I've HAD IT! Panther, yur OUT! TIGER, get in here!

[invigorated]

Tiger has NEVER been a reason to upgrade for me. It offered me NOTHING I needed. Period.

Evidently that's not the case. Tiger has features that are required to run the apps you wish to run, to do the things you wish to do. Just because they are classified as "Developer features" doesn't make them any less valuable than any other part of OS X.

Some of the applications you wish to use wouldn't exist if not for the features of Tiger.

If your content to use old operating systems stick with old applications.

 

[Cleverboy]

Evidently that's not the case. Tiger has features that are required to run the apps you wish to run, to do the things you wish to do. Just because they are classified as "Developer features" doesn't make them any less valuable than any other part of OS X.

Some of the applications you wish to use wouldn't exist if not for the features of Tiger.

If your content to use old operating systems stick with old applications.

Zzzzz....

Utimately I think you're right. Events like the release of a much more friendlier and/or powerful set of APIs certainly leaves customers stranded, but its much more friendly for developers to say, "here's the older version for the older operating system, but its NOT supported", than "I'm sorry, you can only use our software if you have the most current operating system". It's just alarming to me to not give customers options.
[--SNIP--]
I don't mind that 68k died in favor of PowerPC, or that PowerPC is dying in favor of Intel. I don't mind that MacOS 9 is dead, and that OS X has a clear and healthy evolutionary path. The Mac OS evolution has lots of corpses. No problem here. I have basic old software that won't work on my latest machine, and basic new software that would never work on my old machines. Big deal That's life. I can still run Windows notepad on Windows 95 and on Windows XP though. Sometimes the details make the bigger leaps less painful.
[--SNIP--]
Moot point however. I made my $129 purchase. I spent all weekend installing the OS due to strange upgrade problems, and now I've got the latest OS for the next three months. Woo-hoo. If Leopard wasn't delayed, we probably wouldn't be having the conversation anyway.

To be honest, if it was all completely new software, that simply ONLY worked on Tiger, it wouldn't be so bad. New software is just another annoyance, especially when its not doing anything software on Panther didn't do. I'm not going to explain it again for you though, as I think you're just trying to make some random point based on a quick reading. Have fun.

As a developer, I'm sensitive to these things too. I use Real Basic for rapid application development, and I've been impressed with its downward compatibility. There was a point some years back when I was creating Macromedia projectors, and was surprised when it was clear that it was only Mac OS 9 compatible and up. The studio I'd sent it to as a client was still using Mac OS 8. That was ok though, but sometimes these tools and their support is a bumpy ride and you're never clear what you're in for. You have to respect that its not fun for consumers all the time.

~ CB

 

[spanading]

Pather and the G4

Don't worry if you have a 1Ghz or faster G4 it should run just fine. I ran tiger on a 1.25GZ G4 powerbook (albeit with 2gb of Ram) and it ran as smooth as silk! The reason you should upgrade is just one word

SPOTLIGHT!

I could not have coped with out it on my PhD!

Spence

 

[Cleverboy]

Don't worry if you have a 1Ghz or faster G4 it should run just fine. I ran tiger on a 1.25GZ G4 powerbook (albeit with 2gb of Ram) and it ran as smooth as silk! The reason you should upgrade is just one word

SPOTLIGHT!

I could not have coped with out it on my PhD!

Spence

I'm not disappointed in updating (aside from it taking too long to do, next time, I'll factor in the price of a new, clean hard drive as well). My computer works with Tiger, sadly though its only 400mHz, which is part of the reason upgrading wasn't a big deal. Lots of the graphical features don't work. At least I can run stuff. Boy, I'd have been pissed if I'd gotten a faster PowerPC machine though. Spending $129 on an OS is one thing, but $1999 on a nice iMac is something totally on another level. I saw someone selling a MacMini PowerPC for over $400 on eBay. All I could think was "suckers". Soon it'll be all Intel only and suddenly PowerPC people will feel like 68k people did years back, feeling like lepers.

~ CB

 

[kolax]

You should talk less and listen more. Your comments bare all the hallmarks of a child. Honestly. Enfant terrible. Or, yes... maybe you're a robot. That's it. Try a bolt of lightning Johnny-5. Might loosen a gasket for you.

Bit of a contradiction there - saying my comments bare that of a child and look what you typed.

My comments were related to the topic - in the sense that for technology to progress you need to update every so often. I don't see how your comment relates to the topic at all - who's immature now then?

And it's spelt "infant" by the way.

 

[synth3tik]

Fact of the matter is, you can't run the latest and greatest, unless you have the latest and greatest. It's a sad fact, but its the way it works.

