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The Apple watch uses magnetic clip system that fastens straps with various lugs. This isn't something new. Someone could make a standard 20mm/22mm lug that fastens to the case and they can use any strap they want.

That's a great idea.

Not sure if Apple would officially allow it, since they like to be in control and profit from that control, but a great idea.
 
That's a great idea.

Not sure if Apple would officially allow it, since they like to be in control and profit from that control, but a great idea.

That's a feature I'd love to see on every watch :) It's rather annoying dealing with spring pins
 
I’ve been saying since for some time, a circular UI wastes a ton of space (or you wind up creating a “virtual” rectangle content space resulting in a _giant_ device).

From a general UI design perspective (web, device UI, where I do have experience), you don’t really want content flowing into concave/convex spaces. This is a nice visual overview of how content works great on a [tall] rectangular display vs. a circle.

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Thanks for the lesson. It really does explain the circle vs square UI dilemma quite eloquently.

I sometimes forget how Apple can look at a problem and really find a compelling way to solve it.

With the issue of a watch, it is hard to overcome expectations because the device (a watch) is so very specific an idea. With the :apple:Watch, Apple is attempting to change that perception of what a watch is and what it can do. Redefine the term, as it were.

So perhaps this is where most of the resistance comes from: this device is not a watch. It is much, much more, just like the iPhone is so much more than a cell phone. Some people dismissed it too.

Perhaps we need to…ahem…give it time.:D
 
Thanks for the lesson. It really does explain the circle vs square UI dilemma quite eloquently.

I sometimes forget how Apple can look at a problem and really find a compelling way to solve it.

With the issue of a watch, it is hard to overcome expectations because the device (a watch) is so very specific an idea. With the :apple:Watch, Apple is attempting to change that perception of what a watch is and what it can do. Redefine the term, as it were.

So perhaps this is where most of the resistance comes from: this device is not a watch. It is much, much more, just like the iPhone is so much more than a cell phone. Some people dismissed it too.

Perhaps we need to…ahem…give it time.:D

Great post!

Just to clarify, I didn’t create that excellent visual comparison of circular vs. rectangular UIs. :)

The original author and post is here:

http://thetechblock.com/one-picture-apple-watch-wont-round-anytime-soon/


( I’m a stickler for attribution :) )
 
So are you specifically saying that no one here in this forum ever made fun of larger screens?

No, I am not saying that no one ever made fun of large screens. I'm disagreeing with what you originally said. EDIT: Please see my last line below.

And by made fun of I mean simply stating an opinion of how ridiculous it looks and/or would be awkward to hold, etc. etc. Apple's own commercial about "common sense" was an easily assumed direct attack on Samsung considering at the time (I believe) Samsung was the only company with a smartphone out that large. They may not have said "Samsung" but who else could they be referring to?

Of course they were talking about Samsung. And of course they changed course. Those two points have absolutely nothing to do with what you said, though.

I'm hearing people argue these direct, named, attacks on Apple by Samsung but really... who else could they possibly refer to even if they left out the names Apple and iPhone? There's only a single iOS smartphone platform and that is iPhone so any advertisement against features (or lack of) in iOS and the hardware is going to be a "direct" attack. And here's a real shocker... this is not new in advertising at all and is used quite often regardless of what we might think of it.

Ok, I don't disagree with this. I don't see how it's relevant to what you said though.


But back on the subject of "you"... I took the original statement of this to be general and not direct because kdarling is absolutely correct in that it is used far too often for generalizations (read: "you guys"). And now "you guys" seem to be arguing semantics and by you guys I'm referring to a much smaller group of people :)

So just stop already, you guys. Who really gives a *****?

You'll notice kdarling had no example to provide when I asked him for one and just stopped responding hoping everyone would forget his mistake. Because there is no example of a "you guy" who said they hated larger screens and then turned around and said they love them when Apple released them. The funny thing is all I asked for is one example (knowing full well that even IF you produced one example it would still mean nothing, because one person does not equal the majority, but I'll even forego all logic if you can produce one example of it and let you have that "victory"). But you, and kdarling, and "you" can't. Because that person does not exist.

Did people say they hated larger screens? Yes. Did other people say they love it? Yes. Does that mean anything in regards to how Apple users act? Nope, and if you (or kdarling) try to equate the two, that's being disingenuous or obtuse (or both).

:)

Edit: I went back and saw that you were not the original OP that made the statements. Apologies. I'm leaving my reply here for people to see my mistake with edits. My points though, still stand.
 
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Hardest project you've ever worked on because you didn't have a visionary to tell you what to do.
True.
Without Jobs, Ive is just another mediocre designer. I can't believe the same guy that designed the iPod, iMac G4, the old MacPro, the unibody MBP is responsible for the iphone 6, watch, ios7/8, trashcan MP, etc.

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The Moto 360 actually looks pretty terrible in real life (on the wrist) compared to the render:

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Yeah it looks like a giant bottle cap.
 
True.
Without Jobs, Ive is just another mediocre designer. I can't believe the same guy that designed the iPod, iMac G4, the old MacPro, the unibody MBP is responsible for the iphone 6, watch, ios7/8, trashcan MP, etc.

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Yeah it looks like a giant bottle cap.

the iMac G4 was absolutely one of the best designed all-in-one PCs of all time :)
 
You'll notice kdarling had no example to provide when I asked him for one and just stopped responding hoping everyone would forget his mistake.

I stopped responding because -- after over thirty-five years of posting -- I've learned that arguing with someone on a mission to prove something... especially a person who writes that others are "lying" if their beliefs don't match his, is usually a waste of everyone's time.

