they were matched and the ones that were DRM and than updated with iCloud Music to none DRM and to a better quality you will still keep the one you got after you cancel iCloud music especially the ripped CDs or music you downloaded else where after you cancel iCloud music.
With Apple Music it still matches most of your purchases from iTunes but if not mistaken DRM returns which is understandable for streaming but what I have noticed CDs I purchased and ripped no longer matching even before I signed up Apple Music as of today it was no longer matching with the current update for some odd reason. Now if I am not mistaken even after you cancel Apple Music even though DRM was added your purchase is still yours without DRM returned.
With Apple Music it still matches most of your purchases from iTunes but if not mistaken DRM returns which is understandable for streaming but what I have noticed CDs I purchased and ripped no longer matching even before I signed up Apple Music as of today it was no longer matching with the current update for some odd reason. Now if I am not mistaken even after you cancel Apple Music even though DRM was added your purchase is still yours without DRM returned.
On Microsoft version of the current iTunes version there is under File>Library>Update iCloud Music
Can not find it on my Mac version of iTunes strange either way I am subscribed to iTunes Music and iCloud Music which I am keep until Sept. 20.
Paco II
macrumors 68020
Are you saying that with your single user Apple Music subscription and having iTunes Match, you can no longer listen to your iTunes Matched/Uploaded music on more than one device at a time? If that's the case you should complain to Apple. That can't be how it's supposed to work. Apple Music should not be removing iTunes Match features of your own music.
fischersd
macrumors 603
I'm saying iTunes Radio is more restricted on AM than it is on Match with a single user account. AM limits iTunes Radio for a single user to 1 session. A family account is limited to 6. There was no limit previously on iTunes Radio on iTunes Match - only the number of devices that you can have authorized.
Apple is very much aware. Two levels of support I discussed this with.