iPad Jailbreak progress

[bufffilm]

in this day and age, when it takes less than 1 minute to google something to get an answer, it's pathetic how lazy some people are.

and no, i don't take pleasure in pointing that out. but sometimes, it needs to be said. when i was a student, there was no internet and doing research for school papers and reports required going to the nearest library.

so yeah, when someone can't be bothered to spend a few minutes looking up an answer on their own, when you can do it without having to get out of your chair, without doing anything more than typing a few words, it's sad. it's more than sad.

Jeez, that was a fun post!

 

[dgstan]

in this day and age, when it takes less than 1 minute to google something to get an answer, it's pathetic how lazy some people are.

and no, i don't take pleasure in pointing that out. but sometimes, it needs to be said. when i was a student, there was no internet and doing research for school papers and reports required going to the nearest library.

so yeah, when someone can't be bothered to spend a few minutes looking up an answer on their own, when you can do it without having to get out of your chair, without doing anything more than typing a few words, it's sad. it's more than sad.

Perhaps he wanted to have a meaningful debate with you (it happens from time to time). In order to intelligently discuss the subject, he needs to know exactly what legislation you're referring to. Sure he could research the subject and then respond to you, at which you'd might reply "THAT'S NOT THE BILL I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!1"

 

[bufffilm]

Perhaps he wanted to have a meaningful debate with you (it happens from time to time). In order to intelligently discuss the subject, he needs to know exactly what legislation you're referring to. Sure he could research the subject and then respond to you, at which you'd might reply "THAT'S NOT THE BILL I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!1"

there is no other bill. it was in the news several months ago.

there's no ambiguity on this one. it's pretty much cut-n-dried.

 

[TC25]

you need to get out more. and stop being lazy and google it on your own.

keywords: jailbreak legal legislation

it's easy.

Was someone chatting with you? i wasn't.

It's got nothing to do with being lazy. It has to do with caring about it since i knew mcsenerd didn't know what he was talking about and would step in it when he tried to prove it. Thanks for playing thread police.

 

[porcupine8]

my guess is that it's not something he can stop others from making money off of.

would you buy a jailbreak for $99? i guarantee that somebody who has another idea on how to make money off of a jailbreak would spend the $99 on it.

just a guess anyway.

But their idea to make money off of it probably wouldn't work so well if nobody was jailbreaking because it cost $99. Unless there's a way to make money off it other than selling tweaks?

 

[Hyper-X]

I'm not a legal expert however I'm wondering if charging for jailbreaks would incur legal actions (i.e. Apple). This isn't a rule as it is just a thought but when someone "charges" for software, I can't help but feel that the entity now becomes obligated to support customers within a given term/timeframe. If that's a reasonable assumption then would it make sense for the hack teams to go that route?

It's absolutely reasonable to think that part of the major driving force to keep JB's free is to keep the result of using the JB at a "at your own risk" level and avoid any responsibility for when things don't go smoothly.

Soliciting donations/gifts are some ways around this for obvious reasons.

 

[stirlingsheep]

I'm not a legal expert however I'm wondering if charging for jailbreaks would incur legal actions (i.e. Apple). This isn't a rule as it is just a thought but when someone "charges" for software, I can't help but feel that the entity now becomes obligated to support customers within a given term/timeframe. If that's a reasonable assumption then would it make sense for the hack teams to go that route?

It's absolutely reasonable to think that part of the major driving force to keep JB's free is to keep the result of using the JB at a "at your own risk" level and avoid any responsibility for when things don't go smoothly.

Soliciting donations/gifts are some ways around this for obvious reasons.

I think if they charged then there would be, essentially JB is taking someone elses intellectual property. For example, taking an NBA 2K?? disk, unpacking it, changing the uniforms, repacking it, you've changed some of the features, but essentially the source code is the same, so you're reselling someone elses IP, in this case one of the biggest companies in the world. The donations route is probably the best.

 

[TC25]

I think if they charged then there would be, essentially JB is taking someone elses intellectual property. For example, taking an NBA 2K?? disk, unpacking it, changing the uniforms, repacking it, you've changed some of the features, but essentially the source code is the same, so you're reselling someone elses IP, in this case one of the biggest companies in the world. The donations route is probably the best.

Why do you think they take a lot of time to develop a jb that does not use Apple code? They are not using, and therefore would not be selling, Apple's IP.

 

[gigaguy]

If they charged, then they are possibly liable to fix hardware problems, can you imagine the complaints they'd get? Totally different ball game. Bigger fear for me is if apple keeps paying hackers $250,000 or more for exploits found, as has been reported/rumored. Who wouldn't want large cash for their work?
Easy for apple with all their cash, or give them an 'intern' job.

