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January iMacs?

Well, kaneda, do what you must, but take it from someone that knows, DO NOT let them force winXP on you. If you must do it, go with 2000.

A cheaper option, would for you to build a system yourself. They give too few options for what you end up paying. I have a system (yes a pc along with my 2 Mac's) that is just as good, if not better then what they list and cost me much less. I have a 1.4GHz AMD Thunderbird processor, motherboard with an ATA100 RAID controller integrated running 2 40GB drives (striping/RAID 0), SoundBlaster Audigy gamer card, 768MB in PC2100 RAM. Also a 16x dvd-rom, NIC (network interface card will cost you extra), sweet Logitech keyboard (navigator I believe) and optical mouse. I also have a 20GB drive installed for now, until I remove it. I also went with an ATI Radeon 8500 video card (64MB DDR RAM) that has a dvd decoder built in. If you go with the video card they list, you have to spend extra $$ to get the hardware decoder. All said and done, I spent less then the $2200 or so that they want for a similar system.

It might not be a bad idea to add a pc to your network at home, but to toss Apple just because they do not announce or release what you want as soon as you want it is childish.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to get a G5 system next year, and I most likely will shortly after they hit the market. But I am not going to give up on Apple if they do not annouce them in January. I will patiently wait until they do come out, and then fight the crouds to get mine (climbing over people if I have to). I will be without a desktop Mac in a couple of short months, since I have a buyer already lined up for my current one. I will 'suffer' with my Ti 500 PowerBook and 'black ops' pc until then.
 
Re: Re:G3 and G4

Originally posted by AlphaTech
The previous post with an iMac (no speed given) compared to a G4 (didn't post which revision or if it has a PCI video card or is one of the AGP models) leads me to suspect that there is something wrong with the G4. Either that, or utilities have never been run, and virtual memory is active. Those two things have been known to severly criple Mac's (of any generation). I have seen a G4 (any generation) go from ok speeds to blazing fast after turning off the virtual memory, and running our full set of utilities on it. The same can almost be said of any Mac that was made from the iMac forward.
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Alright man,.. go read a while if you think you can turn of virtual memory in OS X..

what an idiot!
 
iMac picture

It is a very well done picture, but doesn't look right. The foot shown would make it too unstable. As soon as you go to add cables, they'd hang off the side and float in mid-air in front of your face. No, Apple would at minimum, put the connectors on the back side. Or possibly on the underside like they did with the cube (making them awkward to reach though). Also, the small foot would result in the iMac falling over every time you went to put the CD in the top, which you'd have to awkwardly reach up to insert or remove. You'd have to hold the machine to keep from tipping it over - not what I'd expect from Apple's industrial design group.

If Apple were to make a flat screen iMac, my guess is that it would sit lower on the desk, have a side CD/DVD slot. Maybe they would put the connectors on the side, allowing you to lay it flat for some purposes. Also, it probably wouldn't need to be as thick as the one shown, maybe the thickness of an iBook or a little thicker for ventination space and standard hard drive.
 
hey butt munch... IF you read the posts, never was OS X mentioned as the operating system, at least not by me.

OS X 10.1.1 is much faster and more stable on just about any system that is listed as being able to run it. You have to make sure you meet the requirements though, or your performance and stability will suffer.

Use common sense (foreign concept to you I am sure) and maintain the health of your computer. People run for extended periods and never run any kind of utility on the computer and then bash Apple when it starts slowing down, or crashes more often. A little bit of care, and maintenance, goes a long way.

If you knew ANYTHING about computers, you would know that to be true.
 
sorry to be late but...

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
Originally posted by igordi
im sure my use of teh phrase barely function will bother some people since we all use these apps on our g3s but this is what i mean: try watching a movie in full screen with quicktime in osx (and i dont mean in present mode thats the pro version feature). you cant do it on a g3. a g4 can handle this just fine.
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DUDE!!! what kind of G3 are you using!!!?? obviously you are not!

I've got a Pismo 500 (G3), 640MB RAM, running latest v. OS X. I am able to watch all kinds of quicktime movies in full screen, and in 'present movie' mode... what is the deal..

Now, granted, on my rev. A iMac 233 i have some sticky GUI problems, but this is like the first CONSUMER G3 that EVER came out!!! it's gonna be slower!

