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I plan on applying for the IUP and hopefully get 2 iPhone Xs pre-ordered early. With that said, are the iPhones you get from the IUP sim free? Are they unlocked and compatible with any of the 4 Carriers?

Also, is the Apple Care free when you get it through the IUP?
 

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I plan on applying for the IUP and hopefully get 2 iPhone Xs pre-ordered early. With that said, are the iPhones you get from the IUP sim free? Are they unlocked and compatible with any of the 4 Carriers?

Also, is the Apple Care free when you get it through the IUP?
They’re completely unlocked and work with any of the four carriers. You do need a post-paid account with one of those carriers though and it’ll come with a SIM card for whoever your carrier is.

Apple Care comes with the iUP but it’s not free, it’s in your monthly payments
 

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They’re completely unlocked and work with any of the four carriers. You do need a post-paid account with one of those carriers though and it’ll come with a SIM card for whoever your carrier is.

Apple Care comes with the iUP but it’s not free, it’s in your monthly payments
I have a iPhone 7 Plus, an iPhone 6 Plus, and 1 iPad Pro on AT&T. The iPhone 7 Plus is eligible for upgrade and I owe half of it but the other devices are paid off. I’m trying to switch to Verizon before iPhone X pre-ordering begins. I’m stuck though. My iPhone 7 Plus does not work with Verizon. The iPad does and the iPhone 6. I’m thinking of paying off the iPhone 7 Plus, start service with Verizon with the iPad and iPhone 6, and just pay one more month to AT&T for the iPhone 7 Plus. Then apply for the IUP and pre-order 2 iPhone Xs. Once they come in, I’ll cancel my AT&T service, and add another line to my Verizon account connect the new iPhone X. Do I have have that right? I’m trying to do it right. For precaution, I’m going to also pre-order both iPhone Xs through Verizon in case something happens with the IUP. If it goes through, I’ll cancel the Verizon pre-order.
 

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I have a iPhone 7 Plus, an iPhone 6 Plus, and 1 iPad Pro on AT&T. The iPhone 7 Plus is eligible for upgrade and I owe half of it but the other devices are paid off. I’m trying to switch to Verizon before iPhone X pre-ordering begins. I’m stuck though. My iPhone 7 Plus does not work with Verizon. The iPad does and the iPhone 6. I’m thinking of paying off the iPhone 7 Plus, start service with Verizon with the iPad and iPhone 6, and just pay one more month to AT&T for the iPhone 7 Plus. Then apply for the IUP and pre-order 2 iPhone Xs. Once they come in, I’ll cancel my AT&T service, and add another line to my Verizon account connect the new iPhone X. Do I have have that right? I’m trying to do it right. For precaution, I’m going to also pre-order both iPhone Xs through Verizon in case something happens with the IUP. If it goes through, I’ll cancel the Verizon pre-order.
Yes you’re correct. You can even preorder the X on your AT&T account and it’ll still work with Verizon (I recently switched to Verizon and did this with the 8+) so you can wait till you get the new phones to sign up for Verizon’s service
 

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Yes you’re correct. You can even preorder the X on your AT&T account and it’ll still work with Verizon (I recently switched to Verizon and did this with the 8+) so you can wait till you get the new phones to sign up for Verizon’s service
But wouldn’t I be locked with AT&T because I owe them the installments? Or I would owe the installments to Apple huh? I confused myself here. Hahaha
 

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I plan on applying for the IUP and hopefully get 2 iPhone Xs pre-ordered early. With that said, are the iPhones you get from the IUP sim free?
No, they are the carrier models.

Are they unlocked and compatible with any of the 4 Carriers?
No. They are all unlocked but only the Sprint and Verizon are compatible with all 4 carriers because those have the Qualcomm chip. The AT&T and TMobile models have the Intel chip and can only be used on GSM carriers. At least that is how it is with the iP7/7+/8/8+.

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Also, is the Apple Care free when you get it through the IUP?
No, it costs exactly the same and you pay the sales tax on it up front but they break it into 24 payments and it is included in the monthly payment.
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They’re completely unlocked and work with any of the four carriers.
Unless it is different for the iPX, the AT&T and TMobile models have the Intel chip and don't work with CDMA carriers.
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I’m thinking of paying off the iPhone 7 Plus
If you financed it through AT&T, that is what you have to do if you are leaving AT&T. Verizon will give you $300 trade in value for the iPhone 7+ towards an iPX if you get one of their unlimited plans.

Why are you leaving AT&T?

Once they come in, I’ll cancel my AT&T service, and add another line to my Verizon account connect the new iPhone X. Do I have have that right?
Do you want 3 lines on Verizon - 2 smartphones and an iPad?

