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Well, Apple will face that they can't simply do anything they want here on planet earth.
They will have to obey the rules and laws setup by nations around the world.

There are uncounable small devs that got insulted and abused by Apple, we had the same effect with Harvey Weinstein, but in this case it's digital sales rapping. It's not about getting a piece of cake, but thanks to EPIC the small devs became courageous and started to raise their voices.

It's about time for a general sideloading enforcement law.

What are you the UN ? Apple can block anyone or any country they want? In the end there will be negotiations but I seriously doubt that Apple will give in. Like I've said and countless others, Apples platform Apples rules. Don't like it move along.
 
Is that really a terrible thing though? Having to host themselves would probably mean more polished apps and less of the rip off apps and malicious apps.

There are lots of little gems from independent developers you would miss out on. It isn't just the costs of hosting that app but discoverability and marketing. You would need publishers again, publishers that don't want to take a chance on this Angry Birds thing because it doesn't play like other games already out there.
 
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I find it funny that if developers had embraced Steve’s OG vision of web apps almost every argument would be moot. It was developers disinterest that forced Apple to create the App Store. Which was embraced, and is now being vilified.

I dont believe that for a second. The AppStore was launched in 2008, just a year after the initial iPhone launch. It was likely planned all along. The APIs for such a new platform were likely still in flux, incomplete, and lacking documentation when the phone was first introduced, so they didn't open it up to 3rd party developers for a year..... but that was too quick for them to wait months to see what was going on, say oh, no one is making web apps, what should we do? Oh I know, lets publish our APIs, build an App Store, a review process, staff it all, and a developer program. Apple doesn't move quickly on decisions, their product pipeline is years deep.
 
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I find it funny that if developers had embraced Steve’s OG vision of web apps almost every argument would be moot. It was developers disinterest that forced Apple to create the App Store. Which was embraced, and is now being vilified.
I think you are forgetting about Installer.app and Cydia. They existed before Apple "created" the app store.
 
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So devs want the "right" to exist for free in the app store (no cost to consumers), and also not pay Apple on in app purchases? How on earth, then, is Apple supposed to make any money? Maybe Apple should just eliminate free and charge for every app, instead.
 
Did developers' disinterest in web apps call for a health and prudery police? Developers were asking for APIs and a way to install apps. Not for "the App Store".

most people cant distinguish they seem to think everyone wants control of the app store no we want choice to use or not use our own app store
 
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These all sound much more valid complaints to me than Epic's childish machinations to pay 0% for access to Apple's customers and establish their own store with their own draconian rules.
 
There are plenty of ways to do gambling and porn on the Internet. Big bad Apple isn’t stopping you from indulging in vice.
By the same token, it shows that Apple restrictions are pointless and useless. They do inconvenience iDevice owners though.
 
" Some developers even rely on a third-party service called iOS Reject Rescue, which helps them navigate through Apple's approval process if their app is rejected. "

This tells me the problems are more real than imagined. The fact that Japanese developers are making the complaint merely compounds this.

Agreed! From what we know of statistics and behavior, if it's being talked by this many we can probably assume that it's 4-5% probably much less that raised their voice, meaning that this is one huge ice berg.
 
I find it funny that if developers had embraced Steve’s OG vision of web apps almost every argument would be moot. It was developers disinterest that forced Apple to create the App Store. Which was embraced, and is now being vilified.
I sometimes wonder what it would be like today in an alternate universe where iPhones only had web apps. And how that would have affected iPads.
 
It all seems to come under what they perceive the intent is. For instance, you can get a role playing app approved if it is all fantasy fun and dungeons and dragons. But you can't get one approved if the existing site is known primarily as a place for sexual role play. Even if at the end of the day these are both just glorified group chats that can also be done on Discord.

Reddit is not a primary provider of porn, at least it seems that way from my own visits.
Porn is allegedly not allowed on the App Store as per its rules.

However, an app like Reddit displays porn content on many of its subreddits. I would love an explanation by Apple on why is Reddit allowed to include porn and not others.
lol, so does Safari. Should they provide a explanation why in this case as well?
 
This is rich coming from the Japanese.
I've been publishing apps for several years now.
There was a tax form that you could optionally complete and submit to Apple to request non-resident/non-tax exemption from Japan for all app sales in Japan.
It was something like 20% that Apple had to automatically deduct and handed over to Japan each month on all your sales within that country.
The tax form was only available in Japanese and could only be submitted once. (from google researching I found that it usually wasn't successful for those who submitted it)
After trying to have a go at it I gave up. I didn't get that much revenue from Japan and 20% of what I did get wasn't worth my time and effort.
Just looking now on App Store Connect I see no sign of Japanese tax options in my account. Things may have changed.
 
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Well there are still significantly more apps out there than would be possible if developers had to pay to host them themselves. Bandwidth usage isn't trivial and CDN's aren't free.
Modern CDN's charge about 2 cents to deliver a 1GB game, with no minimum (sometimes my bill is 1 cent per month) and even better pricing for high volume customers.

Assuming the game is financially viable at all, bandwidth is almost free.
 
I dont believe that for a second. The AppStore was launched in 2008, just a year after the initial iPhone launch. It was likely planned all along. The APIs for such a new platform were likely still in flux, incomplete, and lacking documentation when the phone was first introduced, so they didn't open it up to 3rd party developers for a year..... but that was too quick for them to wait months to see what was going on, say oh, no one is making web apps, what should we do? Oh I know, lets publish our APIs, build an App Store, a review process, staff it all, and a developer program. Apple doesn't move quickly on decisions, their product pipeline is years deep.
This is my believe too
 
It’s still apples infrastructure. And “inconveniencing” Idevices owners is not binary. It’s a gray area.
What's gray about it? With Apple restrictions iDevice owners are restricted to using web browser for certain activities. Without these restrictions they would have additional option of using specialized apps. Show me the gray area.
 
Well there are still significantly more apps out there than would be possible if developers had to pay to host them themselves. Bandwidth usage isn't trivial and CDN's aren't free. However, yes there is a downside and that is what content we can sell in a native app. Apple need a 16 and over gated version of the App Store so they can still protect the kids while also opening up to adult focused apps(that doesn't need to mean porn).
Apple does not help with any content delivered by the apps. They still charge for it though (subscriptions etc.)
 
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What's gray about it? With Apple restrictions iDevice owners are restricted to using web browser for certain activities. Without these restrictions they would have additional option of using specialized apps. Show me the gray area.
The grey area is that customers who buy these products have to do their homework. Example: Are people who buy a car like the civic inconvenienced because they can’t tow a full trailer ?

Apple is not forced by law to make their products act in a way that they don’t see fit. It’s up to the customer to do their homework. That’s the grey area.
 
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