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iWork 08 and Academic Papers

I am a graduate student in the divinity school at Wake Forest University. Last semester was my first semester with a Mac. We receive lectures from professors in either Word or Powerpoint format. I was able to successfully load all of these files properly in iWork 08. Also, in some of our study groups we use revision tracking to track who added what to a study guide or lecture. That loaded and displayed correctly. Then I added my own revisions, exported the file as a word file, and loaded it in word. All of the changes displayed correctly. For my last test, I converted my papers to iWork, made a few changes to test footnotes, etc. and exported to a word file. Again, all the formatting was correct in the word file.

Now, none of these files have graphics or tables in them. They just do not get used much in divinity school.

I think you will do just fine with Pages. I would at least try it for your first semester since there is a new version of Office coming out in August and the current version has to run under Rosetta on Intel Macs (in other words, it's slow.) If you run into problems, you can definitely use NeoOffice, which is free. But I was really impressed with the tests I ran using iWork '08.

Hope this is helpful.
 
My lecturers generally want printed copies so haven't had much experience with them, however the files they host are quite often .pdfs and I have uploaded pdfs. See both attachments, first is lecturer created pdfs in WebCt and the second is a pdf i've uploaded.

Thanks for your help. I think I'm going to go with iWork 08 and have NeoOffice as a backup. I'll try it out for the first semester, and if things don't work out, I can always buy Office 08 (assuming it's ready by Q1:rolleyes:). iWork is really a good deal for us students ($40), so even if it doesn't work out, it isn't as big of an investment as buying Office ($150-$200, since we don't know the pricing for 08).
 
You did a maths assignment in Pages, What did you use to write the equations?
As much as don't like word and its equation editor I like the integration so I can quickly edit them on whatever machine I am on.

Useful little article I just found for using Pages with mathematical notations. Certainly not for quick, note-taking use unless you're going to learn LaTeX math syntax by heart but it'll sure be useful for papers, homework, and such.

http://www.uoregon.edu/~noeckel/Pages.html
 
Useful little article I just found for using Pages with mathematical notations. Certainly not for quick, note-taking use unless you're going to learn LaTeX math syntax by heart but it'll sure be useful for papers, homework, and such.

http://www.uoregon.edu/~noeckel/Pages.html

Cheers for that, i'm just trying to learn LaTeX anyway. Doesn't solve the problem of being able to edit it on any machine. But it is a step in the right direction.
 
Thankfully iWork 08 does all I need for WP/DTP/Presentation/Spreadsheet and I have already trashed my Office 2004 .... :) happy days.

Good bye for ever (hopefully !!) Mr Gates ... :) (you are as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit)
 
Cheers for that, i'm just trying to learn LaTeX anyway. Doesn't solve the problem of being able to edit it on any machine. But it is a step in the right direction.

I love LaTeX now I'm used to it. What are you using for TeX on the Mac? I'm waiting for my new MP to arrive next week and will be making the switch from MiKTeX and WinEdt on Windows. So far I've been looking at TexShop (http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/).

PS - Sorry for semi-rant about BlackBoard above - just re-read it and it was a bit OT! You can probably tell BB annoys me at the best of times... ;)
 
I love LaTeX now I'm used to it. What are you using for TeX on the Mac? I'm waiting for my new MP to arrive next week and will be making the switch from MiKTeX and WinEdt on Windows. So far I've been looking at TexShop (http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/).

PS - Sorry for semi-rant about BlackBoard above - just re-read it and it was a bit OT! You can probably tell BB annoys me at the best of times... ;)

I'm still haven't found a favourite, using quite a few different programs to se which one fits me best as well as learning the basics. MacTex comes with a lot of programs inside it including Texshop and others.
 
To be honest the latest version of iWork will be sufficient enough for me to use instead of MS office, the only 3 apps in office i used are now included with iwork, and also they are done apple style, i can certainly say i won't be getting office 08
 
Really

It is coming in Q1 next year now, and Office really isn't that slow even under rosetta.

Really? Mate I just want to smash my laptop I get so frustrated with it. Any Word document of decent length containing some images and it slows to a crawl (admittedly my MB isn't the best)... I've taken to doing the writing on Mac Word then taking the documents to school to add the images (no slowdown on a rubbish university Dell desktop). I think I've persuaded my supervisor to buy us iWork cos he has exactly the same thing on his MBP. And don't get me started on mac Powerpoint. Drag an image, wait for the fans to kick in, wait a few seconds, hooray the image has moved.

It's been a long weekend. Powerpoint has broken me. Still 2 days till the presentation so maybe I'll get it done;)
 
If they insist on files in Office format then they are a) nimrods and b) probably going to blame any formatting problems on your choice of software even if you are using Office for Mac.

