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Ivy Bridge Processors Launching as Early as April 8?

Desktop CPUs (April 8th)
Core i7-3770K $332
Core i7-3770 $294
Core i7-3770S $294
Core i7-3770T $294
Core i5-3570 -
Core i5-3550 $205
Core i5-3450 $184

Desktop CPUs (May)
Core i5-3470T $184

Notebook CPUs (April 8th)
Core i7-3920QM $1,096
Core i7-3820QM $568
Core i7-3720QM $378

Notebook CPUs (TBA)
Core i5-3520M -
Core i5-3360M -
Core i5-3320M -

Ultrabook CPUs (TBA)
Core i7-3667U -
Core i5-3427U -

Hmmmmm
 
Reason to buy now

FcknFrank said:
damn, and im going to get an iMac in a couple weeks. oh well, i need it
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FF, one upside in buying now is that the machine is downgradable to 10.6.8 if you so desire. I just got my iMac and did that, I don't care for 10.7. The next gen machines most likely can't be downgraded.
 
Ryth said:
I'm sure Apple has a deal in place that gives them the processors ahead of time so they can release new laptops the day the processors are released to the public.

So my guess is April 8th if that was true.

I'll be first in line to get a MBPro 15" if it has these and the Retina Display...game over.
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Based on your theory on the implementation of Ivy Bridge in Macbook Pro at release date, when would a European release of a new Macbook Pro be? I would assume that we would see the 2012 MBP in US first.

Have Apple ever had later release date, US vs Europe?
 
Boo don't even bother these processors are too old and too slow wtf are you doing Apple wise the fk up already I had enough trying to get a decent video card into my mac pro but most of them aren't compatible. This whole hardware situation is BS, I had enough. Either do what we say or GTFO!:mad:
 
assw4 said:
I think that I will update it in 3-4 years ( maybe if I am lucky in 2 and a half years), if is a redising upcommig I will avoid the 1st gen beacuse of bugs .

now that I gave you more info ,what do you recommend me ?
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If you want to :

a. avoid redesigns
b. want a MBP 17"
c. ex-PC person who might put high value on a ExpressCard slot


You could pull the trigger in January. From latest responses looks like you would have to wait until May for an update (Even though 17" doesn't use dual cores, Apple isn't going to release "half" of its MBP line up that just needs quads and the other half a month later. )

Since you want to "hold" for 4-5 years, if the May version isn't a redesign and you spending large for the device anyway, you could possible sell that 2010 version and buy the 2011 version for a couple hundred extra.


I wouldn't be surprised if the ExpressCard disappears off the 2011 17" version and is replaced with a second TB port. (Apple might sell an ExpressCard dongle for those stuck with legacy cards. Some 3rd party vendor is very likely to pop up with one if they don't. ). Two TB ports means those that need the ExpressCard dongle (or hook to disk/storage/capture) can use one port that still leaves another for docking station (display, etc.) duties. Sure you can daisy chain but this is even more flexibility which goes to justifying value at the $2,400+ price point.

It may even loose the optical drive (Apple is out to kill off optical drives on all Macs. The 17" model might possibly get a special "legacy tech" pardon like the ExpressCard previously did, but I wouldn't count on it. A "living in previous decade" , ExpressCard/PCMIA/DVD/VGA output box hanging off TB. ). So yes, I think the 17" model it will likely get a redesign.


Without the redesign criteria, it is a coin toss. A 2011 model will be better suited for use 3-4 years from now and 5 more months is small compared to the 4 year wait for next increment. However, both the 2010 and 2011 model is substantially better than your current laptop. Both will likely be "fast enough" for what you outlined.


[ Not sure what is driving the need for the 17" model though. As a student I would expect a stronger need for something that is portable. But if mobile notes/browsing/etc. is covered by something else and don't need to move the 17" very often then can the utility. A smaller MBP and an external screen (e.g, simple but quality 3rd party Display Port 23" model) is cheaper and easier to use when at home. ]
 
deconstruct60 said:
If you want to :

[ Not sure what is driving the need for the 17" model though. As a student I would expect a stronger need for something that is portable. But if mobile notes/browsing/etc. is covered by something else and don't need to move the 17" very often then can the utility. A smaller MBP and an external screen (e.g, simple but quality 3rd party Display Port 23" model) is cheaper and easier to use when at home. ]
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well thanks a-lot , I made a decision and I will get it in january.

mostly because I need it right now , and I need to have an optical drive (I will hate to carry an external one ) ; for the express card , I will found it an use :)
 
Eidorian said:
There are plenty of thin, performance notebooks with slot optical drives that fall into the hot and loud category. The M11x is a chunky outlier.