What Verizon plan do you want?
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Then apply for the IUP and pre-order 2 iPhone Xs.
I don't think that you can have both an AiUP pre-order on a Verizon line and a Verizon pre-order on the same Verizon line. Apple interfaces with Verizon's database and I don't think you can do both.
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Yes you’re correct. You can even preorder the X on your AT&T account and it’ll still work with Verizon
So do all of the iPX have Qualcomm chips?
 
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No, they are the carrier models.

No. They are all unlocked but only the Sprint and Verizon are compatible with all 4 carriers because those have the Qualcomm chip. The AT&T and TMobile models have the Intel chip and can only be used on GSM carriers.
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No, it costs exactly the same and you pay the sales tax on it up front but they break it into 24 payments and it is included in the monthly payment.
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That's false. The AT&T and TMobile models have the Intel chip and don't work with CDMA carriers.
[doublepost=1508805087][/doublepost]If you financed it through AT&T, that is what you have to do if you are leaving AT&T. Verizon will give you $300 trade in value for the iPhone 7+ towards an iPX if you get one of their unlimited plans.

Why are you leaving AT&T?

Do you want 3 lines on Verizon - 2 smartphones and an iPad?

What Verizon plan do you want?
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I don't think that you can have both an AiUP pre-order on a Verizon line and a Verizon pre-order on the same Verizon line. Apple interfaces with Verizon's database and I don't think you can do both.
Yes 3 lines. I want the premium unlimited. It’s going to cost me $180. I pay $175 with AT&T. I’m switching because everywhere I’ve been, VerIzon has always been better. Houston and Austin TX.
 

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Yes 3 lines. I want the premium unlimited. It’s going to cost me $180. I pay $175 with AT&T. I’m switching because everywhere I’ve been, VerIzon has always been better. Houston and Austin TX.
Verizon is definitely not better in Austin.

http://www.rootmetrics.com/en-US/rootscore/map/metro/austin-tx/2017/1H

How is Verizon better to you?

The Verizon premium unlimited - Beyond Unlimited - throttles your video to 3.8Mbps - 480p standard resolution. There is no way to unthrottle it. I am thinking about leaving Verizon for AT&T because of this.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/22/16181362/verizon-new-unlimited-data-plan-video-throttling-net-neutrality

https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/22/verizon-unlimited-video-throttling/



AT&T lets you choose whether or not to use stream saver, whereas Verizon forces it on everyone. I would stay with AT&T.
 

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Verizon is definitely not better in Austin.

http://www.rootmetrics.com/en-US/rootscore/map/metro/austin-tx/2017/1H

How is Verizon better to you?

The Verizon premium unlimited - Beyond Unlimited - throttles your video to 3.8Mbps - 480p standard resolution. There is no way to unthrottle it. I am thinking about leaving Verizon for AT&T because of this.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/22/16181362/verizon-new-unlimited-data-plan-video-throttling-net-neutrality

https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/22/verizon-unlimited-video-throttling/



AT&T lets you choose whether or not to use stream saver, whereas Verizon forces it on everyone. I would stay with AT&T.
You make a very valid point. Thank you for that info!! I might just pre-order with AT&T now. I also don’t want the Apple care which is on the IUP. Hmmm
 

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I have no idea how the X hardware will work (or for that matter how the 8 hardware works), but I do know that last year, with the 7 series, different models had different lte bands. Yes they are always unlocked, but if you were on Verizon you got the Verizon phone which had additional bands to the ATT model, as an example.

It’s worth looking into what bands the phone has and which one you will be getting. To me that was a dumb move last year. One of the perks of the program is being able to hop around carriers and yet you can’t request the selfie in device when signing up. AFAIK the version device was the most capable last year by way of supporting the most bands, cdma, etc.
 

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If you are in the IUP and on AT&T or other Intel based radio phone, you can switch to Verizon or Sprint. Apple will switch out the phone for you if you switch - no extra cost. I don't recall if anyone not on IUP has successfully made the move. But I suppose it's possible since Apple stated their phones can be used on all carriers.
 

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You make a very valid point. Thank you for that info!! I might just pre-order with AT&T now. I also don’t want the Apple care which is on the IUP. Hmmm
The AC+ for the iPX is $200, with tax $215. You pay the sales tax upfront along with the sales tax on the device and the $200 is broken up into $24 monthly payments included in the device payment. Deductibles are $29/$99.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/S6367LL/A/applecare-for-iphone-x

If you get an AT&T iPX, if it is like the iP8/8+, it will not work on Verizon. If you get an AT&T iPX through AiUP and switch to Verizon, they will exchange it for a Verizon iPX. If you get it through AT&T, you cannot exchange it. You would have to sell it or trade it in if you moved to Verizon.