 

[JFreak]

Actually, there's two sides to this story.

First of all, Apple tries hard to make things easier for developers and more compatible for end users, and that means breaking compatibility every now and then. In the long run it results in better overall experience, which is good.

The alternative would be to stick to the 80's code and not take full advantage of current inventions. That's what Microsoft does and that's why Windows systems suck. Basically, that's where it culminates.

Second side of the story is that while new OS introduces new CoreWhatever systems, most of the bells and whistles will be turned off by many people. I myself as an example always get rid of Dashboard and even the Spotlight logo on the menubar will be taken away. I liked the streamlined cleanness of Panther, but I recognize the need to introduce the new CoreSomething frameworks. Sure, Apple did implement some of those in the 10.3.9 kludge, but to be honest Panther worked so much better before that hack.

The alternative would be to not try to implement compatibility layers to old OS, but that would have pissed off even more people. For a developer, it is safer to say that you need Tiger than to claim 10.3.9 compatibilty, which in many cases is the same thing.

Whenever Leopard comes, I'll be keen to discover what to turn off first

 

[Cleverboy]

Bit of a contradiction there - saying my comments bare that of a child and look what you typed. My comments were related to the topic - in the sense that for technology to progress you need to update every so often. I don't see how your comment relates to the topic at all - who's immature now then?

I think I'm being unfair. Sorry.

And it's spelt "infant" by the way.

I guess that's my mistake. Not sure what I was thinking.

~ CB

 

[motulist]

To all the people who are complaining that "there's all this great software that's 10.4 only and yo can't get the older versions anymore that will run on 10.3, but I can't remember any specific names," well it's time to put up or shut up. (excuse the impolite phrase) I use 10.3 and I JUST came across the first piece of software that required 10.4, a LAME MP3 encoder frontend software. So I just downloaded a different LAME front end that didn't require 10.4.

You need to list a significant number of programs that are 10.4 only without older 10.3 compatible versions available. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm just saying show us which you are referring to so we can understand where you're coming from or so we can show you where you are mistaken.

 

[kolax]

I can understand why people get annoyed that software isn't produced for an older OS, but seriously it is only $129.00 to upgrade.

That's really cheap - compared to the likes of MS.

By getting developers to keep producing products for outdated OS's means that they cannot include as many features as they would've liked to. As people already said, the use of Tiger's API engine is a great way to write software; saves time and makes the software more reliable and compatible.

Leopard is out very soon - and a lot of people have said this OS is long overdue and should have been out ages ago. Where would you stand in this..? Would you prefer Apple to not update their OS or is it the fact that manufactures only make their products available for the latest and greatest OS?

I'm just curious to what peoples opinions are..

 

[arkitect]

And it's spelt "infant" by the way.

I think he was doing the French thing… Enfant terrible… so yes, enfant is correct. Unless his English grammar is poor and he meant "terrible infant" and wrote it backwards…

OK… I'll stop now.

 

[Nym]

I'm currently running Panther at work and Tiger at home.

I feel the difference when I get home, Tiger is a much better OS IMO, and working with both everyday I know what I'm talking about.

Panther has the pinstripes menubar, and god.. I hate that. That would be enough reason to do the upgrade alone

Smart Folders in Finder, Smart Mail Folders, Smart Everything that the developers choose is one of the best things in Tiger, people are always using Dashboard as a reference to Tiger's upgrades but it's much more than that.

Spotlight is great, even Exposé feels much smoother on Tiger.

But seriously, we're in July, Leopard is coming in October, just wait for now, and next time, backup you're favorite apps like I do

In case some of them break with an update,... you can always go back.

 

[Cleverboy]

But seriously, we're in July, Leopard is coming in October, just wait for now, and next time, backup you're favorite apps like I do

Well, too late for me, but come October... "backup" will be something of an afterthought, eh? Am I right?

~ CB

 

[Eraserhead]

You could email the developer and ask for the Panther version. They may just not have thought of it .

 

[Cleverboy]

You could email the developer and ask for the Panther version. They may just not have thought of it .

Very very good point. Sometimes in this Internet landscape, its easy to forget the real people out there. I've emailed developers a few times about stuff, and gotten awesome responses. I remember buying WSFTP Pro however, and losing my registered copy, and having the developer sound like I'm pulling teeth to send me a backup after my e-mail crashed and I ran into corruption issues in the first week. I was like, "Jesus... time to find another FTP program." Everyone's different I guess. I like when developers find ways where they don't need to be inconvenienced, and customers can still get services quickly and easily. Always a win/win. X-Cart and vBulletin support is excellent in my opinion. Both "scripts" though, but still.

~ CB