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Nor does OLED have to cause migraines and eye strain.

People probably get migraine and eye strains as a result of that infrared beam flashing into your face constantly while you look at your phone.

I don’t care if you can’t see it. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t effect you.
I’ll never buy a phone that does this. I mean honestly doesn’t alarms and flags go off in people’s heads? It’s creepy. It’s probably some gov mind control
 
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Apple have only themselves to blame if Samsung are palming off sub-standard OLED displays.

How on earth Apple reached a position were they are solely reliant on their biggest competitor for such a key component is beyond me. It’s bad management pure and simple.

I’ve said for years that Apple should develop and produce their own components.

Have you looked at Apple’s market cap lately? Or their share of profits in the phone industry. Yeah, real bad management.

It’s a horrific idea to try and make all of the components on your own. Manufacturing is incredibly complex and you also lose out on the flexibility to choose among different suppliers. The problem Apple’s scale and how many phones they sell. There just aren’t enough companies in the world to supply Apple with what it needs. But you can see them diversifying away from Samsung when possible, like for OLEDs, for CPUs, with partnerships with other companies.
 
The iPhone X officially flopped? By what measure? Its notchy design spawned an entire generation of Android clones, much to my dismay as someone who also appreciates Android hardware for its differences from iPhones.

I had an X and I don’t think Apple got the best OLED displays Samsung is capable of making. I don’t know if it was Apple’s specifications at fault or something Samsung did, but the pwm flicker did my eyes in. And I saw some ugly variances in display color temperature and quality among different X’s. Owning the refined S9+, I know OLED quality doesn’t have to be that varied anymore. Every S9+ I’ve seen so far has been uniformly excellent and without the weird flaws I noticed when the S8’s were first released. Nor does OLED have to cause migraines and eye strain.

I don’t plan to get one, but I do hope the next generation of IPhones get some spectacular displays that truly show off the best that their respective technologies are capable of.

And even though I personally didn’t get along with it, nor the cost, I find it hard to believe the X flopped. I think people are just holding onto their phones longer. A lot of people I talked to don’t want to give up their 6 and 6s models because it means giving up the headphone jack. Those are excellent phones and with new batteries in them, many owners I chatted with seem quite happy.
On the one hand you defend it’s not a flop, then proceed to provide personal experience why it flopped for you.
Conflicting comments.
 
It’s sad that the iPhone X doesn’t receive the appreciation by buyers that it deserves. It’s a truly amazing iPhone!
But then again I’m glad that it flopped, hopefully forcing Apple to bring that ridiculous price down again!!!


I wouldn’t say it’s “amazing”. It’s good phone but by no means amazing and groundbreaking
 
The iPhone X officially flopped? By what measure? Its notchy design spawned an entire generation of Android clones, much to my dismay as someone who also appreciates Android hardware for its differences from iPhones.

I had an X and I don’t think Apple got the best OLED displays Samsung is capable of making. I don’t know if it was Apple’s specifications at fault or something Samsung did, but the pwm flicker did my eyes in. And I saw some ugly variances in display color temperature and quality among different X’s. Owning the refined S9+, I know OLED quality doesn’t have to be that varied anymore. Every S9+ I’ve seen so far has been uniformly excellent and without the weird flaws I noticed when the S8’s were first released. Nor does OLED have to cause migraines and eye strain.

I don’t plan to get one, but I do hope the next generation of IPhones get some spectacular displays that truly show off the best that their respective technologies are capable of.

And even though I personally didn’t get along with it, nor the cost, I find it hard to believe the X flopped. I think people are just holding onto their phones longer. A lot of people I talked to don’t want to give up their 6 and 6s models because it means giving up the headphone jack. Those are excellent phones and with new batteries in them, many owners I chatted with seem quite happy.
I think the OLED uniformity from Apple may have to do with the fact they had ordered tons of screens it happens on all iPhones and on Macs aswell. S9 screen is top notch though.
 
On the one hand you defend it’s not a flop, then proceed to provide personal experience why it flopped for you.
Conflicting comments.
No conflict at all. And it didn’t flop for me. I was very impressed that it did NOT feel like a usual first generation attempt. I thought it was polished enough. My husband still has his and is pleased with it. It just wasn’t the right choice for my needs. A phone not working out for me personally, or even not selling to a bunch of my friends does not equate to it being a flop for everyone in general.
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The essential phone had the notch first. So don’t tell lies bro.
Nothing I said is a lie. The new batch of androids that bear notches have notches that look absolutely nothing like the tiny little bloop on the Essential phone and very much like the wide notch on the iPhone X. It’s not a matter of who is first, but who is most influential in the market. The Essential is barely known outside of the world of tech enthusiasts and therefore has very little power to inspire emulation and adoption on the scale that Apple does.
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People probably get migraine and eye strains as a result of that infrared beam flashing into your face constantly while you look at your phone.

