Yep, Steve Jobs really screwed up when he started that ideology in Apple. He mistook the understanding required to use files, with the complexity of using a filesystem. Users want the ability to organise files in hierarchical structures - for most, they just don't want to learn about concepts like different file types (png, jpeg, tiff, bmp and on and on), permissions etc.
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Yep, Steve Jobs really screwed up when he started that ideology in Apple. He mistook the understanding required to use files, with the complexity of using a filesystem. Users want the ability to organise files in hierarchical structures - for most, they just don't want to learn about concepts like different file types (png, jpeg, tiff, bmp and on and on), permissions etc.
A little off topic, but I use iWork in iCloud all the time. It's very convenient. I too like to have a local copy for backup and project management like many commenting.
Is there a way to automatically sync iCloud files to your osx machine? Like iDisk of old? How is everyone backing up ? Do you just save a copy and then resave when a change is made ? This part is very cumbersome.
Is there a way to automatically sync iCloud files to your osx machine? Like iDisk of old? How is everyone backing up ? Do you just save a copy and then resave when a change is made ? This part is very cumbersome.
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Riiiight. "Jobs Screwed Up" "Apple Made a Mistake" blah blah blah. Meanwhile, I don't see Apple going out of business, or floundering like Microsoft, or continually introducing and then abandoning failed products like Google. Would really like to see some of these people saying these things run Apple and then see how fast the company tanks.
Riiiight. "Jobs Screwed Up" "Apple Made a Mistake" blah blah blah. Meanwhile, I don't see Apple going out of business, or floundering like Microsoft, or continually introducing and then abandoning failed products like Google. Would really like to see some of these people saying these things run Apple and then see how fast the company tanks.
It is directly accessible. If I want to open a Pages file, I use Pages. If I want to open a Numbers file, I use Numbers. If I want a PDF, I use iBooks.
What's so hard to get?
If I want to share the file, I open the app and file, and share it. I don't need dropbox.
For me, iCloud is very well integrated into the OS that Dropbox, Google Drive, and OneDrive seem too cumbersome. My ability to do things with my iDevice and Mac is much quicker and streamlined with iCloud.
Those who don't like iCloud, either 1) haven't used it across devices to see its potential or 2) don't have a need for it.
That’s exactly my point: your files are spread across the apps you use to manipulate them. Imagine I need the budget file for projectX of 2011. I have no idea if it was made in Excel, Numbers or if somebody sent it to me as a PDF. With iOS/iCloud, I need to open each app and see if the file is in there. With Dropbox, I just browse to Projects/X/2012 and there it is. And then I decide if I want to view it in Preview, or edit it in the tool that’s best suited for my current task.
The tool used to create or last edit the file is a technical aspect that is irrelevant. My budget file is all i’m interested in. I would feel very uncomfortable dropping all my existing files in a flat iCloud list. What’s more: there’s not even an easy way to do it.
Makes sense, then.
You wouldn't happen to frequent ZDnet, would you?
Your school has Macs as well? :O
It is a quick way to save documents if you're going to go all-in with iWork, I agree with that.
Edited: Use spotlight to find the file. It opens the program its stored in. Simple.
But it's ok to do another step with Google?
And why is it ok to use Microsoft proprietary formats?
But it's ok to do another step with Google?
And why is it ok to use Microsoft proprietary formats?
I have to admit, my idea of throwing GDocs in there was bad.
But Microsoft's .docx, .xls, and .ppt are what many programs are able to open up. Less so with .pages, .numbers, and .keynote.
Using this kind of logic means we should continue using Microsoft proprietary formats until the end of time. I don't know about you, but that strikes me as a silly reason.
I would argue that governments especially should be avoiding proprietary formats, whether that's Microsoft, Apple, or Google.
What format would you suggest, then?
Edit: For the record, I'm in favor of the "if it works" theory.
my issue with iWork for the web is security. the selling point, log in to a guest computer and work, is lost when i have to use my apple ID. that ID is attached to too many things, iTunes, my phone, my computer, to use for a guest computer.
we should be able to log in with a 'user' account and work, which can be turned off using the apple ID.
we should be able to log in with a 'user' account and work, which can be turned off using the apple ID.
I'm not completely "for" any of them. I'm against the position that we should use Microsoft proprietary formats "just because".
Your response implies mistakes require extreme negative effects in order to be classified as mistakes.
Because that would require me having to remember to sync my iPhone and iPad every day or at least weekly. I was really bad about remembering to do that before iCloud backups, and lost some data.
What would be neat is if my iOS devices could just backup to a Time Capsule or AirPort Extreme with external drive. I remember that was rumored a couple years ago.
I have tried this with Pages on my iPad and it doesnt work. Theres no other way than to open each app and hunt the file down manually.
^^^This
They are: Surface. Windows Phone. Windows Vista. Windows 8. Remember Zune?
Flounder: "to proceed or act clumsily or ineffectually"
Sounds like MS to me...
Windows Phone has shown continual sales growth. Windows 8 is continuing to grow as well. Surface was, well, a work in progress. Zune was a mistake.
Floundering? Not really.