I am extremely happy with my powerbook 500. It is as fast as I need it to be realistically.. I can do everything smooth and don't sit around and wait like you talk about.. remember.. Apple is still using the G3 because it is a great chip! It has brought them very far. We're probably gonna start seeing 1Ghz G3 chips soon (if the G4 iMac doesn't arrive) but this will be a VERY fast consumer machine!

get past your 333 and realize Apple has come a long way with Moto and the G3 since then\
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and the point of that was....

Crap Processor (AMD and Alpha are the ONLY good windows processor)

Ugly (Well thats my opinion)

And worst, it runs WINDOWS! THE MOST SUCKY OS EVER!)

Guy
 
large order of LCDs for january imacs?

i assume the large order of rumored lcds are for the new imac, but what else could they be for?

now i have seen more reports outside of the usual sources talking about the lcd order from apple

i usually hear stuff from here and the register and before i used to hear a lot of good and accurate rumors from appleinsider.com
 
also

what gives with the sometimes big anouncements for apple products in january right after everybody has finished spending their money from the christmas season?

when i used to sell computers at office depot i noticed that the pc makers came out with their best stuff right after thanksgiving and people started buying equipment in droves through the christmas season

but after christmas, no sales, nada, zero

but we were still good for selling quicken and ledger notepads because that's all anybody bought in january

i remember telling people in a past discussion about how apple has a pretty bad reputation (where i live in northern california) as a financially sound business and i came up with often quoted examples from books, the press, and my own observations

but announcements after the big chirstmas season is also a dumb thing to add to the list of stupid financial blunders
 
How about the businesses that have a budget refresh as of January 1? The company I work for does that, instead of mid-year.

Saying that announcing new products in January is a bad idea is like saying doing the same thing in July is a bad idea. After all, it is just a couple of weeks after July 4th, where people spend money on the celebrations.

I know many people that save up for months, if not longer, in order to buy a computer in either January or July, just after the new stuff is released.

I bet you would say that if Apple moved the anouncements to early to the middle of December that would also be 'bad'
 
actually mid december would be better

in that context, almost anytime would be better than january

i like the fact that moscone center is just blocks from where i attented university and graduate business school but without trying to give you a business 101 lesson, go to goolge.com and do a search on fiscal year vs. calendar year

every time i open my mouth when it comes to business topics, i end up sounding like a hard core right wing fanatic but i am actually very liberal and i am a minority for god's sake and the local golf club where i live will not let anyone in who is not white (kind of sounds like that club where tiger holds the record) they would let my wife in because she is white but happens to be the wrong gender and if you are male, not only did you have to have an ancestor who came from the mayflower, but judging from the average age of the club, the members look like they actually came over from the mayflower

ok, i will shut up since my man al gore got sent home and da other guy won

and try find a computer that has been sold in january, then i will show you barry bond's 74th home run ball

oh, i forgot, you rich kids got christmas money ;-)

but baseball and harvard mba case studies and civil rights have absolutely nothing to do with this forum so i will get back to the topic we can all agree on

pending the rumored order of lcd panels and arn mentioning that there may not be 15 inch stand alone lcds (only a rumor i presume) does it look like the january imacs are a safe bet?

any ideas?
 
jef i like your style here. we are all beginning to assume the lcd imacs are coming out but i think it is a good idea to try to come up with other things that may be a result of a large order of lcds by apple. also couldnt the lcd imac end up coming out in march if they are just buying the lcds now?

as far as christmas sales go, i think jef has a point. im sure we can come up with a lot of reasons why someone would buy in january but lets face it there are a lot fo sales in december due to christmas and apple should try to cash in on it. especially with something like an lcd imac. the only thing i can think of is that "things" werent ready to be sold in mass by december. so here is another question how many big announcements has apple made in december? are big announcements pretty random as far as time of year which probably means apple releases things whenevr they are finished or do big things get announced get anounced more at certain macworlds (sf?). im sure most of you will be able to answer this.
 
December computer sales

Well, I don't know about anyone else here, but if Apple released new products in, say, November to cash in on December sales. I wouldn't buy any. I couldn't. There is no way with Christmas coming up, that I would be able to spend the money on a new computer. Of course, that's for someone like me who generally has to get himself a computer, as opposed to someone who gets one as a Christmas gift. I personally don't know of anyone, immediate friends and family, that ever got or bought a computer for someone for Christmas. Everyone I know who got one as a present got one as a birthday or graduation gift.