Either Apple is going to finally release a 15" MacBook Air or someone is going to get an ultrabook out in that size. I am just perplexed as to why no one has done it before.
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Well the MacBook Air has been out for ages it seems now, and only until the decline of the notebook market overall are companies finally starting to take notice. Apple seems to be the only ones doing it right. Only after the iPhone are all phones now touchscreen only, and on and on with the iPad, and now MacBook Air. I think Apple are the only ones brave enough to completely get rid of the optical drive in light on the new Mac AppStore. Now with Microsoft adding an applications store of it's own in Windows 8 I'm sure more OEM's will follow suit.
 
Prom1 said:
I'd really love a TRUE 13" MBP

1440x900 resolution + AntiGlare screen. The entire lineup should have this by now (the AntiGlare I mean).

13"MBA Ultimate should fade into the 13" Air Pro ... give it a discrete graphics unit ... bail on Intel since AMD is gaining on "performance per watt" along with having descrete gpu on die ... something that Intel is dropping in (the new chips announced STILL only support OpenCL 1.1).

I don't miss the Optical Disk in my Air as much as I did for the first 3 mths of having it ... there was an initial shock!

I still do not believe that Intel's HD 3000/4000 is up to snuff for OSX.
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I think you lost the crowd when you said AMD was a better choice for OSX... lol..

My argument is this: If I buy a MacBook Air I want speed. Pure unadulterated speed. And this current gen i5/i7 delivers on that. In light browsing it compares to mobile non-ULV CPU's which is damn impressive. As much as I'd love better graphics I think having a higher end integrated would be better for heat and power consumption. AMD does intact have a better on-die GPU but their cpu's are atrocious. For a mobile platform a faster CPU would benefit more about 90% of the time.

Wil IVB be amazing for a GPU? Hopefully. I can play Minecraft on my MBA and Starcraft on medium-ish on my MBA 13 i5 2011 so i'm satisfied for now. IVB MBA 2012 will introduce USB 3.0 which is also something I'm looking forward to .

AMD's APU's failed imho, and they admit that they're not a competitor to Intel. I hope they return to their former glory but I don't think they should be considered for a ULV CPU distributor where Apple is concerned.

EDIT: Also, I for one love Apple's glossy screens on their laptop. I'm only one person, I understand but glare hasn't been an issue with my MBA compared to other manufacturer's (namely Asus) laptops.

My MBA 2012 wishlist consists of:

USB 3.0
1680x1080 (being realistic) or 1920x1080 with the "HiDPI" mode....
A more capable GPU but that's more dependant on IVB than anything else...
A black bezel! (It looks so sexy on the MBP models... you can say I'm jealous.)

Anyways, Happy New Year all! :)
 
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ChrisTX said:
Well the MacBook Air has been out for ages it seems now, and only until the decline of the notebook market overall are companies finally starting to take notice. Apple seems to be the only ones doing it right. Only after the iPhone are all phones now touchscreen only, and on and on with the iPad, and now MacBook Air. I think Apple are the only ones brave enough to completely get rid of the optical drive in light on the new Mac AppStore. Now with Microsoft adding an applications store of it's own in Windows 8 I'm sure more OEM's will follow suit.
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Apple has done it best in some regards, but they certainly weren't first with any of those factors.
 
Digital Skunk said:
Apple has done it best in some regards, but they certainly weren't first with any of those factors.
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Maybe not first technically, But I can't think of another notebook like the MacBook air before it. However now I can name several. Maybe the iPad wasn't the first tablet PC, but why only AFTER the rise of the iPad is just bout EVERYONE copying the look and feel of it? Same goes for the iPhone. Prior to the first iPhone the modern smartphone was the Blackberry, Nokia E61, Motorola Q. You can argue who was first, but it's very clear that Apple changed the way we communicate with mobile computing, and phones.
 
