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Jaguar in August?

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CNet also provides information about Jaguar's release:

The new version, code-named Jaguar and officially known as Mac OS X 10.2, is now expected to ship in early August, barring unforeseen difficulties, said sources familiar with Apple's product strategy.

Jaguar appears to sport a "toned down" Aqua interface... as reported by Railhead Design and ThinkSecret
 
Article Link
https://www.macrumors.com/2002/07/04/jaguar-in-august/
So, there you go, folks. Jaguar is 10.2, according to the passage. It won't be called 10.3, 10.5 or XI. It will apparently be 10.2.

I just want a faster interface. On my G3 (man, I am too used to G3s in the iBooks) Firewire iBook the computer takes around 2 minutes to start up with 10.1.5, and another 2 minutes for OS 9 to load. On the Cube at home OS X and OS 9 load in about 90 seconds flat. (And don't tell me 33MHz makes that much of a difference.)
 
I'd like to know what people think of the new Aqua style interface. Personally when I first saw the toned down version I was very disappointed and unhappy with it. Now of course it is a trade-off, less complicated interface=faster acting system.

I think Apple should allow the user to customize the UI for high-end or low-end Aqua so people like me that like the original and don't mind the slow-down can change back to the way it was in 10.1.5.

What do you think?
 
update cost?

I just have to wonder if they will be offering it for either 0$ or $20 for people that purchased systems this year, or that came with 10.1.4 or newer. Or since Jaguar was announced. I still have the OS coupons that came with my new TiBook, so I am covered there. If they are going to offer it for free, I will have to get to wherever they are doing that. If only at Apple stores, then I will get my mother to go there on that day (she lives under 10 minutes from one). Otherwise, I have a snowball's chance in hell of getting to the Apple store while they still have the free copies.
 
free?

god i hope so..but i highly doubt it..Apple programmers gotta eat something!..seriously Apple can't afford to pay coders for many months to just give away a major OS update..i wish it was the case, but its not..i'm sure they will charge something for it..hopefully no more than 20 bux though.
 
Re: update cost?

Originally posted by AlphaTech
I just have to wonder if they will be offering it for either 0$ or $20 for people that purchased systems this year, or that came with 10.1.4 or newer. Or since Jaguar was announced. I still have the OS coupons that came with my new TiBook, so I am covered there. If they are going to offer it for free, I will have to get to wherever they are doing that. If only at Apple stores, then I will get my mother to go there on that day (she lives under 10 minutes from one). Otherwise, I have a snowball's chance in hell of getting to the Apple store while they still have the free copies.
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Please don't take this personally :)

Why do 90% of Mac users expect free OS upgrades for life, and moan about a $20 upgrade fee? 10.1 was a massive improvement over 10.0 so $20 seemed a bargain to me.

I sent off my coupon, I waited 2 weeks and I still got my upgrade pack before the people who were driving about looking for free versions. And I got a bonus Project Builder CD too.

I dread to think what it cost Apple to develop Jaguar, the least we can do is help them recoup the cost so that they do 10.3, 10.4 etc etc
 
yuck!

did anyone see the 10.2 screenshot on Railhead? it looks awful(opinion)! they changed buttons and stuff and now they look very 2D. they look like the buttons that come with Flash. i much prefer the look of 10.1. they probably did focus-group tests with Windows users in hopes to make it more Windows-like to attract PC converts. it looks like XP. gross.
 
You asked for it Blackcat...

I am NOT the one saying that we should get "free OS upgrades for life" just reduced updates for people that purchased new systems since the next OS was announced. Apple gave out free copies of 10.1 to people that made it in time to get them (minus the developers cd). They include software update coupons with both the retail OS boxes AND with the computers. The purpose of those IS to allow you to pay less for a future update.

For the record, I went out and purchased 9 when it first came out (first day it was available, I have the t-shirts to proove it too). I purchased 10.1 (full retail of ~$130) and got my new TiBook a couple of weeks after those were announced. I have paid Apple for both computers and enough OS's over the years to want a reduced cost update. They HAVE offered either free, or $20 cd, updates in the past, so they should continue with it in the future. That is one of the selling points I make to people when they are trying to decide between a Mac and peecee.. the cost of OS updates in the future. With the coupons, you get the next update for $20 (on cd) where m$ charges you at least 5x-10x that for an update (if you are lucky).

Go jump in the pool to put out those flames, you are really starting to smoke the place up. :eek: :D
 
Originally posted by TeraRWM
I think Apple should allow the user to customize the UI for high-end or low-end Aqua so people like me that like the original and don't mind the slow-down can change back to the way it was in 10.1.5.