I don’t care if you can’t see it. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t effect you.
I’ll never buy a phone that does this. I mean honestly doesn’t alarms and flags go off in people’s heads? It’s creepy. It’s probably some gov mind control
I definitely do have concerns about that infrared beam mainly because there are no studies done on this particular application of infrared tech to provide enough data to assure it is safe for the eyes. I did experience progressively worsening pain from the IR beam used in the Samsung iris scanner and therefore won’t use that feature to unlock my S9+. However the beams from the iPhone are supposed to be more diffused.

However, pwm display flicker is known to cause the symptoms I and other forum members experienced. And the Pixel 2 has a similar display that irritated the eyes and gave headaches to a forum friend of mine. So I can’t confidently attribute any of the discomfort I experienced to the dot projector of the IPhone X.
 
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I believe Apple is hoping that the 6.1 LCD iPhone will gain some traction given that the iPhone X is priced considerably higher than most consumers are likely willing to spend. But the trade off with a 6.1 LCD iPhone will eliminate 3D Touch, certain camera capabilities, with an aluminum casing. But those trade-offs won’t mean anything to the average consumer.
 
It’s sad that the iPhone X doesn’t receive the appreciation by buyers that it deserves. It’s a truly amazing iPhone!
But then again I’m glad that it flopped, hopefully forcing Apple to bring that ridiculous price down again!!!
Aappreciation has nothing to do with it. It is ratger rejection based on price gouging.
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Why does a company need to raise money when they are supposed to get paid from Apple?
You would need to be able to buy raw materials and new tooling. This isnt all that uncommon of a problem in the world of business. Most business dont have 500 million laying around.
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It’s counterintuitive because few people expected the relatively poor sales of iPhone X. Back in December and January, every one of Apple’s suppliers in Taiwan and Korea had their stock prices drop after the disappointing projections.

People here still don’t understand that Apple’s reported 13% increase in revenue is below expectations. It’s +13% compared to the iPhone 7 launch. iPhone X is a 10-year refresh for Apple. It was supposed to be a Big Bang that would last for the next several quarters.

In 2017, in anticipation of iPhone X, JDI borrowed $897 million and restructured their entire company and production lines to emphasize OLED. They laid off a whole bunch of people with LCD experience.

With the 6.1” mainstream model, Apple is clearly betting on LCD again. Easy for Apple but tough on suppliers. iPhone X was supposed to cascade down to $899 which would maintain OLED demand. Instead, Apple is heading back to LCD after seeing iPhone X numbers. It’s a WTF moment for JDI.
We dont really know if they are heading back to LCD or are just building "new" low end phones with the tech. Note that this is supposedly a new variant on LCD tech so retooling will happen.

In any event id love to see Apple go back to LCD on all devices. Ive never been a big fan of OLED screens and their phony colors.
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However, pwm display flicker is known to cause the symptoms I and other forum members experienced. And the Pixel 2 has a similar display that irritated the eyes and gave headaches to a forum friend of mine. So I can’t confidently attribute any of the discomfort I experienced to the dot projector of the IPhone X.

If you are old enough to remember CRT screens i had big problems with them and the phosphorus switching. The impact was so bad that i couldnt use a PC for very long at all. If OLED instigate the same response then that is another nail in the OLED coffen. When LCD screens came out it was easy to spend hours in front of the screen.

CRT's where so bad with flicker that i could be using one for awhile and when looking away at normally lit scenes would actually see flicker. I must say CRTs really moderated my interest in computers as i just couldnt stsy in front of the screen for long.
 
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And even though I personally didn’t get along with it, nor the cost, I find it hard to believe the X flopped. I think people are just holding onto their phones longer. A lot of people I talked to don’t want to give up their 6 and 6s models because it means giving up the headphone jack. Those are excellent phones and with new batteries in them, many owners I chatted with seem quite happy.
I have the 6s and with the new battery I am completely happy with the phone. More importantly, it has the headphone jack which I use daily. When this phone no longer works for me I will buy a phone with the headphone jack. If it is the SE I would be fine with that. If Apple sells no phone with the jack I will look elsewhere. It is a deal breaker for my use cases.
 
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Biiiiig risk for JDI - raising over half a billion dollars to get an old-tech LCD line going to supply the low-end iPhone which will probably sell well below previous iPhones given i)it's missing 3D touch, dual camera, OLED yet will be a non-budget price ii)larger numbers of people are handing on to older phones (especially with low-cost battery replacements) iii) a growing number people will non want to pay this amount for a non-OLED phone.