The total number of days between Monday, October 24th, 2011 and Sunday, April 8th, 2012 is 167 days.

This is equal to exactly 5 months and 15 days.

Damnit; We're not going to get an update if Ivy Bridge is released in April.
 
ChrisTX said:
Maybe not first technically, But I can't think of another notebook like the MacBook air before it. However now I can name several. Maybe the iPad wasn't the first tablet PC, but why only AFTER the rise of the iPad is just bout EVERYONE copying the look and feel of it? Same goes for the iPhone. Prior to the first iPhone the modern smartphone was the Blackberry, Nokia E61, Motorola Q. You can argue who was first, but it's very clear that Apple changed the way we communicate with mobile computing, and phones.
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Agreed! We have to watch how we make that statement, what you're saying now is correct. There were ultra thin notebooks, full touchscreen smartphones, and tablets (even Mac tablets) long before Apple came to market with its products.

Apple just did it right in most regards.
 
I also clearly prefer glossy screens

"Also, I for one love Apple's glossy screens on their laptop. I'm only one person, I understand but glare hasn't been an issue with my MBA compared to other manufacturer's (namely Asus) laptops."

I completely agree with you, and I must say that I am bit provoked when a Norwegian tech website "automatically" considers this fact as a negative (con) aspect in their evaluation of every machine that comes with a glossy screen. There are many users like me who don't have reflection issues with glossy screens, and also because of other reasons clearly prefer glossy screen instead of a matte one. IMO, many matte screens appear somewhat not as sharp as the glossy ones. The matte screens appear IMO as more "dull" (if that is the correct English word for it), and not as vivid and sharp as the glossy screens.
 
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I've been thinking.. if Apple are going to sell a 15" Macbook Air and have it for sell in April, surely it'll have Ivy Bridge?
 
Let some of us be different!

deconstruct60 said:
If you want to :

a. avoid redesigns
b. want a MBP 17"
c. ex-PC person who might put high value on a ExpressCard slot


You could pull the trigger in January. From latest responses looks like you would have to wait until May for an update (Even though 17" doesn't use dual cores, Apple isn't going to release "half" of its MBP line up that just needs quads and the other half a month later. )

Since you want to "hold" for 4-5 years, if the May version isn't a redesign and you spending large for the device anyway, you could possible sell that 2010 version and buy the 2011 version for a couple hundred extra.


I wouldn't be surprised if the ExpressCard disappears off the 2011 17" version and is replaced with a second TB port. (Apple might sell an ExpressCard dongle for those stuck with legacy cards. Some 3rd party vendor is very likely to pop up with one if they don't. ). Two TB ports means those that need the ExpressCard dongle (or hook to disk/storage/capture) can use one port that still leaves another for docking station (display, etc.) duties. Sure you can daisy chain but this is even more flexibility which goes to justifying value at the $2,400+ price point.

It may even loose the optical drive (Apple is out to kill off optical drives on all Macs. The 17" model might possibly get a special "legacy tech" pardon like the ExpressCard previously did, but I wouldn't count on it. A "living in previous decade" , ExpressCard/PCMIA/DVD/VGA output box hanging off TB. ). So yes, I think the 17" model it will likely get a redesign.


Without the redesign criteria, it is a coin toss. A 2011 model will be better suited for use 3-4 years from now and 5 more months is small compared to the 4 year wait for next increment. However, both the 2010 and 2011 model is substantially better than your current laptop. Both will likely be "fast enough" for what you outlined.


[ Not sure what is driving the need for the 17" model though. As a student I would expect a stronger need for something that is portable. But if mobile notes/browsing/etc. is covered by something else and don't need to move the 17" very often then can the utility. A smaller MBP and an external screen (e.g, simple but quality 3rd party Display Port 23" model) is cheaper and easier to use when at home. ]
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Where do you get the idea that a 17" MacBook Pro is not portable. I've used my 17" PowerBooks & MacBook Pro for years & never realized that it was not portable. Part of this may be when I carried a Mac 9500/9600 clone witha a 15" ViewSonic LCD display, KeyTronic extended keyboard & Kensington TurboMouse. All of that add to the 50-55 lb range. Probably more when the case was added in plus any customer files carried. Back then I did 75% of my work out. Now I have a 17" laptop that you say is too big to be a portable.