Plus readers have already made up their mind what they think.

Because there is no example of a "you guy" who said they hated larger screens and then turned around and said they love them when Apple released them.

We all understand. The OP said "you guys", which to me refers to the prevailing topic of posts. You, on the other hand, want examples of a specific someone who actually admitted they said both things. Such candor is a bit rare, though it does happen.

For example, I said we'd see "... posts from people talking about how they didn't like the iPhone 6 and the Watch at first, but that their designs are starting to grow on them..."

Sure enough, there's a thread on the Watch right now called: Anyone else hate the watch at first and now plan to buy one?

As for the phone, do you really want to claim that a lot of people didn't like the antenna breaks or the idea of bigger displays at first, but are now okay with them? Really? No one changed their mind?

Such a claim defies both common sense and human nature. It's just the way it is. People often resist change and then embrace it.
 
I stopped responding because -- after over thirty-five years of posting -- I've learned that arguing with someone on a mission to prove something... especially a person who writes that others are "lying" if their beliefs don't match his, is usually a waste of everyone's time.

Plus readers have already made up their mind what they think.

If someone says something is happening, and then cannot provide proof of it happening, I can't think of another word than lying to describe that. Can you? There's no "mission to prove" anything. It's an honest question. Is there proof that something is happening? Why is that such a hot button question to answer? Why, when proof is asked for when claims like this are made, do threads go on for days? Just provide the proof and be done with it.

We all understand. The OP said "you guys", which to me refers to the prevailing topic of posts. You, on the other hand, want examples of a specific someone who actually admitted they said both things. Such candor is a bit rare, though it does happen.

If by "a bit rare" you mean hasn't happened, then yes you'd be correct. The "prevailing" insinuation is that users here hate everything until Apple does it and then do a complete 180 and start praising it. Whats the point of acting clueless about it? Like you don't know that that's what the implication is? Playing dumb lessens your credibility even further.

For example, I said we'd see "... posts from people talking about how they didn't like the iPhone 6 and the Watch at first, but that their designs are starting to grow on them..."

Sure enough, there's a thread on the Watch right now called: Anyone else hate the watch at first and now plan to buy one?

This, and I know you know this and that's why I keep saying you're either being disingenuous or obtuse, is quite different from saying "you hated it before, and now you like it just because Apple did it".

As for the phone, do you really want to claim that a lot of people didn't like the antenna breaks or the idea of bigger displays at first, but are now okay with them? Really? No one changed their mind?

Such a claim defies both common sense and human nature. It's just the way it is. People often resist change and then embrace it.

No. Thats not what I really want to claim. What I am claiming is that no one hated it with a passion unmatched by mankind, and then Apple did it and they suddenly thought it was awesomeness just because Apple did it. Can you dispute that? I'll answer that for you: No. You cannot.

Look, as I already mentioned, you are one of the more knowledgeable posters here. But then you go agreeing with stuff like this and play dumb like you don't know what was being implied, and that credibility goes out the window.
 
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Under pressure? Can't wait to see what the iphone 7 looks like. This iphone 6 is poor. It's literally just a big iphone 5 with bumped up specs. Apple is really loosing it's mind here. I'll still be purchasing the iPhone 6 Friday but we need a Truly revolutionary phone now. Furthermore, a watch that does everything my phone does but starts at $349? Are you crazy? Again, I'll be buying the product as a collection but that's just ridiculous.

I personally was reminded of the iphone 1 design. Except for being bigger and thinner with newer internals.
 
There is no watch with current battery tech and a modicum of functionality that will give more than a day between charges. The only other option would be for apple to produce a much more limited device with less functionality (to make it last longer) or to make it of use only when you exercise, so battery life is less of an issue (then you can include more power hungry functions like GPS). So, no, its no a poor battery life at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-Drive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_quartz

There are models from Casio and Citizen that provide GPS and satellite / atomic clock radios in them. It's not only possible today, and has been for several years, but the Steve Jobs Apple was used to doing things that were considered "impossible" at the time (ie a phone with no buttons and a computer that fits in the palm of your hand). This is not an engineering impossibility. It is a marketing decision.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-Drive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_quartz

There are models from Casio and Citizen that provide GPS and satellite / atomic clock radios in them. It's not only possible today, and has been for several years, but the Steve Jobs Apple was used to doing things that were considered "impossible" at the time (ie a phone with no buttons and a computer that fits in the palm of your hand). This is not an engineering impossibility. It is a marketing decision.

Wow! Did you actually READ the links you actually posted. Did you?
This is using GPS just for SYNCING TIME/Getting timezone. Not even for position tracking. Continuous position tracking takes massively more power. Simple as that.

I can't take you seriously after those links!!
 
Wow! Did you actually READ the links you actually posted. Did you?
This is using GPS just for SYNCING TIME/Getting timezone. Not even for position tracking. Continuous position tracking takes massively more power. Simple as that.

I can't take you seriously after those links!!

The kinetic watch and eco drive are systems which power the watch for daily use, but these are not smart watches, so they provide only telling of time, along with satellite radio communication for clock accuracy.

As far as a *smart watch* with long battery life offering gps position tracking? Pebble offers a watch with a 10 day battery life. This seems like a reasonable time for a watch to work without charge to me.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ple-Watch-rival-with-10-day-battery-life.html

This is not to say that its features equal that of the iWatch, but I simply don't believe that Apple couldn't engineer a watch which would go a week on a charge. Steve Jobs would have demanded it.
 
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