iTunes store Canada has NO 1080P content

araey

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Oh how stupid was I.... to actually think that when Apple.ca advertises that itunes and apple tv 3 in canada will be able to stream 1080p content that they might actually give us some 1080p content to stream it!

My new ATV3 arrives tomorrow and now for me its totally useless as itunes canada has 0 1080p content in either movies or tv shows...

Anyone else notice this or am i alone?
 

scarred

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Oh how stupid was I.... to actually think that when Apple.ca advertises that itunes and apple tv 3 in canada will be able to stream 1080p content that they might actually give us some 1080p content to stream it!

My new ATV3 arrives tomorrow and now for me its totally useless as itunes canada has 0 1080p content in either movies or tv shows...

Anyone else notice this or am i alone?
Sigh, really?

I'll probably return mine then. That's not right.
 

araey

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yea im serious. i just found out a few mins ago...

I'm pretty shocked really. Considering how long it took Apple to bring tv shows over to ATV in Canada (2 years) i wont be surprised if we wont get 1080P for another 2 years.

Gotta love it...
 

togar4071

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tv but not movies

I found 1080p tv content on itunes Canada, but none for movies. I do see US Itunes has 1080p movies. Hmmm. Not surprised.
 

araey

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thanks for the info. i just found the same. however movies in 1080p seem to be missing. Do you think ATV will offer movies in 1080p or mirror everything currently on the itunes CA store?
 

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I know I've downloaded a few shows in 1080p already. Haven't looked at movies yet.
 

Oracle1729

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Why would anyone buy an apple TV?

the 1080p streaming is a joke. It's a lower datarate than DVD, and more pixels just mean more artifacts. Plus with the cheap stereo sound, why even bother? The 7.1 sound on a blu-ray alone takes more bandwidth than apple's whole fake-HD stream and it's worth every byte.

On the other hand, atv still won't sync with an apple bluetooth keyboard to make searching easier, it won't play a ripped DVD library, won't let you watch actual TV, and is pretty much useless for anything except watching crap-quality apple streams that cost more than just buying the DVD.

Expecting 1080p to mean something is like expecting a 14mp pos camera to take better pictures than a 4mp pos camera. Pixels doesn't automatically mean better and anyone who thinks apple 1080p is anywhere near blu-ray even at 720p or even DVD 480p is an idiot.
 

Che Castro

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the 1080p streaming is a joke. It's a lower datarate than DVD, and more pixels just mean more artifacts. Plus with the cheap stereo sound, why even bother? The 7.1 sound on a blu-ray alone takes more bandwidth than apple's whole fake-HD stream and it's worth every byte.

On the other hand, atv still won't sync with an apple bluetooth keyboard to make searching easier, it won't play a ripped DVD library, won't let you watch actual TV, and is pretty much useless for anything except watching crap-quality apple streams that cost more than just buying the DVD.

Expecting 1080p to mean something is like expecting a 14mp pos camera to take better pictures than a 4mp pos camera. Pixels doesn't automatically mean better and anyone who thinks apple 1080p is anywhere near blu-ray even at 720p or even DVD 480p is an idiot.
Tell em why u mad
 

notjustjay

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Canada, eh?
Also, we don't get streaming of purchased movies from iCloud yet. Boo.

Guess I'm glad I delayed my order of the new Apple TV. I'll wait a bit...
 

araey

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the 1080p streaming is a joke. It's a lower datarate than DVD, and more pixels just mean more artifacts. Plus with the cheap stereo sound, why even bother? The 7.1 sound on a blu-ray alone takes more bandwidth than apple's whole fake-HD stream and it's worth every byte.

On the other hand, atv still won't sync with an apple bluetooth keyboard to make searching easier, it won't play a ripped DVD library, won't let you watch actual TV, and is pretty much useless for anything except watching crap-quality apple streams that cost more than just buying the DVD.

Expecting 1080p to mean something is like expecting a 14mp pos camera to take better pictures than a 4mp pos camera. Pixels doesn't automatically mean better and anyone who thinks apple 1080p is anywhere near blu-ray even at 720p or even DVD 480p is an idiot.
lol when did i ever compare Blu-ray with ATV streaming in this thread??? I am just pissed at the fact that they advertise for 1080p streaming on the .ca site and don't provide.
 