Skip ahead a year and I think JDI will be left with a boatload of screens that no one will want as everyone wants OLED now! If they were just firing up an old line then OK, but with it costing so much, what is the point?
 
Raising capital in Japan is dirt cheap. Japan is an advanced economy unlike the other options. Glad they can do it at all.

Apple has invested in Japan Display for over 5 years. They have had the undesignated design center in Taiwan for years. Lots of talent and innovation with Japan Display. :apple:
 
Why does a company need to raise money when they are supposed to get paid from Apple?
In amongst the truckloads of irrelevant claptrap and indoctrination the kiddies are taught at school these days, the powers that be forgot to (or if you were one to doubt their benevolence, deliberately chose not to), include basic business skills.

Business 101: To sell something, you first have to make it. That costs money. You might borrow that money. You build the product. You sell that product to the entity that likes the look of it, and thus is prepared to pay for it. You then pay off your loan and all the other costs associated with making that product not covered by the loan. The little bit left is the profit that is a reward and motivator for all that time, effort and risk. You then pay tax on that bit.
 
I have the 6s and with the new battery I am completely happy with the phone. More importantly, it has the headphone jack which I use daily. When this phone no longer works for me I will buy a phone with the headphone jack. If it is the SE I would be fine with that. If Apple sells no phone with the jack I will look elsewhere. It is a deal breaker for my use cases.

Soon as I make it to the us in a few months I’m putting a new battery in my 6s plus (says down 18%) and running it till it dies. I doubt I will buy another iphone.

I do not forsee downgrading to a mini se. I hated my 5 it was so tiny. Yes, I have man hands. I know some don’t. I would prefer this 6s+ to be larger.
 
Aappreciation has nothing to do with it. It is ratger rejection based on price gouging.
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You would need to be able to buy raw materials and new tooling. This isnt all that uncommon of a problem in the world of business. Most business dont have 500 million laying around.
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We dont really know if they are heading back to LCD or are just building "new" low end phones with the tech. Note that this is supposedly a new variant on LCD tech so retooling will happen.

In any event id love to see Apple go back to LCD on all devices. Ive never been a big fan of OLED screens and their phony colors.
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If you are old enough to remember CRT screens i had big problems with them and the phosphorus switching. The impact was so bad that i couldnt use a PC for very long at all. If OLED instigate the same response then that is another nail in the OLED coffen. When LCD screens came out it was easy to spend hours in front of the screen.

CRT's where so bad with flicker that i could be using one for awhile and when looking away at normally lit scenes would actually see flicker. I must say CRTs really moderated my interest in computers as i just couldnt stsy in front of the screen for long.
Oh yes I definitely am old enough to remember those displays. Lol the good old days. The display on my Samsung S8+ and S9+ give me no problems. They're OLED so I would imagine there's some setting that mitigates the flicker problem. My iPhone 8 Plus LCD display is still the easiest on my eyes.
 
"However, the iPhone X has proven a flop"

Lol what?

Living in suburban London i have seen one iPhone 8. Everyone else seems to be using an old iPhone or iPhone X. I went out with a group of friends recently and almost everyone had an iPhone X. I’m also seeing more and more AirPods everyday.

Unless where I live is not at all representative of worldwide iPhone sales, this “iPhone X is a flop” is just next level anti-Apple press.
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All this talk about "iPhone X didn't meet sales expectations..."

I gotta ask: How did Apple think a $999 iPhone would sell?

In the years prior... current-generation iPhones started at $649 and went up to $949. Everyone has become accustomed to this pricing structure.

But then Apple throws an additional model into the mix that starts at $999.

If it was me... I wouldn't set any lofty expectations on the most expensive iPhone ever to be sold. I'd be conservative.

So again... did Apple really think the iPhone X was gonna be some hot seller as everyone says they did? Apple is usually pretty good with supply and demand... usually erring on the side of "not enough" rather than "too much"

Or "shortages" rather that "surplus"

So that's why I find it hard to believe that Apple pre-ordered a bunch of iPhone X parts and then had to cancel a portion of the order at a later date.

That's the part that bugs me.

I'll admit that I know nothing about the inner workings of Apple's supply chain. But I do know that electronic parts don't spoil. So if they had a bunch of extra OLED screens from Samsung this quarter... couldn't they use them next quarter?

Or is that the reduction that everyone is talking about? The orders in future quarters?

This isn't like ordering a bunch of fish for your restaurant and then having to throw it away because you didn't have enough customers that night.

Apple would have planned on selling the iPhone X for 12 months. I'd be shocked if they simply guessed some random number of parts to order for the entire year for an entirely new product.