What do you think?
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Dude, I don't think the refinements constitute a "low-end" Aqua. If anything, the various updates implement a lot of new snazziness (subpixel rendering, for starters) ... Apple is just doing what Apple does best -- it's simplifying the interface, making it more elegant, based on a year and a half of user feedback. The 10.2 evolution of the interface *IS* "high-end," if you need to characterize it as such. I mean, what, you were hoping for lens flares, sparkles and spoilers?
 
>you were hoping for lens flares, sparkles and spoilers?
What a day to bring that up, huh? :D

Personally, I like the way OS X is designed. And, from what I have personally seen via the pictures about Jaguar I have a few quick comments:
(1) Go brushed metal!
(2) I like the old, pulsing blue buttons. That lighter blue kind of turns me off.
(3) Revive the spring-loaded folders from OS 9!
(4) Surprise me with some new/rare features.
 
cost of Jaguar

Its stupid to say that Apple have spent a fortune developing 10.2 and that we should pay for this.

We already have paid for it!

Previous and current versions (10.0.x and 10.1.x) were incomplete and anyone who has bought it already has effectively paid up front to support the continuing development of 10.2

Selling these versions that are not 100% optimised has helped with the cash flow.

10.2 will be the full and 'finished' version. Of course there will be 10.3 or something else in the future with even more bells and whistles and I think it would be fair for Apple to charge for that.

Back on topic though..... I hope it does come out in early August - thats only 4 weeks away!!!!

:D
 
Re: yuck!

Originally posted by tjwett
did anyone see the 10.2 screenshot on Railhead? it looks awful(opinion)! they changed buttons and stuff and now they look very 2D. they look like the buttons that come with Flash. i much prefer the look of 10.1. they probably did focus-group tests with Windows users in hopes to make it more Windows-like to attract PC converts. it looks like XP. gross.
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I guess I am one of the few that think it looks better, more crisp...I do like the current look but 10.2 seems to look more crisp to me.
 
Sounds great, but what do you think they mean by "barring unforeseen difficulties?"

Bill

Hey that's 100 Posts! Too bad I don't have anything really compelling say...
 
Originally posted by billiam0878
Sounds great, but what do you think they mean by "barring unforeseen difficulties?"

Bill
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That' means that it should be out in Aug unless something unforeseen pops up to delay it. Ummm... a natural disaster destorying the fabrication plant where the discs are made is one example. ;)


Lethal
 
I love the new look of Aqua. It looks more professional, in my opinion. And it sure seems to follow the look of their computers (it reminds me of the Quicksilver--maybe a new case isn't on it's way)
 
I don't see a lot of difference between the old and new Aquas. The blues are a bit bluer, the buttons are a bit flatter. What's the big deal? It isn't the end of the world, is it? XP my arse. I only wish Aqua were that colorful and appealing. :)
 
the Cnet article

nobody commented on the cnet article, how about them analysts?

they are compareing Apples product cycles to MS, wich is a mistake I think, Apple is a hardware company. The OS allows it to sell its hardware.

Yes it does need to recover Jag development costs, but 10.1 was not a finished product, and the updates came as soon as they were ready, not when they needed a revenue boost.

Apple and OSX is such a good deal compared to the other OS company, I can't understand why that alone does not sell more machines, for the average user the G4's are pretty snappy. Why be forever enslaved to redmond?

Quartz extreme putting a load on old graphics cards? I was under the impression that if you have the hardware to support it, QE will run, if not, 10.1.5 graphics system will have to suffice.

I like the new Aqua, but is it aqua anymore, really? Actually i don't care, as long as my themes work, I changes the look a long time ago, and continue to tweak it. Don't like the curved edge drawer on Mail though.
 
I like the refined look of Aqua. Definetly looks cleaner, crisper and more professional. It immediatly caught my eye (in a good way).

I'm looking forward to this update and can understand if they charge for it. 10.1 is a great OS and 10.2 will be even better and worth whatever Apple charges (within a reasonable amount of course).
 
I didn't like the new AQUA interface at first until I went into REALbasic and made a window just like the example AQUA jaguar window at railhead and I find the new interface more crisp and more "Glassly" looking (is that a word?). The things I don't like are the new buttons, Yuck! and the new checkboxes/radio buttons look to much like glass and are ulgy! The new tabs and sliders look better though.


All the interface needs in jaguar is shadowing under the buttons/checkboxes/radio buttons like in MacOS X 10.1 that give it a more appealing look. (I REALLY HOPE THE NEW INTERFACE IS OPTIONAL!) (If you don't know what I mean by shadowing under the interface elements go to the railhead design website and compare the MacOS X jaguar example window with buttons/radio buttons/checkboxes in MacOS X 10.1)
 
finally, a real build of OSX, I can't wait. If its not perfect asthetically I will be pleased to run it still.
 
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