To me a 13" model is too small to be a laptop portable, more of a touch screen size. A 15" is a cute size for reading emails, but still too small to work on. A 17" is really too small, but without going the iMac portable route it is the biggest that Apple makes. People that use 17" laptops want a screen that is big enough to be useful while still small enough to carry or they just do not want to carry the nicer sized iMac or Mac Mini with a 20- 30" display.

The thing here that never seems to change is that most people that do any talking assumes that everyone else has the same opinions that they have or that they are wrong & not informed. Thus in reality a 11" PowerBook is the ideal size, or it could be the 13" or 15" or 17" or even something larger. Does that make them wrong if they want or need something larger or smaller than what you like & seem to say is the way to go or be wrong.

We need to start the new year off with an understanding that many Mac & non Mac Users will still think different. Does that make them wrong?
 
ChrisTX said:
Well the MacBook Air has been out for ages it seems now, and only until the decline of the notebook market overall are companies finally starting to take notice. Apple seems to be the only ones doing it right. Only after the iPhone are all phones now touchscreen only, and on and on with the iPad, and now MacBook Air. I think Apple are the only ones brave enough to completely get rid of the optical drive in light on the new Mac AppStore. Now with Microsoft adding an applications store of it's own in Windows 8 I'm sure more OEM's will follow suit.
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The MacBook Air did not really catch on until Intel made much better processors for it that Apple would use. Also rather than being priced higher than the MacBook Pro the price has been dropped putting it at the low end of the Mac portables. Thus it is priced more now where its hardware level puts it. So it took Apple a few years to "get it right," so to speak.

I use a MacBook Pro because of its 17" model is useable only because of its operating system. Not because of it too thin to include what it needs to meet my needs. I could purchase a 15" HP laptop & have a numeric keypad included. With my Mac even my 17" model requires a separate extended keyboard. to include this very minimum requirement for many laptop users. A dvd drive while not used by many is still needed by many. Unlike those that say it has to be kept or that it needs to go I believe that this should be an option of the original purchaser. I still use mine while traveling & when installing much new software. On the other hand I've purchased the 2nd hard drive adapter for internal use in my 17" MacBook Pro. This will allow me to have it the way I need or want it. I was looking to have 2 750 GB or larger hard drives installed in my 17" MacBook Pro, but so far I haven't taken the case back apart again. I do have a 750 GB hybrid drive that should get installed when we return home next week.

Just remember Apple's getting it right is only a matter of degrees & only then for some.
 
The silver gray bezel looks more correct

Zudeo said:
I think you lost the crowd when you said AMD was a better choice for OSX... lol..

My argument is this: If I buy a MacBook Air I want speed. Pure unadulterated speed. And this current gen i5/i7 delivers on that. In light browsing it compares to mobile non-ULV CPU's which is damn impressive. As much as I'd love better graphics I think having a higher end integrated would be better for heat and power consumption. AMD does intact have a better on-die GPU but their cpu's are atrocious. For a mobile platform a faster CPU would benefit more about 90% of the time.

Wil IVB be amazing for a GPU? Hopefully. I can play Minecraft on my MBA and Starcraft on medium-ish on my MBA 13 i5 2011 so i'm satisfied for now. IVB MBA 2012 will introduce USB 3.0 which is also something I'm looking forward to .

AMD's APU's failed imho, and they admit that they're not a competitor to Intel. I hope they return to their former glory but I don't think they should be considered for a ULV CPU distributor where Apple is concerned.

EDIT: Also, I for one love Apple's glossy screens on their laptop. I'm only one person, I understand but glare hasn't been an issue with my MBA compared to other manufacturer's (namely Asus) laptops.

My MBA 2012 wishlist consists of:

USB 3.0
1680x1080 (being realistic) or 1920x1080 with the "HiDPI" mode....
A more capable GPU but that's more dependant on IVB than anything else...
A black bezel! (It looks so sexy on the MBP models... you can say I'm jealous.)