Rideherhard

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If you look at the requirements to download/play 1080P from iTunes you need a C2D 2.4 or better Mac, my late 09 MBP doesn't meet these specs at 2.26 C2D, that seems pretty ridiculous, guess I'll stick with blu ray Apple.
 

togar4071

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Some websites have already reported on a visual comparison of blu-ray and ATV 1080P video quality, and report that they're pretty close. However, as earlier poster remarked, there is also the issue of sound - blu-ray is better - but not important for all movies. And I wouldn't want to buy/rent a blu-ray for every movie I want to see.
 

eddyg

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Where to start...

the 1080p streaming is a joke. It's a lower datarate than DVD, and more pixels just mean more artifacts. Plus with the cheap stereo sound, why even bother? The 7.1 sound on a blu-ray alone takes more bandwidth than apple's whole fake-HD stream and it's worth every byte.
Bit rate is not the be all and end all. As Ars points out, Apple have started using the more advanced CPU intensive compression algorithms in h264 that are part of the high profile settings. These take it up to near blue ray quality in most situations. Comparing h264 high profile with mpeg2 compression as used on DVDs is silly. That's like comparing mp3 to AAC.

As for audio, apple send through an unaltered Dolby digital AC3 track at 5.1, although not as good as DTS or 7.1 it is the bees knees for 98% of people.

I do have a 7.1 system, but am happy with the 5.1 streams for the ad hoc movies I get from iTunes.


On the other hand, atv still won't sync with an apple bluetooth keyboard to make searching easier, it won't play a ripped DVD library, won't let you watch actual TV, and is pretty much useless for anything except watching crap-quality apple streams that cost more than just buying the DVD.
I've been playing thousands of ripped DVDs for years on my ATVs, just convert them to mp4 containers. Nothing magical about it. I watch tv daily on it, just use eyetv to record and encode, then watch the recording, admittedly not live, which is a pain, but that's what the tv tuner is for, although I'd like it if eyetv could stream live tv to the ATV.

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Expecting 1080p to mean something is like expecting a 14mp pos camera to take better pictures than a 4mp pos camera. Pixels doesn't automatically mean better and anyone who thinks apple 1080p is anywhere near blu-ray even at 720p or even DVD 480p is an idiot.
Exactly, you do understand. It's not the resolution that counts, it's the compression algorithms. Anyone can compress 1080p down to almost nothing, and still say it is 1080p, but on movement is just macro blocks. The key here is that apple hasn't done that, they are using decent compression, and it does actually look good on paid for apple downloads (they are not streamed). Don't judge it on the previews.

Cheers Ed.
 

eddyg

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Dts

One more thing, now that DTS has been accepted as an audio format within the mp4 container, there is no reason that DTS can't be supported on the atv (for pass through) I'd like to see the atv support passing through DTS and another audio codecs, especially since there is no overhead for doing so, just pass it through to the receiver. As for apple providing streams/downloads it is harder since they can't provide both DTS and ac3 without wasting/compromising bandwidth, so they have to stick to the lowest common denomitor.
 

araey

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Some websites have already reported on a visual comparison of blu-ray and ATV 1080P video quality, and report that they're pretty close. However, as earlier poster remarked, there is also the issue of sound - blu-ray is better - but not important for all movies. And I wouldn't want to buy/rent a blu-ray for every movie I want to see.
This ^
 

jchisholm

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I don't get it..

Am I the only one here from Canada that realizes that the easiest solution is simply to create a US iTunes account ?!
Had one for years as well as my Cdn account, I just switch back and forth to find what I need.
 

Dhelsdon

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Canadian Eh!
Am I the only one here from Canada that realizes that the easiest solution is simply to create a US iTunes account ?!
Had one for years as well as my Cdn account, I just switch back and forth to find what I need.
I was thinking the same thing while reading this thread, the only downside is it will suck having purchases on separate accounts, and you probably can't link the same credit card to multiple accounts.

I guess you could use gift cards to purchase stuff too but still it'll be a PITA
 

Rideherhard

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Am I the only one here from Canada that realizes that the easiest solution is simply to create a US iTunes account ?!
Had one for years as well as my Cdn account, I just switch back and forth to find what I need.
If I could transfer all my past purchases from the Canadian store to the American one I'd do it, but I on't think I can?. I just find switching between the 2 when I rely on iCloud as a big pain in the butt.
 

JohnDoe98

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If you look at the requirements to download/play 1080P from iTunes you need a C2D 2.4 or better Mac, my late 09 MBP doesn't meet these specs at 2.26 C2D, that seems pretty ridiculous, guess I'll stick with blu ray Apple.
Where did you find this?
 

DueckT0

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I exceed all system requirements for 1080p content...if you look at the description HERE under "HD Movies. Always the Best Seat in the House" it says SOME content in 1080p. As of right now, I only see TV shows. I wish I had known this...to get 1080p movies is the only reason I made the upgrade. Now I have an AppleTV 2 and 3...3 doing nothing much for me right now.

I really wish this was made more aware to people making these purchases...hopefully this changes very soon...but of course, good luck finding anything about this on Apple.ca