I think the iPhone X’s price highlighted that many people had no idea how much an iPhone ususally costs. Someone on Quora asked why Apple had “doubled” the price of the iPhone! No one seemed to have any clue that usually the high end iPhone comes in just under $999.
 
The iPhone X officially flopped? By what measure? Its notchy design spawned an entire generation of Android clones, much to my dismay as someone who also appreciates Android hardware for its differences from iPhones.

I had an X and I don’t think Apple got the best OLED displays Samsung is capable of making. I don’t know if it was Apple’s specifications at fault or something Samsung did, but the pwm flicker did my eyes in. And I saw some ugly variances in display color temperature and quality among different X’s. Owning the refined S9+, I know OLED quality doesn’t have to be that varied anymore. Every S9+ I’ve seen so far has been uniformly excellent and without the weird flaws I noticed when the S8’s were first released. Nor does OLED have to cause migraines and eye strain.

I don’t plan to get one, but I do hope the next generation of IPhones get some spectacular displays that truly show off the best that their respective technologies are capable of.

And even though I personally didn’t get along with it, nor the cost, I find it hard to believe the X flopped. I think people are just holding onto their phones longer. A lot of people I talked to don’t want to give up their 6 and 6s models because it means giving up the headphone jack. Those are excellent phones and with new batteries in them, many owners I chatted with seem quite happy.
Yeah.. „some people say..“ is a very reliable source..
As if you saw that many iPhone X or galaxy s9+.
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All I read was the home button will be iliminated, it’s just my opinion and it’s a strange one to have I guess but if I can’t get an iPhone with a home button then my iPhone 8 better last me a while. I love the home button and Touch ID
Maybe then Apple is not the right company to buy from?
There are many androids out there for you „I like it this way, won’t try anything new“-people.
BTW i cannot stand the home button, couldn’t be happier without.
 
Congratulations to Japan Display. Hope it works out. :)

This article just smells of fishy source data - not to macrumors’ fault.

Japan display lost business due to Apple going to OLED display for 1 device oh tof 4 others in production using LCD including 1 announced new device. ?? Apple knew, Japan Display knew, and everyone in the tech industry knew Apple still has displays required for warranty purposes for 4 devices ... so why would Japan Display loose business from Apple? Why would they cut ties with this company in the first place knowing all of this?
 
This article just smells of fishy source data - not to macrumors’ fault.

Japan display lost business due to Apple going to OLED display for 1 device oh tof 4 others in production using LCD including 1 announced new device. ?? Apple knew, Japan Display knew, and everyone in the tech industry knew Apple still has displays required for warranty purposes for 4 devices ... so why would Japan Display loose business from Apple? Why would they cut ties with this company in the first place knowing all of this?

Because Sharp also supplies LCD panels to Apple.

Tianma and BOE supply the vast majority of aftermarket LCDs for iPhone. Most people who crack their display don’t visit Apple. Most people who crack their display only crack the glass lens cover. It’s trivial to laminate a new glass lens and salvage the LCD.

JDI had expected a full swing to OLED from Apple. However, Apple themselves probably didn’t expect disappointing sales of iPhone X.
 
Yeah.. „some people say..“ is a very reliable source..
As if you saw that many iPhone X or galaxy s9+.
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Maybe then Apple is not the right company to buy from?
There are many androids out there for you „I like it this way, won’t try anything new“-people.
BTW i cannot stand the home button, couldn’t be happier without.

If you read my post it says it is my opinion and I didn’t say anything about going to another phone just said I hope my 8 lasts a while, that was pretty open ended. I could deal with no button in the future if I need too. I’m sorry that my opinion does not align with yours.
 
Have you looked at Apple’s market cap lately? Or their share of profits in the phone industry. Yeah, real bad management.

It’s a horrific idea to try and make all of the components on your own. Manufacturing is incredibly complex and you also lose out on the flexibility to choose among different suppliers. The problem Apple’s scale and how many phones they sell. There just aren’t enough companies in the world to supply Apple with what it needs. But you can see them diversifying away from Samsung when possible, like for OLEDs, for CPUs, with partnerships with other companies.

Market Cap is irrelevant. Steve started the juggernaut and Cook has been coasting on that tidal wave since he took over. If Cook had invested their cash pile in good aquisitions that added to Apple’s profits their market cap could easily be double what it is now. The ROI of their cash pile has been very poor. Most of it has been sitting in government bonds earning very low interest rates.

I don’t accept that Apple has to shop around for the best components. They have the money and the expertise to do the R&D necessary to create their own best-in-class components. They don’t do it because Cook is a penny pinching risk averse bean counter who lacks any vision.
 
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