Anyways, Happy New Year all! :)
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I have always thought that the aluminum bezel of my matte screened 17" MacBook Pro looks better than the black glass bezel of the mirrored glossy screened models.

USB 3 would be nice for a Mac product. Macs need to stay in with the popular but also have the faster but less popular ThunderBolt & FireWire. I haven't even gone looking for USB 3 drives but I already have 2. But at least they also work FW800.

My 17" Mac laptops, both PowerBook & Mac Book Pro have 1920 X 1200 resolution. For most work it is really too small for use. Because you are talking about a much smaller screen there needs to be a way to easily make the object sizes correct even at these higher resolutions. But unlike so any here i want the aspect ratio to stay at the 16:10 that was common for working computer displays not the 10% smaller 16:9 ratio screens that are designed around video viewing on TVs. Or what I call TV resolutions. With the extra stuff that they put in Excel 2011, I lost 2 lines of file display. I had 1 extra line before, now I am one line short. On your 16:9 screens I'd be another 12 lines short.

Higher resolution is usually better, having more interface choices, aka USB 3, is usually better, while having a black or an aluminum bezels are a matter of personal preference. Like I do not like my black keys on my MacBook Pro as well as the gray keys before or the white keys of the Mac extended keyboard, but I learn to live it because it's still the same thing, just a different color.

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mortenandersen said:
"Also, I for one love Apple's glossy screens on their laptop. I'm only one person, I understand but glare hasn't been an issue with my MBA compared to other manufacturer's (namely Asus) laptops."

I completely agree with you, and I must say that I am bit provoked when a Norwegian tech website "automatically" considers this fact as a negative (con) aspect in their evaluation of every machine that comes with a glossy screen. There are many users like me who don't have reflection issues with glossy screens, and also because of other reasons clearly prefer glossy screen instead of a matte one. IMO, many matte screens appear somewhat not as sharp as the glossy ones. The matte screens appear IMO as more "dull" (if that is the correct English word for it), and not as vivid and sharp as the glossy screens.
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I like matte screens better than glossy screens. But this is not a choice for many. It would be hard to downgrade an item like a laptop because it does not have a matte screen when no one makes a matte screen model. As most people are using a matte or glossy screened display because that is what came with their computer. There are many like you that likes a glossy screen or like me that likes a matte screen. That means we go out of our way to get the screen that we want. But many times we have to compromise on the level of computer that we can purchase to get that choice. I for one believe that this shold be a universal choice. Why should either of us have to compromise. After all it is our choice that we are trying to make.
 
heisetax said:
My 17" Mac laptops, both PowerBook & Mac Book Pro have 1920 X 1200 resolution. For most work it is really too small for use. Because you are talking about a much smaller screen there needs to be a way to easily make the object sizes correct even at these higher resolutions. But unlike so any here i want the aspect ratio to stay at the 16:10 that was common for working computer displays not the 10% smaller 16:9 ratio screens that are designed around video viewing on TVs. Or what I call TV resolutions. With the extra stuff that they put in Excel 2011, I lost 2 lines of file display. I had 1 extra line before, now I am one line short. On your 16:9 screens I'd be another 12 lines short.
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My mistake. I very much prefer the 14x9 resolution of my MBA. When I wrote that I forgot that the 2011 MBA was 16:10 :p Do I wish it was a lot higher? Definitely. But I doubt Apple would use 1920x12 on the next MBA.
 
heisetax said:
Like I do not like my black keys on my MacBook Pro as well as the gray keys before or the white keys of the Mac extended keyboard, but I learn to live it because it's still the same thing, just a different color.
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Just out of curiosity, what colour would YOU prefer? After all, you did just rule out the three most basic monochromatic options: black, grey, and white.

Maybe simply a different SHADE of the aforementioned options?

While the previous "grey" non-chicklet keys were more metallic grey, perhaps a GREY grey (as in a "plastic grey") would be nice, yeah? With the modern key style? I think that'd match nicely - although I'm cool with black, grey, and white as well. ;)

Peace!
 
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