http://www.barrons.com/articles/qualcomm-intel-setup-unchanged-with-apples-iphone-x-says-raymond-james-1505318098
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I have no idea how the X hardware will work (or for that matter how the 8 hardware works),
The iP8/8+ are just like the iP7/7+ - there are Intel and Qualcomm models. It looks like the same will be true of the iPX:

http://www.barrons.com/articles/qualcomm-intel-setup-unchanged-with-apples-iphone-x-says-raymond-james-1505318098
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To me that was a dumb move last year. One of the perks of the program is being able to hop around carriers and yet you can’t request the selfie in device when signing up. AFAIK the version device was the most capable last year by way of supporting the most bands, cdma, etc.
The Verizon and the Sprint iP7/7+ are identical to the SIM free model. The AT&T and TMobile iP7/7+ are identical to each other.

It works the same with the iP8/8+ and looks like that will be true of the iPX. However, if you are on the AiUP, they will switch your Intel model for a Qualcomm model if you switch to a CDMA carrier.
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I don't recall if anyone not on IUP has successfully made the move.
Apple does not switch out models unless you are on the AiUP. No exceptions.

But I suppose it's possible since Apple stated their phones can be used on all carriers.
No that is not how it works. Apple never has said that all of its phones can be used on all carriers. They have a SIM free (factory unlocked) model that can be used on all 4 carriers but you can't get the SIM free model in the AiUP.

No where has Apple ever stated that the carrier models work on all 4 carriers.
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You make a very valid point. Thank you for that info!! I might just pre-order with AT&T now. I also don’t want the Apple care which is on the IUP. Hmmm
You should read my thread here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/best-buy-sells-iphones-subject-to-the-us-reseller-flex-policy.2079815/
 
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Sorry for the confusion in my earlier posts. The main point is, if you buy from Apple using the iUP you need to have carrier information. No matter what carrier information that is (whether it’s AT&T or Verizon) you’ll get the unlocked version of the phone (Qualcomm model) that works will all carriers. So even though I had AT&T when I bought the iPhone 8+, I still got the model that works with any carrier. So if you buy from Apple using the iUP you can switch to Verizon at any later date without switching your actual phone, you just need to switch the SIM
 

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No matter what carrier information that is (whether it’s AT&T or Verizon) you’ll get the unlocked version of the phone (Qualcomm model) that works will all carriers.
No!!! This is not true. You only get the Qualcomm model if you have a Verizon or Sprint account. If you have an AT&T or TMobile account, you get the Intel model. It is carrier unlocked but it won't work on Verizon or Sprint since it doesn't have CDMA modems.

However, if you are on the AiUP and have the Intel model and are moving to Verizon or Sprint, Apple will exchange your phone but that requires that you start a new AiUP loan and then Citizens refunds you for what you paid on the original loan.

This is how it works. There are many threads about this from the iP7/7+.

You do NOT get the Qualcomm model if you are on the AiUP and you have a TMobile or AT&T account. But as long as your AiUP loan is still not paid off, you can exchange if you are moving to a CDMA carrier, although it is a bit of a hassle to wait for the refund from Citizens One.

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So even though I had AT&T when I bought the iPhone 8+, I still got the model that works with any carrier.
What is the model number in the settings?
 
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No!!! This is not true. You only get the Qualcomm model if you have a Verizon or Sprint account. If you have an AT&T or TMobile account, you get the Intel model. It is carrier unlocked but it won't work on Verizon or TMobile since it doesn't have CDMA modems.

However, if you are on the AiUP and have the Intel model and are moving to Verizon or Sprint, Apple will exchange your phone but that requires that you start a new AiUP loan and then Citizens refunds you for what you paid on the original loan.

This is how it works. There are many threads about this from the iP7/7+.
Second this. This is totally correct information. I went through this exact experience with the iPhone 6s. Bought the AT&T Model, then wanted to switch to Verizon (within the 14 day period). Apple told me my AT&T phone was NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE VERIZON NETWORK. I had to return the phone and cancel the existing IUP loan, then start a new IUP loan for the Verizon phone.
 
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No!!! This is not true. You only get the Qualcomm model if you have a Verizon or Sprint account. If you have an AT&T or TMobile account, you get the Intel model. It is carrier unlocked but it won't work on Verizon or Sprint since it doesn't have CDMA modems.

However, if you are on the AiUP and have the Intel model and are moving to Verizon or Sprint, Apple will exchange your phone but that requires that you start a new AiUP loan and then Citizens refunds you for what you paid on the original loan.

This is how it works. There are many threads about this from the iP7/7+.

You do NOT get the Qualcomm model if you are on the AiUP and you have a TMobile or AT&T account. But as long as your AiUP loan is still not paid off, you can exchange if you are moving to a CDMA carrier, although it is a bit of a hassle to wait for the refund from Citizens One.