So, I personally have no problem with Apple's January announcements. I imagine that I'm not alone there either.

Also, Apple is good at building "hype" for a new product, and generally likes to have something to feed the masses at Macworld and such. It keeps the Mac fanatics anxiously awaiting Steve Job's keynote address. It makes the release of products more of an event rather than just another Christmas announcement. There is a strategy there and for Mac geeks like me (us?), it works VERY well.

I know what you mean when you ask about the wisdom of not cashing in on the December spending spree. Does everyone really think it would be so much better for Apple to release an end of the year product? How many people here buy new hardware at the end of the year?
 
EEsh! Here's the dirt:

1: The difference between G3 and G4 IS minimal, Apple has worked "limiters" into much of the OS and many programs to make the G4 look faster. I.E. programs are set up to querry for Altivec before setting their parsing and packeting.

2: The reason IDVD doesn't work on G3's is precisely that: Apple wants you working on a NEW machine for what they see as a "Pro" activity.

3: Speed differential is WAY more dependant on system bus speed and device I/O speed than anything else.

4: Apollo G4 makes G5 a myth for at least 6 months.

5: Given the above, How could you get people to buy the Pro models if the Consumer models had any balls?
 
THE GREAT ROTATING MARKET

first i had my mac setup with all my scsi peripherals then when i switched to a usb only mac, the converters would not work so i had to buy usb peripherals and when i buy a firewire and usb mac, i am sure i will go for the firewire storage instead of the once state of the art usb storage solution and the ipod will only work with firewire so i can't use it with my revision a ibook

there seems to be no end to this built in obsolescence and the old stuff really was no that much slower on most tasks so i am not suprised what you say

constantly buying new gear makes this field go round and round and keeps me employed
 
year end vx january

Anyone remember this thing Apple came out with.. it was close to the end of the year. it's being talked about still...

i think it was called the ipod??????

man people.. what is more likely to be bought for christmas, a whole computer system, or a cool toy to go with that computer system.. (yes, only a firewire mac)..

also, we just got news of the combo drive Ti2.. is this not an end of year announcement in time for christmas??? so now, you can buy a new toy, and a whole new pro system for christmas....

the reason for the first of the year announcements, i don't see why this hasn't been mentioned.. NEW MONEY!!! marketting ain't free people. marketting budgets allow and disallow announcment timings.. come january 1, apple has new money to spend on our cool new toys.. and since we all know it is coming.. (it happens every year) we should be saving now so we can drule only long enough for MR. UPS to get to our door!

 
christmas ipod

now when i first saw the ipod, i thought i would much rather have a computer than this stupid little thing which didn't even have a color screen

but as we as a group warmed up to it, the ipod seemed to be the perfect christmas gift and i will admit, i wanted one more than a computer since i already have three perfectly working models and two parts machines from clients i could get running if i only got off my butt and fixed them

i know almost 150 million people don't have a computer so the last thing i "need" is another computer but an ipod for christmas is the perfect gift

at the store where they sell macs near where i live, it is the most sold out item they have ever encountered in 20 years and they sold 10 sight unsold, presumably for christmas

the digital hub device started off to a great start and if apple hits more home runs like the ipod, then they may not need to expand computer share of market over five percent and could increase cash reserves and stock valuation just on digital devices alone...pda, cell phone, camera, ipod, etc
 
Re: christmas ipod

Originally posted by jefhatfield
the ipod seemed to be the perfect christmas gift and i will admit, i wanted one more than a computer since i already have three perfectly working models
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Are you saying you want us to buy you an iPod for Christmas???

 
Pass the hat........

Hey, let's take up a collection. just post your Visa #'s and access data and I'll be more than happy to buy an ipod for Jef..............Heh. Just kiddin, a little e-social darwinism.
 
yeah

i will take that ipod and i live close to both of you guys so i can track you down with my mac radar ( i only have to look for those apple stickers on the back of a mac user's car)

that thing is so much sexier in person than in the pictures which do it no justice

unfortunately, my original round ibook is one of those that didn't come with the firewire port...i just have the one usb port

even though i wish apple came out with the G5 before christmas and also the lcd imac, my guess is that the ipod gave apple millions for christmas

the ipod is so cool
 
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