Ah, now that made me smile. I've made it a personal policy to gently resist requests to provide Word files to anyone, and for the most part, I've succeeded -- if only because for the most part the requester doesn't really need them, they just don't know what else will do. That other thing is a PDF file of course. Dealing with some people (especially teachers, who often like to assume the role of Lord and Master over their students) can be difficult. But still, I encourage sending the PDF first. I find, in the end, hardly anyone objects.
 
Really? Mate I just want to smash my laptop I get so frustrated with it. Any Word document of decent length containing some images and it slows to a crawl (admittedly my MB isn't the best)... I've taken to doing the writing on Mac Word then taking the documents to school to add the images (no slowdown on a rubbish university Dell desktop). I think I've persuaded my supervisor to buy us iWork cos he has exactly the same thing on his MBP. And don't get me started on mac Powerpoint. Drag an image, wait for the fans to kick in, wait a few seconds, hooray the image has moved.

It's been a long weekend. Powerpoint has broken me. Still 2 days till the presentation so maybe I'll get it done;)


Yeah check out this front page article from a little while ago.

It seems to run fine on my iMac but it might be a 2GB vs 1 GB thing. You could always use Keynote for your presentation by downloading the iWork trial
 
Yay, TeX people! :D I just started learning LaTeX this summer after Word forbade me from saving my last conference paper as I was editing the bibliography (which I was doing by hand...:eek:).

@tobytoby: as for editing TeX, I won't be typesetting formulae, so I'm opting to use Scrivener with MultiMarkDown syntax, which outputs a .tex file when the time comes for printing. As for directly editing LaTeX, TeXshop is alright but TextMate offers a ton of convenience features... if you're going to be typing a lot it's worth the investment (which is steep for a text editor but this *is* the Mac platform after all :rolleyes:)

Back to the subject of iWork vs Office... when I had to make a choice years ago I chose Office 04 just to ensure 100% compatibility, but I eventually became so fed up with Word that I've now hopefully abandoned it, at least for my writing. To the OP, so long as the Office docs you send or receive aren't too complicated, iWork should be able to handle it. One showstopper is if you get Excel documents with macros, as those won't work. I'm sure other with more experience with iWork can relay what does and doesn't convert properly.
 
ive just about decided im going to get iwork 08 but i have a simple question for pages. how do you make a paragraph double spaced and what is the point of the different formats shown like "report" etc.?
 
ive just about decided im going to get iwork 08 but i have a simple question for pages. how do you make a paragraph double spaced and what is the point of the different formats shown like "report" etc.?

All of this formatting is controlled in the Inspector. You should poke around in there to see all of what Pages can do.

The templates are pre-styled starting points. You don't need to use them, but eventually you probably will want to create some templates of your own. This is a very powerful feature of Pages.
 
To the OP, you said you need a good word processor and presentation utility, go iWork. Keynote and Pages have worked so well and I get many comments after I do a Keynote presentation. If you're sending files electronically (ie, your papers) and not printing them, you may be a little bit concerned when you convert papers to .doc format since some features may not load right. I only use Office so that I can verify that it converted from Pages correctly.
 
I would go with iWork because it looks nice and then use neooffice if you need real office compatibility.

Also instead of sending docs around to people who don't need to edit them anyway send PDFs.
 
iWork because Office 07 is Windows only, now if you're comparing Office 08, well it hasn't been released yet ;).
 
Obviously a better school than yours which doesn't enforce the use of Microsoft office.

As already said simple documents are capable of being exported but as you build up the document to be more complex then you will run into issues. This is something that even crops up between different versions of Office.
Yeah, if they are that retarded I would just type it in textedit and send it as rtf/txt ;D
 
Out of curiosity, do you use Blackboard or WebCT in the UK? Those programs are very, very prevalent in US higher education. They are meant for online clases more than anything, but still, they present an obstacle for Mac users.
We used WebCT but only to tell what you thought about the course afterward. It sucked and I never remembered my login or cared.

(swedish university)

I used LaTeX mostly and sent PDFs. But then I where reading computer science or whatever it's called. (But the school was lame and Windows based so it's not like we where forced to use tex.)
 
Yeah, if they are that retarded I would just type it in textedit and send it as rtf/txt ;D

Unless they need to edit it its far better to send it as a PDF, (you can export from any Mac application that prints from the print screen).
 
iWork because Office 07 is Windows only, now if you're comparing Office 08, well it hasn't been released yet ;).

Yes, it's going to be a long and difficult road if you try to use Office 07 in Tiger or Leopard.:p
 
i am a highschool student needing a good word processor, presentation program etc. for school. which should i get?

iWork '08 in my opinion is definitely worth it. With the addition of Numbers '08 its a complete home office suite. Plus its only $79!
 
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