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iTunes PreInstalled HPs - End of March

CRACKS

Dude,
Let me set up this metephor.
There is this vast plain of concrete that's impenetrable. Then little by little a tiny crack begins and starts to rip through the concrete until its broken in half.

Apple is gaining on world domination one crack at a time. It won't be long beofre hackers start writing viruses for mac...

ching ching
 
adzoox said:
I wonder if this will have a connection to a European Music Store launch too?
Hp is much further international reaching business than Apple and I suspect that HP's export system is much more streamlined.
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The problem is not a technical, exporting, marketing or any other Apple problem. The problem is multi-fold, primarily dealing with governmental and legal issues outside the US. Apple has to have the electronic distribution rights to every song included on the iTMS. Given the paternalistic nature (even worse than here) of governments they are dealing with, it will take time to secure those rights from all (very very very many) the current rights holders in each country and region.

All the people complaining about Apple being so slow to support their non-US country need to look to their own countries as being the major slowdown. If Apple could have secured the rights a year ago, they'd have launched a year ago. They WANT the market, it is just a question of being legally able to do it.
 
obeygiant said:
Dude,
Let me set up this metephor.
There is this vast plain of concrete that's impenetrable. Then little by little a tiny crack begins and starts to rip through the concrete until its broken in half.

Apple is gaining on world domination one crack at a time. It won't be long beofre hackers start writing viruses for mac...

ching ching
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The viruses will be on the PC side of Apples software equation. We are alright :D
 
I already posted this earlier. Post #31 from "HP Music Website and HP iTunes" post (the last news item on the main page). Just waiting to see if Im going to be offering any inhouse support for the iPod or if us HP/Compaq employees are going to get one :)
 
what?

Royal Pineapple said:
no mention of apple, it did claim that HP wrote the software, methinks apple ought to hit this market up aswell
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so, what you are saying, is HP has the software and store, but choose only to offer it through Starbucks, and offer Apples iTMS on their machines?

no offense, but a little logic says this is iTMS on these HP pads at the coffee shop, unless they specifically say otherwise. doing otherwise makes no sense at all.
 
Not just iTunes or iPods ..

HP needs to make Macs. Apple should contract with companies like HP and Sony to make or sell Mac hardware.

That would go a long way in seeing Macs go back into offices, when companies would no longer feel like they are stuck with one supplier for Macs.

Then, the marketing could be spread around. Imagine a commercial for an HP computer comes on, with a little "Mac Inside" logo.

I think it's once again the right time.
 
welborn said:
HP needs to make Macs. Apple should contract with companies like HP and Sony to make or sell Mac hardware.

That would go a long way in seeing Macs go back into offices, when companies would no longer feel like they are stuck with one supplier for Macs.

Then, the marketing could be spread around. Imagine a commercial for an HP computer comes on, with a little "Mac Inside" logo.

I think it's once again the right time.
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Think that if you want, but no sane business model would have a company with less than a 5% market share license its product to others. Apple would be dead in a month.

No one, least of all Apple's management, is oblivious to the benefits of licensing. But this most definitely is not the time.

elo
 
centauratlas said:
The problem is not a technical, exporting, marketing or any other Apple problem. The problem is multi-fold, primarily dealing with governmental and legal issues outside the US. Apple has to have the electronic distribution rights to every song included on the iTMS. Given the paternalistic nature (even worse than here) of governments they are dealing with, it will take time to secure those rights from all (very very very many) the current rights holders in each country and region.
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I think it's not the governments, but the corporate owners who want their product to have different distribution rules in different countries. This way they can practice price discrimination (economics term that means different prices for different customers, for the same product) and raise their profits a bit.

Philosophically, I find it interesting and sad when people attack governments as our greatest nemeses. Historically, it's true that governments have been the most powerful agents to control people's lives (in positive or negative ways). Now, because we've been so successful in keeping governments from gaining too much power (in the West, and especially the USA), a new and more insidious force has arisen: corporations and oligopolies. They can push around our governments and rip off our fellow citizens. And they don't even have the formality of being elected to possibly staunch their creeping expansion of power. If 1984, Brave New World, or We were written today, the antagonists would not be governments. They would be Microsoft, Enron, etc. (Check out Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars for example.)
 
does this mean they will pre-install quicktime, too (for AAC support) - or do they already do that? (i've never bought a PC)
 
nuckinfutz said:
Steve Jobs stated that the 100 Million in sales by iTMS anniversary would included the Pepsi promotion.

With a pepsi redemption rate of 33% Apple hits the 100 million pretty easy. I know I might have like 50 bottle caps redeemed by them. I'm tilting bottles like mad!
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Apple won't hit the 100 million song mark.

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/03/16/itunes/

The Pepsi redemption rate is pretty abysmal. They may get up to 76 million to 80 million at best.
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
I think they could sell it for $99.00 and make a nice profit and they would be able to sell a lot of them. does windows xp home or professional come with anything like the ilife apps?
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Keep in mind that iLife is intended to leverage sales of Macs ("look what you can't get on a PC!") and so selling iLife (or any of the other cool Mac-included software) on PC's would probably reduce Mac sales by reducing the perceived benefit of buying a Mac - Apple would much rather you buy a Mac than earn $100 profit (if that) on an iLife sale for your $500 HP PC.

On the other hand, iTunes leverages iPod and Music Store sales, and so it helps Apple to have it everywhere they can put it.
 
shen said:
so, what you are saying, is HP has the software and store, but choose only to offer it through Starbucks, and offer Apples iTMS on their machines?

no offense, but a little logic says this is iTMS on these HP pads at the coffee shop, unless they specifically say otherwise. doing otherwise makes no sense at all.
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It is alittle different what is going to happen is that Starbucks provide the music (not much) and then HP provides the PCs maintainence (HP will probably outsource the software.) For $6.95 you get 5 songs and thenm a dollar per song after that. When you choose all of the songs you get a cd burt specifically for you. It is in no means an HP store, merely a Kiosk of sorts. And it will only be in about 30 store before 2006
 
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