 

[BFizzzle]

FYI


seems that @pimskeks said it works (in regards to getting the payload to the device i take it)


so just wrapping up the gui im sure is left? just a week id bet!

 

[Sgt.makaveli]

A week?? No way. To good to be true

Pod2g tweeted 2 hours ago:

ETA for 5.1 JB: no clue! We're going to set pieces of the puzzle together this week. We could have issues... Could be 1 month maybe 2...
Maybe never.

 

[bufffilm]

If they charged, then they are possibly liable to fix hardware problems, can you imagine the complaints they'd get?

not really a problem. spell out the usage terms and make the user click 'I agree to these terms and waive all other rights...' before they make payment.

 

[BFizzzle]

A week?? No way. To good to be true

Pod2g tweeted 2 hours ago:

ETA for 5.1 JB: no clue! We're going to set pieces of the puzzle together this week. We could have issues... Could be 1 month maybe 2...
Maybe never.

i was just going off of how long it took them to ROP the payload on the 4s once they had all the exploits..

and he tweeted after i posted that

 

[ANinjaPeanut]

Pod2G tweeted that he has a new poll on his blog; your vote is important!
http://pod2g-ios.blogspot.fr/
I don't know what to vote tbh :s

 

[JohnDoe98]

Pod2G tweeted that he has a new poll on his blog; your vote is important!
http://pod2g-ios.blogspot.fr/
I don't know what to vote tbh :s

Well, if you are like me, you would prefer a jb to no jb, but prefer the latest version of ios rather than run an older version of ios with a jb. Vote for him to keep his stuff for ios 6 incase it works there. It sucks that jbs are typically released right before new ios updates. I'm not complaining about the jb hackers, they do what they can. But the delay often makes it such that I am not running the jbs.

 

[batotman]

Waiting for iOS 6 would suck. That won't be out until at least October.

 

[JohnDoe98]

Waiting for iOS 6 would suck. That won't be out until at least October.

What if ios 6 is really good though? You would be happy to wait 6+ months for a jb for it? Knowing the ios 5 exploit was burned? By june the early developer previews should roll out, and we would already know if there is a chance to save the exploit. Pod2g should at least wait to see what ios 6 has in store

 

[ANinjaPeanut]

What if ios 6 is really good though? You would be happy to wait 6+ months for a jb for it? Knowing the ios 5 exploit was burned? By june the early developer previews should roll out, and we would already know if there is a chance to save the exploit. Pod2g should at least wait to see what ios 6 has in store

I've been thinking about it since he tweeted in now and you are correct; however, what is the likelihood of someone else coming across these exploits & selling them to Apple? OR what is the likelihood of Apple just finding them themselves? It's not like they employ monkeys with typewriters. Apple pay something like $250k per exploit so I can imagine that the temptation is definitely there for hackers to sell to them. I'm tempted to say wait until the keynote of iOS6 BUT I don't know when that will be (I'm not that good with timescales of Apples events)

I'm sure whatever decision he makes it will turn out alright.

 

[Frenchjay]

Waiting for iOS 6 would suck. That won't be out until at least October.

It's a 57% now for a quick release. The people have spoken!

 

[JohnDoe98]

It's a 57% now for a quick release. The people have spoken!

It was 68% earlier so the tides are changing. The final verdict isn't yet out.

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Apple pay something like $250k per exploit so I can imagine that the temptation is definitely there for hackers to sell to them.

Really? You have some sources? I'd like to read up about this.

 

[Frenchjay]

It was 68% earlier so the tides are changing. The final verdict isn't yet out.

Ruh roh! When the voting stops I think the vote will be in favour of a quicker release anyway!

 

[ECUpirate44]

Apple pay something like $250k per exploit so I can imagine that the temptation is definitely there for hackers to sell to them.

Where'd you pull that figure out of?

 

[ANinjaPeanut]

Where'd you pull that figure out of?

Can't find exactly where I read it the first time but this article has the figures http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ce-list-for-hackers-secret-software-exploits/

It's between $100k-$250k but the article I read first only stated $250k

 

[G3N0M3]

Voted for immediate realease because nobody knows when ios 6 will release nor do we know if these exploits will be fixed by then.

Also it would be very selfish of me to vote in favor of an ios 6 jailbreak that in the meantime forces people with an ipad3 to wait a whole year for a jailbreak.

Vote to release immediately.

 

[fierp]

I voted for release ASAP. Chances are that most, if not all exploits, will be fixed by the time iOS6 comes out. I don't mind waiting, but I don't think waiting will help.