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What is the model number in the settings?
Maybe this isn’t true for the 7/+ but I ordered the 8+ using my AT&T info and recently switched to Verizon and only needed to switch the SIM, I didn’t need to get a different model. I was told at the Apple store that when you purchase online with the iUP you will get the fully unlocked model. The model number for mine is A1897. While even the Apple website (iPhone 8 spec page) says that this model will not work on Verizon, I’m currently on Verizon and it’s working fine.
 

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Maybe this isn’t true for the 7/+ but I ordered the 8+ using my AT&T info and recently switched to Verizon and only needed to switch the SIM, I didn’t need to get a different model. I was told at the Apple store that when you purchase online with the iUP you will get the fully unlocked model. The model number for mine is A1897. While even the Apple website (iPhone 8 spec page) says that this model will not work on Verizon, I’m currently on Verizon and it’s working fine.
MQ8W2LL/A = iPhone 8 Plus 256GB, Space Gray (AT&T). It has the Intel modem. What is happening is that you are operating on VoLTE/LTE only while on Verizon since the Intel chip cannot work on Verizon's 3G and CDMA networks. Your phone is only "working fine" for you on Verizon where Verizon has an LTE signal.

If you never need to use Verizon's CDMA or 3G networks because you only go places where Verizon has LTE, then it should work but if you ever drop your LTE signal down to 3G, your phone will not work at all on Verizon's 3G and CDMA networks. And your phone will never work on Sprint at all.

You do NOT have the Qualcomm chip. You have the Intel chip in your phone. It is just that you are only going places where Verizon has 4G LTE coverage and the Intel chip works on Verizon's LTE network.

If you are on Verizon now, I would exchange your device for a Qualcomm iP8+, Apple will do that for you if you are on the AiUP. But it will require a refund and a new loan.

Try finding a place where you live that has a hole in Verizon's LTE coverage if you want to test it. At one of my local malls indoors in the big box stores like Costco, my phone drops LTE and goes to 3G. If you have somewhere like that, I think you will see you get no service at all on Verizon.
 
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MQ8W2LL/A = iPhone 8 Plus 256GB, Space Gray (AT&T). It has the Intel modem. What is happening is that you are operating on VoLTE/LTE only while on Verizon since the Intel chip cannot work on Verizon's 3G and CDMA networks. Your phone is only "working fine" for you on Verizon where Verizon has an LTE signal.

If you never need to use Verizon's CDMA or 3G networks because you only go places where Verizon has LTE, then it should work but if you ever drop your LTE signal down to 3G, your phone will not work at all on Verizon's 3G and CDMA networks. And your phone will never work on Sprint at all.

You do NOT have the Qualcomm chip. You have the Intel chip in your phone. It is just that you are only going places where Verizon has 4G LTE coverage and the Intel chip works on Verizon's LTE network.

If you are on Verizon now, I would exchange your device for a Qualcomm iP8+, Apple will do that for you if you are on the AiUP. But it will require a refund and a new loan.

Try finding a place where you live that has a hole in Verizon's LTE coverage if you want to test it. At one of my local malls indoors in the big box stores like Costco, my phone drops LTE and goes to 3G. If you have somewhere like that, I think you will see you get no service at all.
Oh okay, this clears things up. I was just going off what they told me in the Apple store so apologizes for spreading any misinformation. There have been a couple places where I have had no service at all where I expected service and now that you mention it, I have never seen anything other than Verizon LTE.

I initially went to the Apple store to exchange the phone for a Qualcomm model but the Apple store rep told me to try the Verizon SIM in the phone I had now. When I put the SIM in it worked, so they sent me on my way. Annoying they didn’t tell me it would only work on LTE
 

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There have been a couple places where I have had no service at all where I expected service and now that you mention it, I have never seen anything other than Verizon LTE.
Right so you dropped the LTE signal and then you get no service at all since the Intel chip doesn't have the CDMA modems to work on Verizon's CDMA and 3G networks. That could be very dangerous so I would not accept that.

I initially went to the Apple store to exchange the phone for a Qualcomm model but the Apple store rep told me to try the Verizon SIM in the phone I had now. When I put the SIM in it worked, so they sent me on my way. Annoying they didn’t tell me it would only work on LTE
Yeah, I would go back and tell them that this isn't cutting it since the Intel modem can't work on Verizon's CDMA or 3G networks. Just because they get a good Verizon LTE signal in the Apple store doesn't mean squat. You don't get Verizon LTE everywhere and where you don't, you need the CDMA modems. They will give you a new Verizon iPhone 8+ but you have to start a new loan. Then you get refunded what you have paid on your original loan. Shouldn't be much that you have paid yet.

Call 1-800-MyiPhone if you need to to get them to notate your account. Ask for an Apple Senior Advisor.